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Old 09-25-2013, 05:55 PM   #16
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•CBS notoriously did this to an entire genre of television programs. From 1970-72, in what would later be called "The Rural Purge", the network cancelled most of their sitcoms and dramas focusing on country life or country folks living in the city. Petticoat Junction, The Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Mayberry RFD, Lassie, and Hee Haw were among the shows that got their pink slips during this period, as well as The Ed Sullivan Show; Pat Buttram (Mr. Haney on Green Acres) famously said 1971 was "the year CBS killed everything with a tree in it". Networks began to move away from rural settings to more modern shows set in suburbia and aimed at a younger demographic, such as The Brady Bunch over at ABC. In CBS' defense, their new shows such as All in the Family, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, Mash, The Bob Newhart Show, Maude, Good Times, One Day At A Time, and The Jeffersons were all successful, often wildly so, with critics and audiences.

◦Essentially, this bookends NBC's cancellation of Star Trek — Nielsen's demographic breakdowns of a show's ratings had become more specific between 1969 and 1971, thus if Trek's early demise (good demos but low overall ratings) was the before, the 1971 CBS Rural Purge (of shows with good overall numbers but lousy 18-to-49 ones) was the after.

◦Similarly, in 1979 CBS canned Wonder Woman and The Amazing Spider-Man while never going forward on the Doctor Strange and Captain America pilots...not because their ratings were poor, but because CBS didn't want to be seen as "The Super Hero Network". Only The Incredible Hulk survived.


Here's perhaps a slightly more damning mess up that CBS made:
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Gilligan's Island, despite having decent ratings, was cancelled because one CBS executive hated the premise and wanted to give its timeslot to Gunsmoke, which was the show that originally was going to be cancelled. Luckily for James Arness, the exec's wife was a fan of the western show.

◦This came back to bite the network on the ass. Sherwood Schwartz, the creator of the show, was so angry at CBS that he vowed not to work for it again. The next show he created ran on ABC, which you may be familiar with.

◦Arguably, both sides got something out of this. Gunsmoke ran for 20 seasons, more than twice the running time of Gilligan/BB combined. However, Brady and Gilligan became two of the most syndicated shows of all time. Alongside spin-offs, reunion movies, and the 1990s Brady films that were a good-natured parody and deconstruction of the series, in the long run Gilligan/Brady have been much more successful.


I'll also add CBS' treatment of WKRP... w/ them never really giving it a stable time-slot. After WKRP... was finally canceled in 1982, it went on to become a huge success in syndication (in a sense, the Star Trek of sitcoms).
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When they moved Murder She Wrote from its Sunday timeslot where it was doing really well in the ratings to Thursdays up against NBC's Friends. The show's ratings plummeted and eventually it was gone. I think this may have been around the time CBS was tired of being known as "the old people network."

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In August 1988, the series was expected to end in June 1990, because Lansbury expressed that she was weary of her commitment. Nevertheless, Lansbury would continue in the role. By the end of the 1994/95 season, Murder, She Wrote's 11th, Lansbury was content in continuing the series, although her advancing age became a concern (she had just turned 70). However, CBS effectively made the decision for her that fall. After spending 11 years on Sunday, the network's longest-running weekly series (at that time) was moved to Thursday nights at 8 p.m. This put the series in direct competition with the first hour of NBC's Must See TV lineup, which had been drawing the highest ratings of the week for any network for years. CBS cited that Murder, She Wrote was "skewing too old" in the ratings demographics, as—while the series was still successful, having just finished the 11th season as the eighth-most watched program on television—they were not gaining the valued 18–49 ratings demographic that is most desired among networks.

Despite protests of many of the show's fans (who believed CBS was intentionally setting the show up to fail in its new timeslot), CBS refused to budge on the new timeslot. Murder, She Wrote plummeted from eighth to 58th in the yearly ratings; the series lost nearly 6 million viewers as the audience was not willing to follow it to Thursday, which left CBS with little choice but to end Murder, She Wrote after 12 seasons in August 1996. To soften the blow, the network agreed to air four Murder, She Wrote movies over the next few years; the first was broadcast in 1997, with three more following in 2000, 2001, and 2003.[11] Lansbury stated in May 2011 that she would like to make a comeback appearance as Jessica Fletcher.[12]

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You can guess how that went. In 1993, after CBS had already lost broadcast rights to NBA and MLB, Fox signed a contract with the NFL that gave them the exclusive rights to air NFC games, a move that firmly established Fox as America's fourth network but utterly devastated CBS. A common joke claimed that CBS stood for "Can't Broadcast Sports". This was followed by Fox's plundering of CBS' sportscasters and, in 1994, through a contract with New World Communications and its merger with Argyle Television, poaching CBS affiliates in such key markets as Dallas-Fort Worth, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Detroitnote NWC would be purchased outright by News Corporation, Fox's parent company, in 1997., forcing CBS to move to lower-tier UHF stations in those and other citiesnote CBS was spared the UHF demotion in Dallas-Fort Worth but still had to move up the dial to Channel 11. CBS would start to recover in 2000 with the debut of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation and Survivor, its first mega-hits in a long while, and since then it's caught back up to Fox for the #1 spot on the Nielsen charts.

Speaking of CBS Sports, another boneheaded decision (since I've already mentioned them losing the NFL to Fox in 1994) was them spending about $1.2 billion on Major League Baseball (1990-1993) only to wind up losing approximately $500 million when the smoke was cleared.
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Here's perhaps a slightly more damning mess up that CBS made:


I'll also add CBS' treatment of WKRP... w/ them never really giving it a stable time-slot. After WKRP... was finally canceled in 1982, it went on to become a huge success in syndication (in a sense, the Star Trek of sitcoms).
They should have kept both Gilligan and Gunsmoke. I don't know if CBS considers it a mistake though. While Gilligan's did become a top hit in syndication, Gunsmoke thrived on CBS after this incident and remained a top 20 hit for most of the rest of the time it was on the air.
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I was glad they cancelled all of that hick ****. How about them cancelling The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour because of their politics. Stupid move.
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One of CBS's most popular shows is 60 Minutes. In the Mid to late 70s during Football Season people east of the Mississippi Creek (You'd call it a creek too after you saw the Amazon! ) would seldom see the entire show because of Game Overruns. (NBC did this to The Wonderful World of Disney irking those who wanted to that show as well. Heaven knows how many thousands of letters both networks received from irate viewers.
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After they lost football CBS got desperate and tried to imitate FOX. This was around '95 when they moved Murder She Wrote to Thursdays to die opposite Friends and debuted the 'Melrose Place'-like 'Central Park West, and the 'Married With Children' clone 'Bless This House' with Andrew Dice Clay and Cathy Moriarity. The slogan was 'You're On,' they changed their on-air look. one was the iconic 'This is CBS' indents before the local breaks replaced with actor spots.

This effort was an epic fail and they tried to lure the old crowd back with the 'Welcome Home' slogan the following few years.
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After they lost football CBS got desperate and tried to imitate FOX. This was around '95 when they moved Murder She Wrote to Thursdays to die opposite Friends and debuted the 'Melrose Place'-like 'Central Park West, and the 'Married With Children' clone 'Bless This House' with Andrew Dice Clay and Cathy Moriarity. The slogan was 'You're On,' they changed their on-air look. one was the iconic 'This is CBS' indents before the local breaks replaced with actor spots.

This effort was an epic fail and they tried to lure the old crowd back with the 'Welcome Home' slogan the following few years.

Exactly right. This is also around the time shows such as Public Morals (which last I think 1 episode) and Dweebs debuted, both of which were critically panned and got no ratings whatsoever.


I think it was a season or two later that CBS adopted the long-serving slogans "Welcome Home To A CBS Night" (sometimes shortened to just "Welcome Home") and "The Address Is CBS".


They wanted people to know that they realized the error of their ways and that they were going back to fare more typical of CBS.
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what was PUBLIC MORALS and DWEEBS about? I don't remember either one.
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After they lost football CBS got desperate and tried to imitate FOX. This was around '95 when they moved Murder She Wrote to Thursdays to die opposite Friends and debuted the 'Melrose Place'-like 'Central Park West, and the 'Married With Children' clone 'Bless This House' with Andrew Dice Clay and Cathy Moriarity. The slogan was 'You're On,' they changed their on-air look. one was the iconic 'This is CBS' indents before the local breaks replaced with actor spots.

This effort was an epic fail and they tried to lure the old crowd back with the 'Welcome Home' slogan the following few years.

If you want to be basic and upfront then CBS really slid into irrelevance during a good portion of the '90s was because they were seriously mismanaged by Laurence Tisch (who loved to cut costs whenever he saw fit), who was the chairman from 1986-95.
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If you want to be basic and upfront then CBS really slid into irrelevance during a good portion of the '90s was because they were seriously mismanaged by Laurence Tisch (who loved to cut costs whenever he saw fit), who was the chairman from 1986-95.
he also fired bud grant who was still doing a decent job as head of programing and replaced him with kim lemasters who was probably the second worst entertainment head of any network ever theonly progamer who was worse than lemasters imho was jeff zucker of nbc
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moving WKRP IN CINCINNATI around so much then cancelling it.
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what was PUBLIC MORALS and DWEEBS about? I don't remember either one.


Public Morals was a sitcom set in a police station, in of all places, the vice squad. It was from Steven Bococho , the creator of NYPD Blue. It was controversial from the start because it featured a scene with a male character in drag. In 1995 this was a controversial idea. The show was panned by critics and cancelled after a single airing.

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and "Dweebs" was a sitcom about nerds working at a software company. Peter Scolari and Corey Feldman were among the stars. Farrah Forke who would later go onto fame on the sitcom "Wings" (as Alex) was the female star of the show. Most of the comedy was about the male characters being intelligent but socially awkward, especially around the character Forke played. It was universally panned by critics and was one of the biggest disasters of the 1995 season.


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Another bad move by CBS was in 1967 when Fred Silverman began cancelling all the prime time as well as the daytime game shows. The first to get the ax was I've Got a Secret, followed by the prime time To Tell the Truth and What's My Line?. He also made the big mistake of purging the network's successful word game Password and the daytime To Tell the Truth.

As a result of all the cancellations and Silverman's dislike of game shows, the network went four years without a new game show until July 1972 when the short-lived The Amateur's Guide to Love debuted. Although the show was a bust, the network had a new daytime VP Bud Grant (not the Vikings coach) and in September, he brought The Joker's Wild, Gambit and a show that's still on the air today as the first and only hour long daytime game show The Price is Right.

The success of the morning block paved the way for more new games, including The $10,000 Pyramid, Match Game and Tattletales.
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Public Morals was a sitcom set in a police station, in of all places, the vice squad. It was from Steven Bococho , the creator of NYPD Blue. It was controversial from the start because it featured a scene with a male character in drag. In 1995 this was a controversial idea. The show was panned by critics and cancelled after a single airing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_...28TV_Series%29


and "Dweebs" was a sitcom about nerds working at a software company. Peter Scolari and Corey Feldman were among the stars. Farrah Forke who would later go onto fame on the sitcom "Wings" (as Alex) was the female star of the show. Most of the comedy was about the male characters being intelligent but socially awkward, especially around the character Forke played. It was universally panned by critics and was one of the biggest disasters of the 1995 season.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dweebs_%28TV_series%29

I find it odd that a sitcom featuring a scene w/ a man in drag would be considered controversial given that we had a whole show built around that sort of premise in Bosom Buddies at least 10 years prior.

Dweebs appears to have been sort of a proto, '90s version of The Big Bang Theory.
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