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Old 05-20-2012, 05:24 PM   #31
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Getting back on subject, I might have thought Chico & the Man, might have been the worst case of re-tooling.

Exactly.

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Old 05-22-2012, 03:00 AM   #32
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To say that Valerie/ The Hogan Family was one of the worst retoolings depends on where you're coming from. If you are a die hard Valerie Harper fan, that is the only way I can see where someone can say that.

I would have to say that The Hogan Family is one of the best cases for retooling a show around and for these reasons.

1. When all of these issues came out, the networks were more competitive between each other, and cable did not have the original programming market that it has now (what with more channels and a bigger variety of original content within those channels) to compete with network programming.

2. The show lasted long enough to make it comfortably into syndication. "8 Simple Rules" struggled hard after John Ritter died, and it is not running in any syndication markets (to my knowledge) today outside of ABC Family, which owns the show. The Hogan Family, owned by Warner Brothers, ran in multiple syndication markets for years after it was cancelled from its original run. In Chicago, I remember WPWR-TV, channel 50 carrying the show for a long time, and even PAX-TV carrying it for a while. Then, there was ABC Family, but that was short.

3. The show's feel: The writing, the characters, and the chemistry was strong enough to win an enduring loyalty from the audience and maintain that loyalty throughout the run of the show. That is a rare thing to do. And couple that with storylines that were largely wholesome for kids, fun for everyone, and funny for adults to the point where adults would catch any innuendos that kids wouldn't understand.

Today in television there are too many "know it alls" in the business who have obscure and eccentric tastes, who believe that the trash that they may personally like and approve will sell abroad. Ha! And they wonder why so many people are flocking to classic TV channels, and buying classic TV series, demanding more.
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Along with Perfect Strangers, this is the exception to the rule of a Miller/Boyett sitcom that actually still holds up pretty well today. Oddly enough, they're the two M/B sitcoms not running in syndication.
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Along with Perfect Strangers, this is the exception to the rule of a Miller/Boyett sitcom that actually still holds up pretty well today. Oddly enough, they're the two M/B sitcoms not running in syndication.

My only fear is that unless younger people are introduced to shows like these, the demand for them will be so limited that any substantiated draw in favor of them will fade away, and if brought back some day in the future, will not be watched because people don't care about "those old shows." This unfortunately has happened with Benson, and Empty Nest, and these shows are in danger of that happening to them (if it hasn't already) too.
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That's so true, and why I plan on showing what I have of PS to my nephews, who are very young kids. I'd MUCH rather them watch that than Full House.
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That's so true, and why I plan on showing what I have of PS to my nephews, who are very young kids. I'd MUCH rather them watch that than Full House.

Amen to that!!! I'm sure they would rather watch PS than Full House also.

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Hey, both of them already love the classic cartoons - Looney Tunes, Merrie Melodies, and Tom & Jerry - Larry and Balki would be right up their alley. They both enjoy slapstick. #auntiesprideandjoy
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I watched The Hogan Family and thats the only title I remember it as. I dont remember seeing the title "Valerie" or "Valeries Family" just The Hogan Family. But to say it was the worst case of retooling a show, I disagree. I thought the show was funny with Sandy Duncan in the show. I dont think it was bad w/o Harper. If any show should have been more slapstick it should have been Full House. That show got lame as time went on and it really became the Michelle show towards the end.


Btw, wasnt Charles in Charge retooled as well? The family that Charles worked for left and replaced. That show stayed on the air as well.
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I watched The Hogan Family and thats the only title I remember it as. I dont remember seeing the title "Valerie" or "Valeries Family" just The Hogan Family. But to say it was the worst case of retooling a show, I disagree. I thought the show was funny with Sandy Duncan in the show. I dont think it was bad w/o Harper. If any show should have been more slapstick it should have been Full House. That show got lame as time went on and it really became the Michelle show towards the end.


Btw, wasnt Charles in Charge retooled as well? The family that Charles worked for left and replaced. That show stayed on the air as well.


I first saw the show when it was called The Hogan Family, and it starred Sandy Duncan. When I saw in syndication that Valerie Harper was in the earlier episodes as the mom, I was surprised because I didn't know that the show started off with the mother character in it. The show had a different feel to it, but when I first saw it, the show was called The Hogan Family. Only the original masters title it Valerie, and then The Hogans before calling it The Hogan Family.

Your point about Charles in Charge is an excellent one mets82. Charles in Charge is another great example of a successful retooling. I actually liked the Pembroke family way better than the first family, and the episodes were livlier, funnier, and just had a better quality to them. The first family seemed to me as sort of dull and drab, hence probably one of the reasons why the producers decided to retool the show.

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I think Valerie's husband had as much to do with the problems as anyone.

I think the last retooling of The Doris Day Show was pretty bad.
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Val's husband? Her current husband, or her first, actor Richard Schaal?
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Val's husband? Her current husband, or her first, actor Richard Schaal?

I was referring to Cacciotti or whatever his name is. Though I love Valerie Harper she had her share of drama.
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I was referring to Cacciotti or whatever his name is. Though I love Valerie Harper she had her share of drama.
Ahhhh, the second guy, Tony Cacciotti. They wed in 1987, which I guess is around the time of her departure from the show. What's the story?
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Well it has been said he had a "Svengali" type effect on her and convinced her into holding out so they could get more. Using her previous successful hold out (Rhoda) as a way to help convince her that it was a good idea.
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Well it has been said he had a "Svengali" type effect on her and convinced her into holding out so they could get more. Using her previous successful hold out (Rhoda) as a way to help convince her that it was a good idea.
Ahhhhh...another Alan Hamel (Suzanne Somers' husband), huh?
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