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Old 07-27-2017, 04:01 PM   #16
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I don't understand transgender myself but some of these comments are just hateful. Do I think they should serve? sure, why not? If we start judging people, why not judge people married several times, had kids with several people, committed crimes, etc. Transgender may seem strange to most people but I can't help but wonder if some of the hate has to do with gender identity. I'm not transgender or gay, I am a straight woman. However, I don't fit gender stereotypes at all, I always wanted to serve in the military (and did until discharged for arthritis). I prefer playing sports to watching babies (In fact I really dislike babies and avoid them), many of my hobbies are masculine etc. Yet I bet some of you would bash me because I have never wanted to be a housewife but prefer to have a different life. I've been attacked for it. Do I think the military should pay for the surgery? Nope but they shouldn't pay for Viagra either. Do I think some people use it in a different way? yep, I do think some people are not transgender but cross dressers and use it to go into a woman's area. I was reminded of that incident at Planet Fitness where a man dressed as a woman went into the women's area.
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I think transgender people should serve (along with using bathrooms and joining the either the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts) no matter what.
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Old 07-27-2017, 06:23 PM   #18
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I think transgender people should serve (along with using bathrooms and joining the either the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts) no matter what.
"No matter what"????? That is why we are in the mess we are in!
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Old 07-27-2017, 06:57 PM   #19
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"No matter what"????? That is why we are in the mess we are in!

What I mean is no matter what gender they are.
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Old 07-29-2017, 12:15 AM   #20
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"No matter what"????? That is why we are in the mess we are in!

What mess are we in? I mean, we are in a lot of mess for sure, but I genuinely want to know what kind of apparent sociopolitical problem you attribute to the transgender individuals specifically.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:13 PM   #21
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What mess are we in? I mean, we are in a lot of mess for sure, but I genuinely want to know what kind of apparent sociopolitical problem you attribute to the transgender individuals specifically.
I am not a liberal. Therefore I do not attribute "sociopolitical problem" to transformers in the military. Do not start a debate by calling someone a bigot. Bad form. I attribute the fact that if the numbers of transformers in the military are correct, they will cost 1.3 BILLION for sex change. Also they will be out of action for 1 year of their 3 year hitch recovering and then spend the rest pf their lives on expensive hormones. Lastly, do you want someone who hates themself to the point of self mutilation to have access to machine guns and hand grenades?
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One does not need to have surgery or hrt to be considered Transgender.
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Old 07-30-2017, 08:13 PM   #23
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One does not need to have surgery or hrt to be considered Transgender.
oh, yeah! Put a ribbon in your hair, call yourself Nancy and your good to shower with the girls! Sounds insensitive? How can you not be to such bizzarro nonsense? Can a white person now claim to be black? Or Eskimo? We have to wake up to the fact that the patients are now running the asylum.
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I am not a liberal. Therefore I do not attribute "sociopolitical problem" to transformers in the military. Do not start a debate by calling someone a bigot. Bad form. I attribute the fact that if the numbers of transformers in the military are correct, they will cost 1.3 BILLION for sex change. Also they will be out of action for 1 year of their 3 year hitch recovering and then spend the rest pf their lives on expensive hormones. Lastly, do you want someone who hates themself to the point of self mutilation to have access to machine guns and hand grenades?

Who called you a bigot? Stop with the persecution complex.

These figures you're presenting are absolute nonsense. But to be frank, people who want access to machine guns and hand grenades to engage in warfare for a country that doesn't even care to take care of them in the aftermath are already damaged individuals. Therefore, I really don't care to make a distinction based on their gender identification.
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Who called you a bigot? Stop with the persecution complex.

These figures you're presenting are absolute nonsense. But to be frank, people who want access to machine guns and hand grenades to engage in warfare for a country that doesn't even care to take care of them in the aftermath are already damaged individuals. Therefore, I really don't care to make a distinction based on their gender identification.
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Yeah, no surprise that you can't comprehend.
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Yeah, no surprise that you can't comprehend.
Unfortunately I do comprehend. You hate the military. You think that it should be used for social justice. Sorry, but the Military's main business is death and destruction. I want the best killers in that job. I want them to kill as many as they can, while suffering the least casualties. mentally ill people do not fit that description. There are better places for them than the military. Nobody has a right to be in the military. The military has a right to dicrominate who gets in. Period.
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Yeah, no surprise that you can't comprehend.
What's up with the insults??
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What's up with the insults??
How is that insulting?

I will tell you what is insulting. DadtheKing apparently believes he has a medical degree and can declare groups of people mentally ill. Perhaps one needs to have a good look in the mirror.
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How is that insulting?

I will tell you what is insulting. DadtheKing apparently believes he has a medical degree and can declare groups of people mentally ill. Perhaps one needs to have a good look in the mirror.
Sorry, but "doctors" say transformers suffer from a personality disorder. Whether you think you are Napoleon or a man who thinks you are a woman. Transformers hate what they see in the mirror so much, they are willing to mutilate their body to fit the image they have of themselves. That is the very definition of "mentally ill". I do not think they should be ostracized by our society. I have no prejudice against them. I just do not think them fit to carry arms in our military. I think the emperor has no clothes here. Look in the mirror yourself and ask why calling someone a bigot is a good way to win hearts and minds.
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