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Old 03-04-2009, 10:00 AM   #91
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I would think that someone who was coming off drugs would be moaning in pain rather than screaming out. And I agree that there was no evidence that Crystal was ever a drug user.

I do like when people come up with alternate theories.
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:19 PM   #92
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I would think that someone who was coming off drugs would be moaning in pain rather than screaming out. And I agree that there was no evidence that Crystal was ever a drug user.

I do like when people come up with alternate theories.
But her supposed brother posted that she was sold a bag of coke tainted with boric acid. If true, that would indicate she was a drug user, unfortunately.

I don't think it's that odd that she was partly undressed. Maybe she was half-naked because she was trying to get dressed to go to the hospital, knowing she was really ill. She couldn't finish getting dressed because she collapsed or got too weak.
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:44 PM   #93
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maybe she was ingesting the heroin nasaly, not leaving any injection marks.

also, i have been around heroin users as they quit on several occasions. there is often screaming and yelling, along with kicking.

usually when heroin users are withdrawaling they tell friends and loved ones they are just sick or have a cold.
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:11 PM   #94
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maybe she was ingesting the heroin nasaly, not leaving any injection marks.
If she was using it nasaly(sp?) for a prolonged period of time. There would be traces left in her nose and sinus passages. Also there would be evidence of damage to the septum and nasal passages. There would be blood clotting and sores. Especially with heroin which is even more coarse and irritating to the nasal passages than cocaine. Isn;t that the main reason people inject heroin to begin with. People sniff cocaine rather than inject it most of the time because it's easier to get a high if it's snorted.

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It would also indicate that she was indeed murdered and someone is getting away with that murder and perhaps several others.

I'm no narcotics expert (well maybe a joint of of a certain herb every now and then, just kidding. ) but heroin is more an east coast drug than west coast drug. Isn't it mostly coke in Los Angeles for the struggling working class, with mostly the rich using heroin? Have lived in Baltimore, it's primarily low grade heroin there, with very little crack and cocaine. Same in Philadelphia.

If Crystal was on drugs, i think coke would be the most likely drug.

It's important to keep in mind that Crystal was an exotic dancer, not a prostitute. And she was based in LA not a city like Cleveland or Detroit.

There are a lot of women who take up that profession in that area who lead clean lives and are aspiring actresses, doctors, vets, lawyers,and don't use drugs.

Her profession could give us clues on her fate, but it doesn;t necessarily mean it was the cause of her fate or that it has anything to do with how she wound up.

That being said, if Crystal was using drugs, her dealer should be very easy to find. He had to be supplying the other dancers and working in the club.

The dealer would also know when he she stopped copping from him if she was indeed giving up drugs.
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:28 PM   #95
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I would think that someone who was coming off drugs would be moaning in pain rather than screaming out. And I agree that there was no evidence that Crystal was ever a drug user.
she would also be vomitting and making sounds of vomitting. Of which there should be traces of on carpet, toilet, sink..etc.

She would also be sweating profusely and taking a substitute of some sort (alcohol, pills, sweets, hell maybe NYQUIL)

Blood curling screaming is not a usually act of someone suffering from withdrawl.

Also if she is suffering from such an extreme withdrawal reaction, it would mean she was a habitual user for at least a year.
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Blood curling screaming is not a usually act of someone suffering from withdrawl.
Thats really a case by case thing. Some folks will scream out when their body starts falling apart from a kick.


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...it would mean she was a habitual user for at least a year.
That's simply not true.


But why are we even debating this? Didn't the coroner's report declare she had no drugs or alcohol in her system?
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...it would mean she was a habitual user for at least a year.


That's simply not true.
You probably right. What i really mean to say is that i really doubt she started a drug habit 2 months ago and is just decided then to kick the habit. I have to imagine her drug habit was not a recent thing. That she was using for at least a year.

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I agree with you, but due to the potential botching of the autopsy and the badly decomposed state of the body, the possibility of the coroner's report being wrong makes the discussion somewhat worthwhile.

I'm just exploring all possibilities.

My two cents on the matter is that she was killed.
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One of those cases where too much time has passed and the killer will never be caught
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When Police mess up, they cover up.

Do we know for sure that the body that was cremated was even the right one? Obviously the autopsy had enough discrepencies to question whether it was done on the right body. From the sounds of this case I'm shocked that family and friends have not pursued legal action to re-open the case. Just because the body is gone does not mean the case is unsolvable.
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If they had determined the cause of death, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. With all due respect, you are talking out of your a**. Please take the time to watch the segment, and/or back up your statements with some kind of proof/references rather than arguing just for the sake of arguing.
nohwheregirl, cut thuissat some slack. you don't have to be so rude about it.
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Watched this episode again, one aspect of this case that has been overlooked at times is the fact that Crystal Spencer's body was found in a remote location of the house. It was not found in the type of area you would expect a person who just dropped dead would be found (i.e. middle of the floor, in bed, etc...)

That leads more to the idea that someone placed her body in that area.
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Watched this episode again, one aspect of this case that has been overlooked at times is the fact that Crystal Spencer's body was found in a remote location of the house. It was not found in the type of area you would expect a person who just dropped dead would be found (i.e. middle of the floor, in bed, etc...)

That leads more to the idea that someone placed her body in that area.
You're right about that one. I doubt Crystal sat herself down in a remote corner of her apartment and decided to die there. It's more like someone placed her there to try and hide her body to avoid it being found right away.
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nohwheregirl, cut thuissat some slack. you don't have to be so rude about it.
That post is over two years old. I sure hope he's gotten over it by now.
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wasn't she trying to become an actress also? Maybe she had become friendly (not necessarily romantically or sexually) with some faux agent or someone supposedly affiliated with the entertainment business. Maybe that person went to check on her and things got out of hand.

I have to watch this eppie again but I can kinda remember it being said that she initially came to LA to become an actress or do something in the entertainment arena but things didn't quite work out as she planned and she ended up stripping. I kinda think with her boyfriend and wanting something better, maybe she turned to someone she thought would help her get that big break she wanted from the start. I dunno...it was a thought...
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That post is over two years old. I sure hope he's gotten over it by now.
I'm sure he has. And since it's been over two years, I sure hope you have changed your attitude and don't talk to people like that anymore.
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