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Old 05-20-2017, 01:37 AM   #136
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It seems like in recent times, when ABC starts moving a show around it suffers in the ratings. The network has a bad habit of taking established hit shows and shuffling them all over the place. They've been doing it for years. They gamble too much on new shows by placing them in a slot that was previously occupied by a hit show. Then the hit show is tossed somewhere random where they don't fit in. When the ratings suffer ABC moves it around several times before cancelling it. Viewers do not like to search for shows. They'll lose interest and find something else to watch.
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I agree, moving Full House to Tuesday Nights competing against Rescue 911 was a GREAT Decision by abc and during the 91/92 season, FH cracked the Top 10 in the Nielsen Ratings and it finally got higher ratings than NBC's Powerhouse Sitcoms from the 80's in The Cosby Show and its spin-off A Different World along with The Golden Girls and its spin-off Empty Nest and it even got higher ratings than fellow abc sitcoms Who's the Boss? and Growing Pains which went from a Top 30 during the 90/91 season to #75 & #76 and both shows ended in the spring of '92 as well

Cosby, ADW, GG & EN dropped out of the Nielsen Ratings Top 10, but stayed in the Top 30 with Cosby and ADW in the Top 20

Even though Family Matters didn't crack the Top 10, the show did crack the Top 20 during the 90/91 Season, but it still stayed in the Top 30 until the spring of '93, but when Warner Bros. Television took over the show from LORIMAR, the show went downhill and it never recovered in the ratings

also, speaking of Who's the Boss? the 91/92 Season saw abc move the show to Saturday Nights competing against NBC's Saturday Night Juggernaut The Golden Girls and the show saw the ratings dropped BIG TIME to #76

I used to watch Empty Nest a lot. Maybe because it followed GG, but I liked GG and EN better than ABC's movies. Of course, ABC had China Beach opposite GG and EN and CB got smashed in the ratings by NBC's Saturday Night Juggernaut in Golden Girls and Empty Nest.
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I used to watch Empty Nest a lot. Maybe because it followed GG, but I liked GG and EN better than ABC's movies. Of course, ABC had China Beach opposite GG and EN and CB got smashed in the ratings by NBC's Saturday Night Juggernaut in Golden Girls and Empty Nest.

Which is funny because one poster posted in one thread about how Empty Nest was only time-slot filler, and I thought that sounded stupid. That poster has since said a lot of stupid things IMO, calling opinions "research".
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It seems like in recent times, when ABC starts moving a show around it suffers in the ratings. The network has a bad habit of taking established hit shows and shuffling them all over the place. They've been doing it for years. They gamble too much on new shows by placing them in a slot that was previously occupied by a hit show. Then the hit show is tossed somewhere random where they don't fit in. When the ratings suffer ABC moves it around several times before cancelling it. Viewers do not like to search for shows. They'll lose interest and find something else to watch.

I think they do that to boost struggling shows. They'll put a hit show with a struggling show to boost the struggling show.
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Which is funny because one poster posted in one thread about how Empty Nest was only time-slot filler, and I thought that sounded stupid. That poster has since said a lot of stupid things IMO, calling opinions "research".

Since you're talking about me, I'll give you this to think about (since my "opinions" are for the most part, stupid in your eyes). During it's first four years, Empty Nest was a Top 20 show and a Top 10 for those first three. In 1992-93, the first year that it didn't have The Golden Girls around to anchor NBC's Saturday night schedule, it ranked 48th. And the year after that, it ranked 62 in the Nielsens. Finally, in its final season in 1994-95, it was #118.
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Since you're talking about me, I'll give you this to think about (since my "opinions" are for the most part, stupid in your eyes). During it's first four years, Empty Nest was a Top 20 show and a Top 10 for those first three. In 1992-93, the first year that it didn't have The Golden Girls around to anchor NBC's Saturday night schedule, it ranked 48th. And the year after that, it ranked 62 in the Nielsens. Finally, in its final season in 1994-95, it was #118.

I wasn't talking about YOUR opinions necessarily, actually. I was talking about another poster who posts opinions as "research" and "fact".
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It seems like in recent times, when ABC starts moving a show around it suffers in the ratings. The network has a bad habit of taking established hit shows and shuffling them all over the place. They've been doing it for years. They gamble too much on new shows by placing them in a slot that was previously occupied by a hit show. Then the hit show is tossed somewhere random where they don't fit in. When the ratings suffer ABC moves it around several times before cancelling it. Viewers do not like to search for shows. They'll lose interest and find something else to watch.

I agree, let me give you one example:

Hangin' with Mr. Cooper

Following the success of Full House, Series Creator Jeff Franklin and LORIMAR Television introduced Coop and it was on a Tuesday Night

The series, set in Oakland, CA (Mark Curry's hometown), centers on NBA player-turned-substitute teacher/gym coach (and later basketball coach) Mark Cooper. Mark is a "somewhat suave" single guy with a zany personality; he always gets a few laughs from his friends. Mark's childhood friend Robin Dumars and Robin's other best friend Vanessa Russell, both female, share a rented house that they cannot afford without an additional roommate. Though the events just prior to Mark's moving in are heavily debated, he agreed to move in with Robin and Vanessa. His "bedroom" is the 'den' near the 'living' room; Robin and "Vanessa" occupy the only bedrooms in the house. Although living with women may not be easy at times, Mark does appreciate them. They often teach him a thing or two when he gets in over his head.

Early episodes of the series featured references by Robin of Mark possibly having a crush on Vanessa, though that was mostly de-emphasized. Near the end of season four, he and Vanessa became a couple. Almost as quickly as they started dating, they became engaged. Midway through the first season, Tyler Foster was introduced as Mark's annoying neighbor kid; he would become a regular character starting in season two. By the second season, Robin was phased out after Lewis's departure. Mark's two cousins from Georgia, Geneva Lee and her daughter Nicole moved into the house. Tyler quickly became the best friend of Nicole.

The very 1st season as one poster called it was the black version of Three's Company

6'6" Comedian Mark Curry who played Mr. Cooper himself teamed up with Singer/Actress Dawnn Lewis from A Different World as Robin Dumars and Actress Holly Robinson Peete from FOX's 21 Jump Street and NBC/The WB's For Your Love as Vanessa Russell

Mark Curry plays Mark Cooper – a former NBA player for the Golden State Warriors turned high school teacher and P.E. teacher for Oakbridge High School; later became interim head coach for the Oakbridge boys' basketball team, but was originally passed over for permanent coach after being offered the job by P.J. Moore in season 3; later begins dating (and then almost immediately engaged to) roommate Vanessa Russell by the end of season 4, though there are hints in season one that he is interested in her.

Holly Robinson Peete plays Vanessa Russell – Mark's roommate, who originally worked for the firm Toplyn and Toplyn, and then worked various odd jobs after quitting her job, before settling on working as an Emergency Medical Technician (which she would later be laid off from); was the daughter of rich parents, who later cut her off from her trust fund due to her extravagant spending; would later date Mark (after he successfully conspired to break up her latest relationship due to his jealousies over her boyfriend) and then be engaged to him by the end of season 4.

Dawnn Lewis played Robin Dumars – Mark's best friend since childhood, who comes up with the idea to have Mark move in with her and Vanessa in order to pay the rent; worked as a music teacher and often moonlighted as a tutor to neighborhood kids

25 years ago this fall, the series debut on abc Tuesday Nights and was a Hit as the series cracked the Nielsen Ratings Top 20 with Full House, Roseanne and Coach still in the Top 10 and not only that, but FH and Coop even got higher ratings than NBC's Quantum Leap which went head to head against FH and Coop

also, Hangin' with Mr. Cooper along with 2 other African American Sitcoms in abc's Family Matters and NBC's The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air got WAY higher ratings than Dawnn Lewis' Former Sitcom A Different World which was placed @ #71

In fact, Season 1 of Hangin' with Mr. Cooper and Season 3 of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air became not only the only African American Sitcoms to crack the Nielsen Ratings Top 20, but they became the 2 Most Watched African-American Sitcoms on Prime Time Television during the 92/93 Season

The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air was ranked #16 makin' it the #1 African-American Sitcom on Prime Time Television and Coop was ranked #17

However, when LORIMAR closed its door in 1993 after nearly 25 years, Warner Bros. Television took over the show along with Full House, Family Matters, Step By Step, Getting By (which moved to NBC from abc) and the hit TV Drama Sisters

In the fall of '93, abc decided to move Hangin' with Mr. Cooper from Tuesday Nights to TGIF on Friday Nights and Warner Bros. Television changed the show from an adult sitcom to a more family oriented show and the idea didn't work with fans

Dawnn Lewis left Coop and the folks @ Warner Bros. Television hired Saundra Quarterman as Coop's cousin Geneva Lee and Raven-Symone of The Cosby Show and That's So Raven Fame as her daughter Nicole and they would remain on the show for the rest of the series

Saundra Quarterman played Geneva Lee – Mark's cousin from Georgia, who (with her daughter Nicole) moves in with Mark and Vanessa; seemed out of place in California in early episodes; worked as a music teacher and then principal at Oakbridge High

Raven-Symoné played Nicole Lee – Mark's precocious preteen cousin, who Mark thinks of as practically a daughter and develops a friendship with next-door neighbor Tyler Foster

Marquise Wilson who had a recurring role in Season 1 as Tyler Foster would soon have a full time role for the rest of the series

Tyler Foster was Mark's next-door neighbor, who Mark saw as an annoyance in the first 2 seasons, and saw as a little brother in later episodes; was best friends with Nicole Lee after she is introduced; he had a crush on Vanessa, which was referenced to several times, but also was briefly infatuated with Geneva

Omar Gooding (the brother of Cuba Gooding, Jr.) played Earvin Rodman – One of Mark's students and player on the Oakbridge Penguins boys' basketball team; was not a stellar student, but managed to graduate high school; was briefly married to his high school sweetheart; worked as a security guard after graduating high school

Gooding had a recurring role in the 1st 3 seasons and would later have a full time role in the Final 3 Seasons

Omar Gooding is best known for co-hosting the Nickelodeon Game Show Wild & Crazy Kids and he would later team up with Danny Kallis (who Co-Produced the very 1st season of Coop) as Morris "Mo" Tibbs in The WB Comedy Series Disney's Smart Guy w/Taj Mowry of Full House Fame, Jason Weaver of The Jacksons: An American Dream and the short lived abc comedy Thea, Essence Atkins of TV's Half & Half and Veteran Actor John Marshall Jones as Floyd Henderson

During the 2nd and 3rd Season, the late Nell Carter of TV's Gimme a Break! Fame played the role of Pamela Jane "P.J." Moore – Principal of Oakbridge High, who was Mark's sister's best friend and his babysitter as a young kid; though it seemed to Mark that P.J. was tough on him, it was revealed later in season 3 that she was tough on him because she saw the potential in him to be a great teacher

Ever since abc moved the show to Friday Nights and turned it into a Family Sitcom, abc took a gamble and they lost as the ratings for the show went down and never recovered

In 1996, Mark proposed to Vanessa in the episode "Will She or Won't She". This episode was a cliffhanger season finale that was aired on May 10, 1996. The following season premiere episode ("The Ring") was not aired until June 21, 1997, more than a year later. Vanessa accepted Mark's proposal in this episode. "The Ring" is the first episode of the fifth and last season of the series.

The entire third season and most of the fourth season's episodes were directed by Mark Linn-Baker, who portrayed Larry Appleton on the hit ABC series Perfect Strangers. MLB also appeared in a few episodes.

However, when the show returned for a 5th Season in the Summer of '97, the show moved from TGIF to Saturday Nights and that's when the show saw its final nail in the coffin

The last season was 13 episodes long, half the length of most television seasons, and was aired in the summer, when most television shows are in reruns. In addition, this season was aired on Saturday nights—a move away from its traditional Friday night slot on TGIF.

The series finale ("Getting Personal") was aired August 30, 1997. In this episode, Vanessa wrote a personal ad in the newspaper, and wanted Mark to figure out which ad was hers, and to answer it. Mark decided to answer all ads in the paper, tell everyone to look for the man with the rose, and then not wear a rose. Mark figured that Vanessa would be happy enough that Mark answered her ad, and would not worry about the rose, and that the other women would not get mad at him because, without a rose, they would not know that Mark is the one who answered their ads. Earvin knew about Mark's plan, and decided to go to the restaurant with the rose, so that he could get a date with one of the women whose ad Mark had answered. Vanessa and the other women figured out that the same man had answered all their ads. They decided that the man with the rose would be the dead man with the rose. When Earvin showed up, they all got mad at him, thinking he was the one who answered their ads. The finale ended with a goodbye from the cast.

While the series finale was viewed in its entirety on ABC affiliates in the Eastern, Central, and Mountain time zones, ABC pre-empted the episode on the West Coast, 5 minutes in, to break the news of the death of Princess Diana, and the finale was never re-run on ABC. Other than several complaints from viewers on the West Coast, there was little, if any, controversy, as this episode generally had low ratings, and aired on a Saturday. However, the episode eventually aired on syndication.

ABC actually intended to bring back Hangin' with Mr. Cooper and Step By Step to TGIF for the 1996–97 season as midseason replacements if freshmen series Sabrina the Teenage Witch and/or Clueless were cancelled (Clueless was cancelled by February and was replaced by Step by Step by March, Clueless was picked up by UPN the next season; while Sabrina lasted four seasons on ABC, before being picked up by The WB in 2000, where it spent its last three seasons).

The wedding of Mark and Vanessa would have most likely been the 6th season premiere episode had the show been renewed after season five, as Mark Curry reportedly wanted the wedding to begin a new season, not be a series finale. Hangin' with Mr. Cooper was the only TGIF show cancelled after the 1996–97 season as CBS picked up Step by Step and Family Matters when that network attempted a TGIF-style comedy lineup on Fridays called the "CBS Friday Night Block Party".

Season 1: #17
Season 2: #38
Season 3: #41
Season 4: #61
Season 5: N/A

The series was created by Jeff Franklin (Creator of Full House, of whose cast John Stamos, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen made a guest appearance in Mr. Cooper's second episode), the series was originally produced by Franklin (who also served as a Executive Producer for Season 1 of Malcolm & Eddie), with Danny Kallis (Creator of Disney's Smart Guy for The WB) becoming Executive Producer and showrunner shortly after and Yvette Denise Lee Bowser (Writer for A Different World and Creator of Living Single, For Your Love and Half & Half) served as a writer for the 1st season as well; Cheryl Gard (Producer of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air) became the showrunner for season two, before William Bickley and Michael Warren (who created the popular ABC sitcoms Family Matters and Step by Step, which moved to CBS in 1997) became the showrunners by the third season, continuing until the end of the series.

The show had three different theme songs throughout its run. The first season's theme song was performed by Dawnn Lewis, Holly Robinson, and the Super 90's R&B Vocal Quartet En Vogue best known for their Hit Songs like "Hold On", "My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It)", "Free Your Mind" and "Whatta Man" w/the 1st Ladies of Hip Hop Salt 'N' Pepa, and was written by Denzil Foster and Thomas McElroy. Lewis and Robinson perform most of the theme, while En Vogue sings "Cooper" in the chorus. This sequence was styled similarly to a music video. This was the only opening title sequence during the show's to feature two different versions. The version used in most episodes lasted only 32 seconds. However, a couple of episodes used a minute-long version which included an extra stanza that was not included in the short version.

R&B male crooner and Shalamar lead singer Howard Hewett best known for their Hit Songs "Second Time Around", "Night to Remember", "Dead Giveaway" and "Dancin' in the Sheets" sang the second season theme, which was a remake of Sam & Dave's Top 10 Soul Hit "Soul Man". This version was produced by singer Steve Tyrell, who also composed the scene change music used during season two. The opening sequence accompanying the theme during this season featured Mark, Geneva, Nicole and Vanessa in the kitchen getting ready to go to work and school.

Steve Tyrell was also the man behind the music to such shows as Frank's Place w/Tim & Daphne Maxwell Reid, The Famous Teddy Z Starring Jon Cryer of Two and a Half Men and NCIS Fame, Jane Sibbett of Herman's Head and Friends Fame and the late Alex Rocco of The Facts of Life Fame, The Heights with the late Ray Aranha, Jamie Walters of 90210 Fame and Alex Désert of The Flash, Boy Meets World and Becker Fame and he's best known for writing music to the popular TNBC Saturday Morning Teen Sitcom California Dreams Starring Kelly Packard of Baywatch, Michael Cade and William James Jones and that series also debut in the fall of '92

Sherwood Ball, Carmen Carter and Oren Waters performed the third season theme, which became the main theme song until the series ended. This theme was written by Gary Boren and Steven Chesne, who also composed the music cues to signify scene changes and commercial breaks during the last three seasons and composed the music score of several Miller-Boyett series during the early and mid-1990s. The sequence, created by graphic design firm Creative Tool, featured shots of various places in Oakland in static and regular form with posterized shots of the cast members with clips on the opposite side of the cast members (though clips of Mark Curry are shown on both sides in his part of the sequence).

Alice Cooper best known for his 1972 Top 10 Pop Hit "School's Out" was approached in the initial stages of production to create a theme song for the series, but declined due to scheduling conflicts.

and so, yes, I agree, abc made a HUGE Mistake by changing the show from an adult sitcom to to a family oriented sitcom and moving it to TGIF didn't click with fans either

and here's the theme to the show:

Season 1 Theme Performed by Dawnn Lewis, Holly Robinson Peete and the 90's Super R&B Vocal Group En Vogue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTt05xDgzXs

Season 2 Performed by Howard Hewett with Cheryl Gard as Executive Producer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ao917vphCo

Season 3 Performed by Sherwood Ball, Carmen Carter and Oren Waters

1st Version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ba1jFKXJR8

2nd Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2z36Lt8Yz0
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Since you're talking about me, I'll give you this to think about (since my "opinions" are for the most part, stupid in your eyes). During it's first four years, Empty Nest was a Top 20 show and a Top 10 for those first three. In 1992-93, the first year that it didn't have The Golden Girls around to anchor NBC's Saturday night schedule, it ranked 48th. And the year after that, it ranked 62 in the Nielsens. Finally, in its final season in 1994-95, it was #118.

Yes, Empty Nest along with Nurses couldn't even survive w/o The Golden Girls and when NBC cancelled Nurses, it spelled curtains for Empty Nest

also, during the 92/93 season, The Golden Girls moved to CBS w/o Bea Arthur and was renamed The Golden Palace and the series was ranked #57 in the Nielsen Ratings and there were a couple of reasons behind that:

CBS put the show on Friday Nights competing against abc's Family Matters and it spelled curtains for that show as well, plus The Golden Palace couldn't survive w/o Bea Arthur who wanted to move on from the show after 7 years on NBC w/The Golden Girls

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What makes me angry about China Beach is that ABC could have put it on Friday nights instead of Saturdays.

I mean, ABC didn't have faith in China Beach by putting against two top 20 shows in The Golden Girls and Empty Nest. Maybe ABC should have gotten The Golden Girls and Empty Nest to air before CB, but i don't know how that would have worked.
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ABC expanding Nightline from four nights a week to five and ultimately cancelling the SNL rip-off 'Fridays.' From what I read the show did well in its first year at 11:30, but then bumped the show to midnight after Nightline and ratings plummeted. A trial episode aired at 9 pm, but that didn't work and the show was canned.

I would've had Nightline air Sun-Thu. The Sunday Nightline could have easily bumped down the late night Sunday newscast ABC used to offer to affiliates after their late local news.

They should have just gotten rid of the show after Ted Koppel retired.
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They should have just gotten rid of the show after Ted Koppel retired.
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You know what? I agree with you about NIGHTLINE

Ever since Ted Koppel retired from both the show after 25 years and from abc news after 42 years, the show itself went from being more of a News Magazine Program to more Entertainment

Back in the 80's, Nightline was voted by TV Guide's 40th Anniversary Issue as the GREATEST News Magazine Show of the 80's and Ted Koppel made the show

But ever since 2006 after Koppel retired in 2005, it became pure garbage

I mean hey, don't get me wrong, I like some of the anchors they had from Bill Weir to Cynthia McFadden to Terry Moran to even Juju Chang

But the format has changed and even Disney who owns abc news has had a hand in those changes

I mean, sometimes they'll tape it from Washington D.C., but then they would tape from New York City Time Square (the home to New Year's Eve)

also, Ted Koppel himself says that he's not pleased with Nightline

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Ted Koppel Criticizes ‘Nightline’ For Soft News Turn (VIDEO)

Ted Koppel took a harsh swipe at “Nightline,” the show that brought him worldwide fame, during an interview with a Seattle television station over the weekend.

Koppel lamented that “Nightline” has taken a notable turn towards softer news since he left the ABC News show in 2005. During Koppel’s tenure, the show became as famous for its off-screen turmoil as for its journalism. Koppel even publicly chastised ABC in 2002, when the network made no secret of its attempt to recruit David Letterman to replace him in its late night schedule.

The new, fluffier “Nightline” has now made any need for Letterman obsolete, because the show now beats its CBS rival — along with every other late night show — in the ratings.

Asked about the show by his interviewer, Koppel was dismissive.

“It’s no secret they have become hugely successful, because they are doing precisely what I didn’t want ‘Nightline’ to do,” he said. “It’s become a show that’s heavily oriented into entertainment, more than it is in the direction of information and news.”

Koppel also notably did not pour any cold water on the recent rumor that he is in talks with NBC News to be one of the reporters on its new “Rock Center” magazine show. Rather, he acknowledged that negotiations were underway.

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another big mess-up

Lettin' The View go on w/o Barbara Walters and lettin' New Year's Rockin' Eve go on w/o Dick Clark

I mean, Walters is THE VIEW and so is Meredith Vieira, but since then, it's gone downhill for me

also, NO ONE could count down to the New Year than Mr. Clark

Sorry, but Ryan Seacrest is NOT THE MAN
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