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Old 03-07-2004, 11:46 PM   #31
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Last season stunk, don't even bother.

Lenny was gone, Shirley was gone... no magic left. I never watch those episodes.

Lenny was GONE TOO?
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Last season stunk, don't even bother.

Lenny was gone, Shirley was gone... no magic left. I never watch those episodes.
I read the episode guide for seasons 7 and 8 and i didn't see anything about Lenny leaving. Unless the editor for the guide hasn;t seen every episode
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Lenny never left the show. Him and Squiggy were added to the opening credits after Cindy Williams left the show.
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Lenny never left the show. Him and Squiggy were added to the opening credits after Cindy Williams left the show.

I thought the were always in the opening credits?
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I thought the were always in the opening credits?
They had pictures of the cast during the opening credits but the actors names were never listed. Penny Marshall and Cindy Williams were the only 2 people to have their names in the opening credits until the last season.
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They had pictures of the cast during the opening credits but the actors names were never listed. Penny Marshall and Cindy Williams were the only 2 people to have their names in the opening credits until the last season.

I still don't understand-LOL
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Its like on the Mary Tyler Moore Show were the cast has its pictures in the opening credits but the actors names don't appear until the show goes off. On Laverne And Shirley Penny Marshall and Cindy Williams were the only 2 cast members to be billed in the opening credits. Their were pictures during the years of Lenny, Squiggy, Carmine, Frank and Edna during the opening credits but the actors names weren't listed until the closing credits.
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Its like on the Mary Tyler Moore Show were the cast has its pictures in the opening credits but the actors names don't appear until the show goes off. On Laverne And Shirley Penny Marshall and Cindy Williams were the only 2 cast members to be billed in the opening credits. Their were pictures during the years of Lenny, Squiggy, Carmine, Frank and Edna during the opening credits but the actors names weren't listed until the closing credits.
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Its like on the Mary Tyler Moore Show were the cast has its pictures in the opening credits but the actors names don't appear until the show goes off. On Laverne And Shirley Penny Marshall and Cindy Williams were the only 2 cast members to be billed in the opening credits. Their were pictures during the years of Lenny, Squiggy, Carmine, Frank and Edna during the opening credits but the actors names weren't listed until the closing credits.
I always thought that was a big ego thing. To me, its the supporting cast that makes or breaks a show - especially Lenny & Squiggy in this case...
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I always thought that was a big ego thing. To me, its the supporting cast that makes or breaks a show - especially Lenny & Squiggy in this case...

I watched the show because I was ATTRACTED to Shirley and Lenny and Squiggy were STUPID Funny. Never watched it to see Laverne
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I always thought that was a big ego thing. To me, its the supporting cast that makes or breaks a show - especially Lenny & Squiggy in this case...
It was all ego. Penny and cindy were given equal billing and I even read somewhere that they each wanted the same number of lines for each episode. Their was a lot of tension behind the scenes on that show.
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It was all ego. Penny and cindy were given equal billing and I even read somewhere that they each wanted the same number of lines for each episode. Their was a lot of tension behind the scenes on that show.
If you notice, I forget who's name appears "first" in the credits, but the "second-billed" star's name appears higher in the frame. Kind of a way to "balance" the billing, maybe??

It's funny in a sad way, but at least Penny and Cindy reconciled in real life. Just too bad the show couldn't have had a proper final episode with the cast intact.
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If you notice, I forget who's name appears "first" in the credits, but the "second-billed" star's name appears higher in the frame. Kind of a way to "balance" the billing, maybe??
Yeah, it's known in the industry as "cross-billing" and it's supposed to be equal -- a different actor's name comes first whether you read it left-to-right or top-to-bottom. Other cross-billed actors: Ted Danson and Shelley Long on "Cheers", Tyne Daly and Sharon Gless on "Cagney and Lacey" (until they simply started alternating top billing), and Eric McCormack and Debra Messing on "WIll & Grace". There are other examples as well.

As far as the supporting actors not being credited in the opening -- I doubt that was Penny and Cindy's decision. They didn't have that kind of clout in the early days of the show. If anyone made that call, it was Garry Marshall. Perhaps he wanted to simply emphasize his title stars. Or maybe the supporting cast didn't have agents who insisted on upfront billing.
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Yeah, it's known in the industry as "cross-billing" and it's supposed to be equal -- a different actor's name comes first whether you read it left-to-right or top-to-bottom. Other cross-billed actors: Ted Danson and Shelley Long on "Cheers", Tyne Daly and Sharon Gless on "Cagney and Lacey" (until they simply started alternating top billing), and Eric McCormack and Debra Messing on "WIll & Grace". There are other examples as well.

I believe that kind of billing was invented in the film industry. In the movie "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid", it was originally going to star Steve McQueen and Paul Newman. McQueen dropped out because he didn't like the idea of this kind of billing. A few years later, though, he and Newman starred in The Towering Inferno and their names were given cross-billing (at McQueen's insistence).

Back on topic, I have to agree with Dr. Thong. I think that this was a show that shouldn't have ended with "unfinished business." A great series finale with the cast from over the years (like Happy Days' finale) would have been a great finish to an otherwise mediocre final season.
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Every time I see one of those late eighth season episodes with only Penny Marshall and David L. Lander credited in the opening, I reach for the remote. They should have renamed those episodes "Laverne & Squiggy".
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