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Old 05-26-2012, 07:06 PM   #46
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Your point about Charles in Charge is an excellent one mets82. Charles in Charge is another great example of a successful retooling. I actually liked the Pembroke family way better than the first family, and the episodes were livlier, funnier, and just had a better quality to them. The first family seemed to me as sort of dull and drab, hence probably one of the reasons why the producers decided to retool the show.

Actually the Pembrokes were the 1st family.

The Powells, is the 2nd family you saw in the syndie-era.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:37 AM   #47
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I didn't enjoy the show as much without Valerie Harper. I imagine it kept her name in the title to avoid fan confusion?


Valerie was not happy that they kept the name. She expressed that in an interview where she asked "Why do they get to keep the name?" After that lawsuit was over, the name was changed to "The Hogan Family".
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Old 09-15-2012, 02:44 AM   #48
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That first year it was called Valerie's Family but on the opening credits it said Valeries Family and then it said The Hogans. lol I guess they wanted people to know it was the same show.

Actually, at least when it was on NBC, it was called Valerie for the 1 1/2 seasons where Valerie Harper starred. It was not called Valerie's Family until her character was killed off, then it was renamed The Hogan Family when it was in reruns the next June. I remember when NBC ran a promo using Shirley Ellis' "The Name Game" to promote the show's new name.
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:53 AM   #49
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Actually, at least when it was on NBC, it was called Valerie for the 1 1/2 seasons where Valerie Harper starred. It was not called Valerie's Family until her character was killed off, then it was renamed The Hogan Family when it was in reruns the next June. I remember when NBC ran a promo using Shirley Ellis' "The Name Game" to promote the show's new name.


I remember that commercial. I didn't know what was going on at the time. LOL.
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Actually, "Valerie's Family: The Hogans" was a good way to handle the "loss" of Valerie Harper. The second season dealt with everyone adjusting to the death in the family, and Sandy's adjustment to becoming the mother figure.

But as with "Hazel" a generation earlier, jumping from NBC to CBS was in theory a good idea that, in practice, fell flat on its face. Accepting Edward Hillerman of "Magnum, P. I." as a new, previously unseen grandfather--who played his role as if he were still trying to boss Tom Selleck around--was something very few viewers chose to do. I know I quit watching after the network switch.
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Old 04-08-2015, 03:03 AM   #51
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What happened was that Miller-Boyett, the producers of Valerie wanted to make the show to be more slapstick, along the lines of another M-B sitcom in Perfect Strangers on ABC, which debuted about 24-25 days after Valerie premiered. Valerie, along with husband and co-producer Tony Cacciotti objected to this decision. So when tension and disagreements rose, M-B forced Valerie, along with Cacciotti off the show, which eventually led to the lawsuits and Valerie and Cacciotti winning their case, which later led to the title and name changes.

And I agree with what Sonny Carson said about the show.

This article perfectly summarizes what Valerie Harper wanted/expected to do and what Miller-Boyett were used to doing. To put things in its proper perspective, if you were looking for sophisticated (like what Valerie Harper was used to when she was on The Mary Tyler Moore Show and later, Rhoda under MTM), "smart" sitcoms that didn't aim to the lowest common denominator and weren't inherently cheesy, then Miller-Boyett's kinds weren't for you. They were arguably the Chuck Lorre's (if Chuck Lorre did family-friendly comedies) of the mid '80s-late '90s:
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Old 10-29-2015, 01:19 AM   #52
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Valerie Harper was great but Sandy Duncan was also terrific.

The show was wildly successful both before and after Harper's infamous departure. After Duncan's bout with "Funny Face", she vowed never to do another show on tv again. But, with the writers and producers so desperate for another lady to replace Valerie Harper, they turned to Sandy Duncan as a last resort and a whole lot of money. Others who auditioned for the role and flopped were Sally Struthers, Marcia Strassman and Jennifer O'Neill.
Producers were looking for someone more congenial and less overbearing. However, I think I'd heard it almost turned out to be Beverly Archer. (Could be wrong though)....
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By the looks of it, the Valerie debacle if you will was really a case of having "too many cooks in the kitchen". I've read some theory that Don Johnson may have indirectly played a role in Valerie Harper getting kicked off of the show w/ her namesake. This is because, Don Johnson was asking for a huge pay-raise for Miami Vice (another NBC show), but it probably isn't that simple as it looks.
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It was a smooth transition.
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In one of the most bizarre re-casting moves in TV history, Valerie Harper, the eponymous star of the show Valerie, was killed off and replaced by Sandy Duncan as a result of a breakdown in contract negotiations. The show was renamed Valerie's Family, then eventually The Hogan Family. It went on successfully for another five years, but behind the scenes Harper was not so easily disposed.

Harper complained in the press that despite claims to the contrary, her compensation was agreed upon, and it was other areas of the contract that were "left open to be settled later" that led to her being "kicked out." Harper maintains that the whole dispute was over "creative input" while a lawyer for the show's production company, Lorimar Telepictures, argued "that her disruptive behavior was sufficient grounds for terminating her."

Harper ended up suing basically the entire production team behind the show, including NBC, Lormiar Telepictures, the heads of both companies, as well as showrunners Tom Miller and Bob Boyett. Only her suit against Lorimar stuck, but it netted her a nice payout when a jury awarded her "$1.8 million in compensatory damages and a share of the show's profits that could top $15 million," according to People. That's not a bad severance check, but it was about more than that for Harper, who said, "We won financially and we won morally."

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The article posted above is wrong about how long the show went on. The show did not last for five years after Harper was wrongfully fired, rather the show lasted another 3 1/2 years.

The show lasted a total of 5 1/2 years.
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The article posted above is wrong about how long the show went on. The show did not last for five years after Harper was wrongfully fired, rather the show lasted another 3 1/2 years.

The show lasted a total of 5 1/2 years.

That's right. Even counting the weird four-episode "season" in summer 1991, where they burned off the last unaired episodes, it would only be four years.
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Producers were looking for someone more congenial and less overbearing. However, I think I'd heard it almost turned out to be Beverly Archer. (Could be wrong though)....

I would doubt that, considering Beverly was co-starring on Mama's Family from 1986-1990.
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Old 09-09-2017, 12:11 PM   #59
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For me, the worst case of retooling on a show would be:

The Facts of Life - there were multiple retoolings: the retooling between Season 1 and 2, when half the cast was "let go"; the retooling in Season 5, when Eastland was abandoned; Season 7 when the bakery burned down and the episodes no longer revolved around Mrs. Garrett. The show became unrecognizable.

Gimme a Break - Once the girls left the show and plots revolved around Nell and Addie in New York, it became unwatchable.

Charles in Charge - The retool between Seasons 1 and 2 was unbelievable. The old family moved, but left the babysitter behind for a new family?! Please.

A Different World - The loss of Denise and Marisa Tomei and the new focus on Whitley caused me to stop watching. Also, I preferred the Season 1 theme song.
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Laverne without Shirley may have been the worst one for me. The show was just holding on by a string at that point.
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