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Old 07-26-2017, 03:59 PM   #1
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Exclamation President Trump Bans Transgenders from Military Service

Trump Says Transgender People Will Not Be Allowed in the Military
by JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and HELENE COOPER
July 26, 2017



President Trump announced on Wednesday that the United States will no longer “accept or allow” transgender people in the United States military, saying American forces “must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory” and could not afford to accommodate them.

President Trump made the surprise declaration in a series of posts on Twitter, saying he had come to the decision after talking to generals and military experts, whom he did not name.





The sweeping policy decision was met with surprise at the Pentagon, outrage from advocacy groups and praise from social conservatives. It reverses the gradual transformation of the military under President Barack Obama, whose administration announced last year that transgender people could serve openly in the military.

President Obama’s defense secretary, Ashton B. Carter, also opened all combat roles to women and appointed the first openly gay Army secretary.





President Trump’s decision to announce a substantial policy change on Twitter raised immediate questions about how the shift would be put into effect and what would happen to openly transgender people on active duty.

The Pentagon referred questions to the White House, where several officials did not immediately respond to questions about the reasoning and timing behind President Trump’s decision.





The announcement came amid a debate on Capitol Hill over the Obama-era practice of requiring the Pentagon to pay for medical treatment related to gender transition. The dispute has unfolded as Congress considers a nearly $700 billion spending bill to fund the Pentagon.

Representative Vicky Hartzler, Republican of Missouri, has proposed an amendment that would bar the Pentagon from spending money on transition surgery or related hormone therapy, and other Republicans have pressed for similar provisions.





President Trump made the decision within a matter of days, according to a person familiar with his decision-making, based on concerns among House Republicans who were preparing to vote Wednesday on the military spending legislation and pressure from the Family Research Council, a leading Christian conservative group that had opposed the bill over spending on transgender medical costs.

It was not clear whether the president informed Defense Secretary Jim Mattis directly of his plans in advance.





The policy would affect only a small portion of the approximately 1.3 million active-duty members of the military. About 2,450 are transgender, according to a study last year by the RAND Corporation, though the estimated number of transgender service members has varied.

The study found that allowing transgender people to serve openly in the military would “have minimal impact on readiness and health care costs” for the Pentagon. It estimated that health care costs would rise $2.4 million to $8.4 million a year, representing an infinitesimal 0.04- to 0.13 percent increase in spending for active-duty service members.

Citing research into other countries that allow transgender people to serve, the study projected “little or no impact on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness or readiness” in the United States.





Officials at the Pentagon were caught off guard. They had been studying, per the orders of Mr. Mattis, how transgender troops in the military affect other service members, but not with a view toward removing transgender people from the military, several defense officials said.

In June, the administration delayed a decision on whether to allow transgender recruits to join the military. At the time, Mr. Mattis said an extra six months would give military leaders a chance to review its potential impact. Mr. Mattis’s decision to delay accepting transgender recruits for six months had been seen as a pause to “finesse” the issue, one official said, not a prelude to an outright ban.

What’s more, Mr. Mattis loathes wading into politically divisive social policy, the official said, noting that the defense secretary, who is on vacation this week, has taken pains to steer clear of President Trump’s more partisan moves, and views the American military as a unifier of a divided country.





Gay and transgender rights groups and research organizations that have worked to craft policies around the military service of transgender individuals expressed outrage at the move.

The president is creating a worse version of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’” said Aaron Belkin, the director of the Palm Center, referring to the Clinton-era policy in which gay and lesbian people could not openly serve in the military.

Mr. Belkin said that “discredited” policy had harmed readiness, and President Trump’s new one would have similar effects. “This is a shocking and ignorant attack on our military and on transgender troops who have been serving honorably and effectively for the past year,” he added.





Joshua Block, a senior staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union’s LGBT & HIV Project, called the move “an outrageous and desperate action,” and asked transgender military service members to get in touch with the organization, saying it was “examining all our options on how to fight this.

The thousands of transgender service members serving on the front lines for this country deserve better than a commander in chief who rejects their basic humanity,” Mr. Block said.





President Trump’s abrupt decision will likely end up in court; a nonprofit group that represents gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people in the military immediately vowed to sue.

We are committed to transgender service members,” the group, OutServe-SLDN, said in a statement. “We are going to fight for them as hard as they are fighting for the country. And we’re going to start by taking the fight to Donald Trump in the federal court.





Matthew F. Thorn, executive director of OutServe, said Presidnet Trump’s decision was a slap in the face of transgender service members.

We have transgender individuals who serve in elite SEAL teams, who are working in a time of war to defend our country, and now you’re going to kick them out?” Mr. Thorn said in an interview.





The move drew praise from Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, which had opposed the Pentagon spending bill over the dispute about paying for gender reassignment surgery.

On Wednesday, Mr. Perkins said he would now support the legislation, effectively sending a message to conservative Republican lawmakers that they would not pay a price with their core supporters for voting for it.

I applaud President Trump for keeping his promise to return to military priorities — and not continue the social experimentation of the Obama era that has crippled our nation’s military,” Mr. Perkins said in a statement. “The military can now focus its efforts on preparing to fight and win wars rather than being used to advance the Obama social agenda.





Mr. Carter issued a statement objecting to the decision, both for its effect on the military and on those considering joining.

To choose service members on other grounds than military qualifications is social policy and has no place in our military,” Mr. Carter said. “There are already transgender individuals who are serving capably and honorably. This action would also send the wrong signal to a younger generation thinking about military service.





And Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, condemned Mr. Trump’s sudden announcement, saying it muddied policy and that anyone who is fit to serve should be allowed to do so.

The president’s tweet this morning regarding transgender Americans in the military is yet another example of why major policy announcements should not be made via Twitter,” said Mr. McCain, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.





Senator Jack Reed, Democrat of Rhode Island and the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee, noted that Presdient Trump made his decision public on the anniversary of Harry Truman’s order desegregating the United States military. “President Trump is choosing to retreat in the march toward equality,” Mr. Reed said in a statement.

This was a divisive political move that exposes the president’s lack of faith in the professionalism of our armed forces,” Mr. Reed said, calling on President Trump to review the facts and reverse his decision. “In the land of the free and the home of the brave, every American who is brave enough to serve their country should be free to do so.

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Thank goodness. Although Trump should have done this six months ago.

People who are mentally ill don't belong in the military and have no right to be there. And taxpayers certainly shouldn't have to fund their personal fetish indulgences via expensive surgeries, nor footing the bill for breast-implants for dudes, nor lifelong hormone injections. Total, degenerate insanity that it ever came to this. Nor should female soldiers be forced to share the showers right next to some drag-queen whatzit with male genitalia. Time to pull the plug on all that twisted depravity that Obama and his sicko socialist minions imposed on the military, as well as the country at large.
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Someone who is so screwed up and hate themselves that they will mutilate their bodies are not fit to serve. PERIOD!! I feel sorry for them. but get another job. Also this keeps us taxpayers off the hook for paying for body mutilation like the kind that traitor Obama pardoned wants.
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There are over 2,000 trans Americans serving our country's armed forces, as we speak. To the 'delightful' individuals disparaging them - how dare you. If you did the slightest bit of research, you'd find that Trans individuals brains' operate exactly as the brain of their identified gender. Also, an easy way to study whether something is genetic or learned is through studying twins. In most cases, BOTH twins are transgender indicating that genetics are at least partially responsible. (http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/ar...sexuality.html)

For more reading on the subject, http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/20...nder-identity/

Even if you refuse to do even that amount of rudimentary research into a subject before bashing living, breathing people - these are Americans who chose to put their lives on the line to defend YOUR freedoms. They are not freaks, or fetishists, or perverts.

It sickens me that people are treated this way, in 2017. If you don't like the way someone else is - guess what? You don't have to. You're not them. And they can silently dislike you just as much. And frankly, I do. I loathe every last one of you whitebread elitists perched on your pedestals of white privilege, looking down on everyone else like YOU'RE somehow better. You aren't. You're much worse.

Speaking as a straight white business owner, btdubs. My parents just taught me better than some of y'all's, apparently. You're not being moral, or ethical. You're being *******s. Period.
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There are over 2,000 trans Americans serving our country's armed forces, as we speak. To the 'delightful' individuals disparaging them - how dare you. If you did the slightest bit of research, you'd find that Trans individuals brains' operate exactly as the brain of their identified gender. Also, an easy way to study whether something is genetic or learned is through studying twins. In most cases, BOTH twins are transgender indicating that genetics are at least partially responsible. (http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/ar...sexuality.html)

For more reading on the subject, http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/20...nder-identity/

Even if you refuse to do even that amount of rudimentary research into a subject before bashing living, breathing people - these are Americans who chose to put their lives on the line to defend YOUR freedoms. They are not freaks, or fetishists, or perverts.

It sickens me that people are treated this way, in 2017. If you don't like the way someone else is - guess what? You don't have to. You're not them. And they can silently dislike you just as much. And frankly, I do. I loathe every last one of you whitebread elitists perched on your pedestals of white privilege, looking down on everyone else like YOU'RE somehow better. You aren't. You're much worse.

Speaking as a straight white business owner, btdubs. My parents just taught me better than some of y'all's, apparently. You're not being moral, or ethical. You're being *******s. Period.


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DETROIT (ChurchMilitant.com) - Doctors and mental health professionals are speaking out against the promotion of sex changes as a legitimate therapy for children confused about their gender identity, while states are making it illegal for them to seek help with a talk therapist.

Church Militant spoke with Dr. Michelle Cretella, president of the American College of Pediatricians (ACP), who has seen the effects of transgender ideology firsthand. Cretella says "the transition-affirming protocol is child abuse."

She says it is "devastating" to learn that increasing numbers of young women are already detransitioning from a sex change they had in their teens, and they only now realize that each of them "is a woman with a scarred chest who is most likely sterile and facing a host of unknown physical and psychological risks from taking almost 10 years of daily testosterone."

The ACP published "Gender Ideology Harms Children," urging a rejection of "all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex."

"Facts — not ideology — determine reality," it asserts.

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There is always two sides to every story....so here is one to oppose yours...




My wife is a medical transcriptionist and has been for the past 25 years, she works for many psych hospitals across the country. Years ago "transgender" was being looked at with a "how to accept" approach, but today it is being proved as an "abnormality" or "psychological disorder" by many psych doctor's and mental health experts and is being treated as a "disorder" in psych hospitals.

The problem with your 'side' to this story is that you're sourcing a biased Christian rag, and I'm quoting two highly respected scientific studies by two of the best schools in the nation. It matters zero that your rag found a handful of christian doctors who are mad about transgender people.

The fact is, they're people who cannot control who they are any more than you or I can change who we are. And insulting, belittling, and assuaging their rights is the reason why so many commit suicide.

Besides which, whatever happened to being 'the light of the world'? Whatever happened to 'judge not, lest ye be judged?'

So many christians have no problem with hurting these people, even causing their deaths. Do you remember the verse about causing a brother to fall being an assurance of your own damnation? Because I do. I left the church because of hateful people who think that it is their God-given right to be judgmental. It isn't. It is your charge to LOVE your brother, and keep your mouth shut if you can't manage that. Not to attack them. Not to degrade their rights.

Honestly, this is why I say that you people are SO much worse than any LGBTQ. I've yet to meet a christian who is able to just LOVE, rather than standing in hateful judgment. If you can't follow your own book, at least realize that it makes you a Pharisee and prepare to be spewed out of the mouth of the Almighty. It's coming.

It's funny. Christians think that Christianity is failing because of sin, gays, perversion, etc.

It isn't. It's failing because you people became too political, and decided that you had to attack every other group that didn't align with you. Christians have become the most off-putting people in the world, because instead of helping you're always hating. That's it. I'd be in church today if it weren't for people like you.
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I'm not being a ******e. I was just curious, that's all.
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I'm not being a ******e. I was just curious, that's all.

Sorry! I wasn't referring to you. I was talking about the people farther up in the thread who were insulting trans people.

Curiosity is fine. Having an opinion is fine. Hurting other human beings because YOU have a problem isn't. They were being jerks, and I felt the need to call them out for it - because someone should. Evil wins when good men and women see garbage like that, and don't say anything.
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The stratospheric rates of suicide are just another example of their mental imbalance, again exemplifying why they are totally unfit for service. As if their penchant for self-mutilation isn't clue enough. Their constant health care and psychological needs are over ten times more than an average, normal servicemember in the field. And all the demented 'sensitivity' training imposed on the troops, to bow down to all this freak-show garbage and sexual deviancy is immeasurably costly.

And there's really no such thing as a sex-change. These are just castrated males wearing lipstick and dresses, and sporting an open wound that needs constant guarding against infection. They remain XY down to their very last molecular cell. Hollywood and the media are naturally in high dudgeon over all this, as they've been so busy trying to mainstream and glorify all this aberrant insanity onto the culture at large. Try as they may, they'll never mainstream their cultural perversions, except to weak-minded liberal snowflakes who greedily lap up every new descent into moral rot.
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Sorry! I wasn't referring to you. I was talking about the people farther up in the thread who were insulting trans people.

Curiosity is fine. Having an opinion is fine. Hurting other human beings because YOU have a problem isn't. They were being jerks, and I felt the need to call them out for it - because someone should. Evil wins when good men and women see garbage like that, and don't say anything.

It's fine with me.
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I know this may be off topic, but what does everybody think of everything else transgender?

Bathrooms, joining boy scouts/girl scouts, etc?
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I know this may be off topic, but what does everybody think of everything else transgender?

Bathrooms, joining boy scouts/girl scouts, etc?

It doesn't effect me...there's many unisex restrooms where I've been.

I went to a Community College that has unisex restrooms...but giving a transgender denial may hurt them worse...they already have enough pain.
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Sorry, Transformers are not fit to serve. They have a personality disorder that causes them to hate themselves as they are and want to mutilate their own bodies. I think there are plenty of jobs for which they are suited. Access to machine guns and grenades is not one of them. Besides, if you believe the liberal claptrap, they are traumatized at the thought of going to a bathroom in which their genitals qualify them for. How would they stand the stress of war? Also do not write about the transformers serving. There is not ONE surgically transformed one currently serving. After getting the operation paid for, they leave the service and stick us with the bill!!! That is a fraud in my opinion!
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