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Old 07-05-2013, 02:01 PM   #91
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He didn't have stiches or a concussion. A 17th year child is dead because he shot him. I wouldn't want that happen to me either, but I wouldn't be stupid enough to walk up to a person with out identifying myself and start the discussion. He should of stayed in the car and waited for the police to arrive.
Zimmerman didn't start the conversation. TM approached GZ asking him if he was looking for trouble, George said no, whereupon Trayvon punched him. GZ fell to the ground, TM got on top of GM and started beating him. A neighbor witnessed the beating and testified to this. John Goode is his name. He stated what they were wearing and who was beating who. Trayvon was the aggressor.
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Why didn't Trayvon just go home? Zimmerman lost him and didn't know where he went. If he would have just went home, no confrontation would have taken place.
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Why didn't Trayvon just go home? Zimmerman lost him and didn't know where he went. If he would have just went home, no confrontation would have taken place.
If Zimmerman is under no obligation to follow directions from the 911 dispatcher, then why is Trayvon obligated to go home?
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If Zimmerman is under no obligation to follow directions from the 911 dispatcher, then why is Trayvon obligated to go home?
Trayvon had trouble on his mind.
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Trayvon had trouble on his mind.

That's speculation. The same can be speculated about George Zimmerman. He was under no obligation to follow directions from 911, and he left his car. Why? He had trouble on his mind.

Zimmerman did not get out of his car to look at house numbers. The house numbers were all lit up outside.
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If Zimmerman is under no obligation to follow directions from the 911 dispatcher, then why is Trayvon obligated to go home?
I'm just saying, it sounded like he wanted a confrontation. If he wasn't looking for trouble then he should have just went home. If I saw someone following me, I would have gotten home as fast as I could. I wouldn't trust any strangers, especially at night.
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Zimmerman didn't start the conversation. TM approached GZ asking him if he was looking for trouble, George said no,
Zimmerman then should of identify himself as a crime watcher. On Zimmerman's cell call to the dispatcher, you can hear Zimmerman chasing him because he was out of breath. That was a stupid thing for him to do. Even the head of Crime-watch said that Zimmerman handled it wrong.
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Zimmerman then should of identify himself as a crime watcher. On Zimmerman's cell call to the dispatcher, you can hear Zimmerman chasing him because he was out of breath. That was a stupid thing for him to do. Even the head of Crime-watch said that Zimmerman handled it wrong.
You're exactly right. The woman who trains crime watchers for the neighborhood says that neighborhood watch people are supposed to be the EYES AND EARS for the police. They are not supposed to be using guns.
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Zimmerman then should of identify himself as a crime watcher. On Zimmerman's cell call to the dispatcher, you can hear Zimmerman chasing him because he was out of breath. That was a stupid thing for him to do. Even the head of Crime-watch said that Zimmerman handled it wrong.
Of course Zimmerman handled things wrong. So did Trayvon. Trayvon had a cellphone too so why didn't he call the police and tell them that somebody was following him? He wanted a confrontation. Nobody's answered my question. Of course it's a free country and Trayvon could go back and confront him if he wanted to but why would he do that? Why didn't he go home as fast as he could and call the police? I've been out walking at night before. I've even had a few people say things to me. I ignore them and get out of there as fast as I could. If you want a confrontation, chances are you're going to get one if you go after them. And if Trayvon was the aggressor in that confrontation and was banging Zimmerman's head against the ground then in Zimmerman's mind, it was self defense. If Zimmerman was out to kill him then why even call 911?
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That's speculation. The same can be speculated about George Zimmerman. He was under no obligation to follow directions from 911, and he left his car. Why? He had trouble on his mind.

Zimmerman did not get out of his car to look at house numbers. The house numbers were all lit up outside.
It's not speculation. Trayvon beat him up. If that's not trouble, I don't know what is. It's not all lit up outside. It's dark. That's what everyone says on the shows I watch. GZ had every right to leave his car. He lived there. He thought Trayvon looked suspicious, so he called it in. He made mistakes. They both did, but Trayvon did slug him, got on him and was hitting him. The neighbor testified that Trayvon was doing something called raining blows, martial arts style.
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. He made mistakes.
Like when he absolutely lied in his interview with Sean Hannity.

Zimmerman claimed he never heard of the "stand your ground law." During trial, it was revealed that Zimmerman (an A student in criminal justice) studied "stand your ground" quite extensively. An A student wouldn't just forget that. Zimmerman lied. If he can lie about that, he could lie about much more.
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Trayvon had a cellphone too so why didn't he call the police and tell them that somebody was following him?
He was 17 years old, kids that age don't think clearly. Maybe he was going to wait to get to his house and tell his dad and his step-mom about the strange man and let them call the police. Maybe it was self-defense or not. I don't think we will never know for sure. But Zimmerman started the whole thing by getting out of his car and being a cop want-a-be, and following Trayvon. How do we know if he wasn't up to any good. He didn't have a gun only candy and a drink. Some weapons.
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He was 17 years old, kids that age don't think clearly. Maybe he was going to wait to get to his house and tell his dad and his step-mom about the strange man and let them call the police. Maybe it was self-defense or not. I don't think we will never know for sure. But Zimmerman started the whole thing by getting out of his car and being a cop want-a-be, and following Trayvon. How do we know if he wasn't up to any good. He didn't have a gun only candy and a drink. Some weapons.
Well I was 17 years old once and there is no way that I would have gone back and confronted anybody that I was afraid of. Heck I was picked on constantly when I was a kid and I went out of my way to avoid people like that. They both made mistakes, that is obvious.And you are right that we may never know anything for sure. You have to be sure in a trial like this though. But Like I said earlier , I wouldn't be surprised if Zimmerman was convicted. He's already been convicted in the media.
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Like when he absolutely lied in his interview with Sean Hannity.

Zimmerman claimed he never heard of the "stand your ground law." During trial, it was revealed that Zimmerman (an A student in criminal justice) studied "stand your ground" quite extensively. An A student wouldn't just forget that. Zimmerman lied. If he can lie about that, he could lie about much more.
So he took a course three years ago that included something on stand your ground, and he forgot. Big deal. If anyone asked me about a portion of a course I took in college three years after I graduated, I can't guarantee that I'd remember it, and I was an A student myself.

He was a busy guy with a wife, kids, a job and he was taking college courses at the time of the incident. We're not computers for God's sake. He forget. He had nothing to gain by lying. The course wasn't called, Stand Your Ground.
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So he took a course three years ago that included something on stand your ground, and he forgot. Big deal. If anyone asked me about a portion of a course I took in college three years after I graduated, I can't guarantee that I'd remember it, and I was an A student myself.

He was a busy guy with a wife, kids, a job and he was taking college courses at the time of the incident. We're not computers for God's sake. He forget. He had nothing to gain by lying. The course wasn't called, Stand Your Ground.
You are right about that Janice. Of all the things to lie about, why would he lie about Stand Your Ground? When this first happened, I assumed he already knew about the law. It doesn't really prove anything.
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