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Old 09-22-2013, 02:26 AM   #16
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Plus, Happy Days needed to end in 1984, because the ratings had already plummeted, and its cast was ready to move on. Also, both Happy Days and Cheers were produced by Paramount TV.
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:37 AM   #17
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Firing Kevin Reilly, who was NBC's head of entertainment from 2004 to 2007. He was working miracles at a network struggling in the post-Friends era. He developed My Name Is Earl (the #1 new scripted show of 2005-06) and Heroes (the #1 new scripted show of 2006-07) and was fired for it.

The straight-to-series idiocy of 2007-08. Turns out pilots exist for a reason.

The Jay Leno Show. Cancelling so much programming had a ripple effect that carries on until today. They needed to develop a ton of shows to fill the gap. That impacted quality, plus they couldn't successfully promote all of them.

Not firing Zucker earlier.

That season in the late 90s when NBC put sitcoms on pretty much every single night. I know this might be controversial on a website dedicated to sitcoms, but they spread themselves far too thin, which really hurt the genre. I blame NBC for the subsequent decline in sitcoms in the 2000s.

You must be referring to the 1997-98 season!
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Old 09-22-2013, 05:17 AM   #18
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You must be referring to the 1997-98 season!
Yes, that's it.

Interesting thread, especially people talking about how networks clone each other to drive genres into the ground. We're seeing that with Modern Family and soft sci-fi right now. NBC is by far the most egregious network at creating bad copycats.

I also enjoyed reading the linked Sepinwall article about the impact of Friends on the sitcom genre.

People tend to forget NBC was making dumb moves pre-Zucker. NBC did amazingly well in the mid-90s, thanks to Frasier, Friends and ER, and that papered over the cracks of the dumb decisions of the next few years.
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:43 PM   #19
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First of all, Happy Days aired on ABC not NBC. Second, Cheers is one of the greatest shows of all time. If anything, cancelling Cheers then would've been another huge blunder for NBC.

I know. Happy Days could have made the same network switch Diff'rent Strokes did in 1985 when it moved from NBC to ABC.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:25 AM   #20
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I know. Happy Days could have made the same network switch Diff'rent Strokes did in 1985 when it moved from NBC to ABC.

I don't think that discussing Happy Days at all belongs in this particular discussion about NBC. Now when I eventually get to the topic about the "biggest mistakes/mess-ups in ABC history" then maybe, I'll take this sort of thing under consideration.

With that being said, I think Happy Days better fits in the discussion of TV shows that may have run a few seasons too long. Perhaps Happy Days should've called it a day when Ron Howard decided to leave.
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I agree with you about the sitcoms. Most of those sitcoms were Friends clones and they were mediocre at best. They overdid it on them. Then you knew it was bad when NBC started with their super-sized Thursdays. They wouldn't have done that if their other sitcoms in the lineup were any good.

You can "thank" Jeff Zucker for the supersizing concept. NBC during the early 2000s under Zucker, seemed to relying on its '90s hits (e.g. Friends and its spin-off Joey, Fraiser, and ER) much longer than maybe they needed to. Along the way, they couldn't develop and nurture new hits. Instead, Zucker opted for "cheaper"/"alternative" programming like Deal or No Deal, The Apprentice, and Fear Factor. NBC came off as a broadcast network TV version of the modern day MTV.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:55 AM   #22
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I know. Happy Days could have made the same network switch Diff'rent Strokes did in 1985 when it moved from NBC to ABC.
Really? It ran 11 seasons, and most of the later seasons are pretty bad. You needed more?
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NBC failed to use the success of shows like ER, Frasier, Friends, Will & Grace, etc to create future hits. Instead they coasted on the success of those shows and had nothing to replace them with when they ended.

I think keeping E.R. on Thursday nights for it's entire run was a mistake, as soon as ratings started to plummet in it's 10th-11th year, it should have been moved to another night a less important night and replaced with something else.


If anything, NBC's biggest mistake was not realizing how important it would be to create new series to secure it's future.
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Old 09-24-2013, 02:08 PM   #24
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Really? It ran 11 seasons, and most of the later seasons are pretty bad. You needed more?

If The Simpsons can go more than 500 episodes, then the answer is yes for more seasons of Happy Days.
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If The Simpsons can go more than 500 episodes, then the answer is yes for more seasons of Happy Days.

That's an extreme case of apples and oranges. Since a show like The Simpsons is animated, then naturally, the characters don't have to visibly age and there's more of a "floating timeline". I don't think a show like Happy Days could've been built to last more than 500 episodes anyway because of it's main selling point was the 1950s early '60s "nostalgia".
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:20 PM   #26
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Will & Grace? a highly-rated, Emmy-winning, ground-breaking show? yeah, huge mistake...

The Emmys are a sorry excuse by the powers that be to mix entertainment and Chicago-style politics.
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I don't think that discussing Happy Days at all belongs in this particular discussion about NBC. Now when I eventually get to the topic about the "biggest mistakes/mess-ups in ABC history" then maybe, I'll take this sort of thing under consideration.

With that being said, I think Happy Days better fits in the discussion of TV shows that may have run a few seasons too long. Perhaps Happy Days should've called it a day when Ron Howard decided to leave.
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I agree. "Cheers" and "Will & Grace" are two of NBC's finest.

Canceling "Mama's Family" after season 2 was a big mistake but I'm glad they did because we all know what happened next...
no we don't all know what happened next with MAMAS FAMILY. I don't know; what happened?
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cancelling STAR TREK back in 1969

moving Jay Leno to prime time
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no we don't all know what happened next with MAMAS FAMILY. I don't know; what happened?

It got retooled and had a successful 4 season run in first-run syndication.
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