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Old 10-04-2017, 03:17 PM   #1
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As usual, when tragedy strikes, the gun haters come out like the zombies they are and try to confiscate our guns. If I thought they truly cared about people, I might listen to what they say. But all they want is to confiscate our guns so we are helpless to their take over of our country. None of the laws they put forth would have stopped any of these masS shootings. All they are are a first step in total confiscation of guns. That is their end game. Remember, the second amendment says NOTHING about hunting. It says the PEOPLE have the right to keep and bear arms, not just the government. If it does not cover modern guns, then the first amendment does not cover radio, tv or the internet. what we need is a more law abiding decent society.
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:39 PM   #2
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When's the last time you attended a meeting of your well-regulated militia?

Nukes don't kill people either.
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:35 PM   #3
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The whole gun control issue highlights that a lot of people don't know how the world works.
There are two types of people in the world; law-abiding people, and people with no regard for the law, aka criminals. Hence having stricter gun laws applies only to one of the aforementioned groups, and that group is not the one committing shootings.
There would be no gun violence at all if all guns were banned. This is completely true, but completely impractical.
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:44 PM   #4
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When's the last time you attended a meeting of your well-regulated militia?

Nukes don't kill people either.
The first part of the second amendment qualifies the second part. You cannot have an effective armed resistance to a tyrannical government or invading foreign force, without an armed populace who knows how to use their weapons. That is why the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed upon. I write this for the people who care about the constitution, not the ones who pick and choose what they care about.
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Old 10-05-2017, 07:15 PM   #5
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The whole gun control issue highlights that a lot of people don't know how the world works.
There are two types of people in the world; law-abiding people, and people with no regard for the law, aka criminals. Hence having stricter gun laws applies only to one of the aforementioned groups, and that group is not the one committing shootings.
There would be no gun violence at all if all guns were banned. This is completely true, but completely impractical.

Many things are illegal, do we throw out the laws against them simply because people break them?
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:33 PM   #6
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Many things are illegal, do we throw out the laws against them simply because people break them?
As I see it, the issue of gun violence is a bit more complicated.

For example, it's against the law to run a red light. The law cannot just be relaxed if a lot of people disobey this law because that would be a traffic safety issue. Anyone who does break the rules is subject to fines, etc. and this acts as a deterrent.

Putting extra regulations on guns or restricting where guns are permitted does not increase public safety, because normal people with guns are not a danger. Insane/unstable people with guns are the danger, and they do not think rationally, hence they will have no problem bypassing the laws. The deterrents (consequences for their actions) in place will likely not discourage them either, since they are, again, irrational.

The problem becomes how to determine who is mentally unfit to own a gun without at the same time depriving responsible people of access to a potentially life-saving tool. Gun control should be focused on keeping irresponsible people away from weapons.

Guns are designated instruments of killing, but it depends on the person behind the trigger whether it is to be used for evil or for good.
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I do not trust a government that does not trust me with a gun
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:27 PM   #8
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Many things are illegal, do we throw out the laws against them simply because people break them?
No, we don't. The law against murder is still in place, regardless of what method is used to perform that evil deed.
There are numerous things used to kill people, but the murderers are always the ones responsible, not the tools used. However, that said, I fully support thorough background checks to make sure the person buying a gun is not mentally unstable or has a criminal history or terrorist ties, etc. And I support banning military grade guns from public use, which I'm pretty sure is already done.
If there is the chance that gun control laws would possibly deter anyone from using a gun to kill someone, then I am in favor of them. I also recognize though that the problem is ultimately in people's hearts. We are all born sinners and all struggle with sin. Only God can remove it and He's done that through Jesus' death and Resurrection. We have to pray in faith and let Him save us through His substitutionary work for us.
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No, we don't. The law against murder is still in place, regardless of what method is used to perform that evil deed.
There are numerous things used to kill people, but the murderers are always the ones responsible, not the tools used. However, that said, I fully support thorough background checks to make sure the person buying a gun is not mentally unstable or has a criminal history or terrorist ties, etc. And I support banning military grade guns from public use, which I'm pretty sure is already done.
If there is the chance that gun control laws would possibly deter anyone from using a gun to kill someone, then I am in favor of them. I also recognize though that the problem is ultimately in people's hearts. We are all born sinners and all struggle with sin. Only God can remove it and He's done that through Jesus' death and Resurrection. We have to pray in faith and let Him save us through His substitutionary work for us.
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No, we don't. The law against murder is still in place, regardless of what method is used to perform that evil deed.
There are numerous things used to kill people, but the murderers are always the ones responsible, not the tools used. However, that said, I fully support thorough background checks to make sure the person buying a gun is not mentally unstable or has a criminal history or terrorist ties, etc. And I support banning military grade guns from public use, which I'm pretty sure is already done.
If there is the chance that gun control laws would possibly deter anyone from using a gun to kill someone, then I am in favor of them. I also recognize though that the problem is ultimately in people's hearts. We are all born sinners and all struggle with sin. Only God can remove it and He's done that through Jesus' death and Resurrection. We have to pray in faith and let Him save us through His substitutionary work for us.

Best post and I agree! I support gun rights but do not support gun rights for all. I don't want criminals or mentally ill people to own guns and I support background checks.
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Old 10-07-2017, 01:12 AM   #11
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I do not trust a government that does not trust me with a gun

With the "vetting" process that we have, you shouldn't trust a government that trusts anybody with a gun.
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