Wendy Camp, Cynthia Britto, and Lisa Kreger COULD POSSIBLY have been found!!!

[Steve W.]

If those are the murder weapons (a revolver, knife, along with rope and tape), then they should still be able to find finger prints and make DNA matches, correct?

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by johnnyangel

Has it been OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED that these bodies were Wendy and the relatives?

The first news articles were saying things like the bodies were "most likely" belonging to the missing family.

The later news articles I've been reading mention Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa by name and say things like "their skeletal remains have been located".

I thought the police press conference where they displayed the crime scene photo actually confirmed that the victims shown were Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa. I'd have to go back through the articles to see if that's accurate, tho.

So right now, without going back and reading all the news articles, I don't recall if the police actually officially confirmed it but I believe it's them. The ages of the victims are right. All of the clothing found, right down to jewelry, shoes, and bags, is what all three victims were wearing at the time of their disappearance and Wendy's sister and her widower (Lisa's brother and Cynthia's step father) have gone public stating that the bodies are their loved ones.

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EDIT - Here it is:http://www.news9.com/story/22136382/sources-bodies says authorities have confirmed remains thought to be the victims were found in Pawnee County.
According to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, the case is no longer cold and is being treated as a triple-homicide.

[johnnyangel]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

The first news articles were saying things like the bodies were "most likely" belonging to the missing family.

The later news articles I've been reading mention Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa by name and say things like "their skeletal remains have been located".

I thought the police press conference where they displayed the crime scene photo actually confirmed that the victims shown were Wendy, Cynthia, and Lisa. I'd have to go back through the articles to see if that's accurate, tho.

So right now, without going back and reading all the news articles, I don't recall if the police actually officially confirmed it but I believe it's them. The ages of the victims are right. All of the clothing found, right down to jewelry, shoes, and bags, is what all three victims were wearing at the time of their disappearance and Wendy's sister and her widower (Lisa's brother and Cynthia's step father) have gone public stating that the bodies are their loved ones.

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EDIT - Here it is:http://www.news9.com/story/22136382/sources-bodies says authorities have confirmed remains thought to be the victims were found in Pawnee County.
According to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, the case is no longer cold and is being treated as a triple-homicide.

Thanks. Wasn't her ex-husband a suspect, too?

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by johnnyangel

Thanks. Wasn't her ex-husband a suspect, too?

I think they did consider him to be a suspect. IIRC, there's some discussion on the subject either here or at websleuths.

If the police/OSBI really did consider him as a serious suspect (rather than just doing the usual thing of eliminating the people closest to the victims first), then it sure looks bad for them now, since it's been revealed that the officials knew all along that Wendy's former in laws were involved in a lot of serious crimes, including a violent murder, before the family ever went missing. Why in the world would they focus on Wendy's husband, who was a normal guy with a good job, when a whole family full of known criminals who had been causing a lot of problems for Wendy should have always been at the top of their list of suspects.

[tamanshud]

Thought we would have more answers by now. Thinking of Wendy's family.

[bdog147]

I hope the Noe's go to jail for this. I guess Chad wasn't lying during that drunken stupor.

[Charlie99909]

Originally Posted by bdog147

I hope the Noe's go to jail for this. I guess Chad wasn't lying during that drunken stupor.

Except for the part about them never being found. He's a moron.

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by tamanshud

Thought we would have more answers by now. Thinking of Wendy's family.

I visited the Websleuths thread yesterday and there were no updates on the investigation there either. I didn't find any new news articles when I was looking for updates a few days ago.

Hope this just means the authorities are getting ALL their ducks in a row so there's solid evidence for this to go to trial.

[mozartpc27]

Hadn't logged on here in months before today. Imagine my surprise.

I am afraid that bringing charges is going to be harder than one might be inclined to assume. Sure, it's a stunning coincidence that the three women were found in a ditch on a property once owned by Ida Pruitt, and Grover Pruitt's story about being asked to dig the whole a week before the three disappeared, and then to fill it in a few days after, is certainly suggestive, but...

Let's say Chad was not directly involved in the murders; rather, that his role was to lure Wendy to Shamrock, and beyond that he was simply told, when asked about Wendy's disappearance, that she wouldn't be a problem for him anymore. If he didn't participate in the actual killings... or at least continues to claim he didn't... and the three women were actually shot by Ida and Beverly, and then dumped into the pre-made hole... and Ida is dead...

There's no witness. It will be Beverly's claim that she let the three off at the Wal-Mart versus the authorities' ability to prove that that didn't happen. Circumstances suggest it, but, for just one example, Beverly could claim she let them off at the Wal-Mart, and that Chad must have followed her, unbeknownst to her, and taken the women from the parking lot, then taken them to his grandmother's property and buried them. Chad can deny that, and how could you ever prove which one is telling the truth?

Unless they really did find a gun or some other piece of physical evidence that can be directly tied to Beverly Noe, I wouldn't be surprised if she was never charged.

Although, if I were a prosecutor, I might go ahead and charge her anyway; if I can put on a prima facie case, a jury might convict on less than "beyond a reasonable doubt" type evidence (though you run the risk of the judge vacating the verdict in that case).

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by mozartpc27

Although, if I were a prosecutor, I might go ahead and charge her anyway; if I can put on a prima facie case, a jury might convict on less than "beyond a reasonable doubt" type evidence (though you run the risk of the judge vacating the verdict in that case).

There's plenty of circumstantial evidence against Beverly with the abscence of a gun. The brother could testify about the large hole being dug shortly before the women disappeared, and how Ida and Beverly requested it be dug. Ida owned the property where the women were found. Beverly was the last person confirmed with the three missing women before they died. There's no logical explanation that could let her drop the three off at the Wal-Mart, to where they wind up dead and buried on her mother's property.

[Steve W.]

It's believed that a knife and part of a revolver were buried with the bodies, so I think that would provide enough physical evidence to prosecute as long as they can match the DNA found on the weapons.

[mozartpc27]

Certainly, if either the gun or the knife can be tied directly to Beverly Noe or Chad Noe, there will be an arrest. I'd be a little surprised if there were DNA from being handled left on either after 20 years of being buried, however, and tracing a 20 year old gun purchase I am sure presents quite a challenge.

Understand, I think a jury would vote to convict based on what they have. I just wonder if a judge would allow it to get past a preliminary hearing if all they have are bodies and nothing specific to tie either Beverly or Chad to the murders themselves.

[ranion]

People have certainly been convicted for less. It would be up to a jury to decide if the evidence is sufficient. Let's hope they go to trial

[TracyLynnS]

Well, it does seem that they'd have a pretty solid circumstantial case and sometimes when all the circumstances add up, the defendant is found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

But I mean, they've got Chad right there on TV saying he probably bragged about killing them while he was in one of his drunken stupors. Oh boy!

Then there's Beverly's brother Grover, or whatever his name is, being wired up by police and repeatedly sabotaging the recording device to keep people's incriminating words from being recorded, pulling the wires out of his clothes so they'd see that he was wearing a wire, and a bunch of other stupid stunts.

I don't see how any thinking person couldn't figure out that the Noes are responsible, but then we seem to have had a rash of stupid juries in a few big cases recently, so ya never know....

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by Steve W.

If those are the murder weapons (a revolver, knife, along with rope and tape), then they should still be able to find finger prints and make DNA matches, correct?

Like other people have said, the perp's DNA on the weapons (if there is any) might be too degraded, but some of that duct tape looked like it was still in pretty good condition. I wonder if they could get some finger prints off that. Seems like there have been a few cases where the bad guy's finger prints are still well preserved on the sticky side of the duct tape. That might be hard for the killers to explain away.