Sitcoms Online - Main Page / Message Boards - Main Page / Photo Galleries / DVD Reviews / News Blog / Buy TV Shows on DVD

View Today's Active Threads / View New Posts / Mark All Boards Read / Chit Chat Board

I Love Lucy (Sitcoms Online) / I Love Lucy links and theme songs at Sitcoms Online / I Love Lucy Photo Gallery


I Love Lucy - The Complete First Season

Buy I Love Lucy - The Complete First Season on DVD
I Love Lucy - The Complete Second Season

Buy I Love Lucy - The Complete Second Season on DVD
I Love Lucy - The Complete Third Season

Buy I Love Lucy - The Complete Third Season on DVD
I Love Lucy - The Complete Fourth Season

Buy I Love Lucy - The Complete Fourth Season on DVD
I Love Lucy - The Complete Fifth Season

Buy I Love Lucy - The Complete Fifth Season on DVD
I Love Lucy - The Complete Sixth Season

Buy I Love Lucy - The Complete Sixth Season on DVD
I Love Lucy - The Complete Seventh-Ninth Seasons (The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour)

Buy I Love Lucy - The Complete Seventh-Ninth Seasons on DVD
I Love Lucy - The Complete Series

Buy I Love Lucy - The Complete Series on DVD
I Love Lucy - Ultimate Season 1 (Blu-ray)

Buy I Love Lucy - Ultimate Season 1 on Blu-ray

Sitcoms Online Message Boards - Forums  

Go Back   Sitcoms Online Message Boards - Forums > 1950s Sitcoms > I Love Lucy
User Name
Password


Welcome to the Sitcoms Online Message Boards - Forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, search, view attachments, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

SitcomsOnline.com News Blog Headlines Twitter Facebook Instagram RSS

Steve Coogan Tapped for Happyish Pilot for Showtime; Lifetime's Lizzie Borden Movie Turning Into Limited Series
CBS to Launch Decades, A New Digital Subchannel; The CW Orders Full Seasons of The Flash, Jane the Virgin
COZI TV Goes One Step Beyond on Halloween; FX Unveils Simpsons World
Hogan's Heroes Returns to TV Land; CBS All Access Service Includes Classic TV
Week 4 TV Ratings and Analysis; How the Sitcoms Did
SitcomsOnline Digest: CBS Introduces CBS All Access; Even More Remakes of Classic TV Series Under Consideration; New Family Guy DVDs
Friends Coming to Netflix in January 2015; Sitcom Stars on Talk Shows (Week of October 20, 2014)


New on DVD/Blu-ray (October/November/December)

WKRP in Cincinnati - The Complete Series Sgt. Bilko - The Phil Silvers Show - The Complete Series Family Ties - The Complete Series Happy Days - The Sixth Season The Jeffersons - The Complete Series Mork & Mindy - The Complete Series

10/07 - The Dick Van Dyke Show - Classic Christmas Episodes
10/07 - The Flying Nun - The Complete First and Second Seasons (Mill Creek)
10/07 - The Middle - The Complete Fifth Season (Warner Archive)
10/07 - The Office - The Complete Series
10/07 - The Wonder Years - Season One
10/10 - The Wonder Years - The Complete Series - Read Our Review / The Signature Edition / Seasons 1-3
10/14 - 2 Broke Girls - The Complete Third Season
10/14 - Two and a Half Men - The Complete Eleventh Season
10/21 - Married with Children - Seasons 5 and 6 (Mill Crek)
10/21 - The Soul Man - The Complete Second Season
10/21 - Square Pegs - The Complete Series (Mill Creek)
10/28 - WKRP in Cincinnati - The Complete Series
11/04 - Hot in Cleveland - Season Five
11/04 - Napoleon Dynamite - The Complete Animated Series
11/04 - Sgt. Bilko (The Phil Silvers Show) - The Complete Series
11/11 - Dads - The Complete Series
11/11 - Family Ties - The Complete Series
11/11 - My Favorite Martian - Best of Collection
11/11 - Taxi - The Complete Series
11/11 - Wings - The Complete Series (Mill Creek)
11/18 - King of the Hill - The Complete Seventh Season / The Complete Eighth Season
11/25 - Better Off Ted - The Complete Second Season
12/02 - Happy Days - The Sixth Season
12/09 - Barney Miller - The Complete Sixth Season
12/09 - The Jeffersons - The Complete Series
12/09 - Mister Ed - The Complete Series
12/09 - Mork & Mindy - The Fourth Season / The Complete Series
12/16 - The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis - The Final (Fourth) Season
12/23 - My Favorite Martian - Season Two - Collector's Edition
More TV DVD Releases / DVD Reviews Archive / SitcomsOnline Digest


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-29-2009, 02:46 PM   #1
patrickinstardom
Occasional Poster
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 03, 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 16
Default Lucy's tape facelift (hour shows)... did she really look better?

Hey,

As many fans know, Lucy started with wigs and her tape facelift (as she never wanted real plastic surgery) on the third episode of The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour: Lucy Hunts Uranium. Ethel makes a brief reference to her new hair style.

I admit I looked at an earlier episode of the Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour... because of the hair she does look different, but I wouldn't say she looks better.

The change is so subtle, but not so because the new hair made her look so different.

It seems to me that when her later series were on, such as "Here's Lucy," you notice the wig more and her eyebrow placement and thus maybe she made the "lift" tighter?

But I don't know how much better it made her look. Lucy herself says she liked how much better she looked, and the fact she felt it hampered her physical comedy was okay because of this... this is what I remember from "The Lucy Book." Of course, she adjusted and got used to it and thus everything worked out... in other words she didn't look frozen.

But you know how it is; we are our own worst critic and a little reduction of lines may not be noticeable to the general public but is noticeable to us under bathroom style lights.

What are people's thoughts?

I am a very visual person and I didn't notice very much difference in her face beauty-wise. Maybe there was a tiny bit of sagginess that was lifted, but really it was minuscule.

Also, what I notice is that the eyebrow position might have changed, but it doesn't really lift anything to make a difference. The wig made her look different.

This is my observation from her Lucy-Desi Comedy Hours.

Comments are greatly appreciated!

~Patrick
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2009, 03:29 AM   #2
TV_on_the_Porch
Forum Regular
anything good on?
 
TV_on_the_Porch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 18, 2005
Posts: 778
Default

Interesting, as I had read that Lucy's first use of tape lifts was at the suggestion of Ann Sothern at the time of Lucy's appearance on The Ann Sothern Show in 1959.

A picture of the Arnaz family on the steps of an airplane taken at about the same time showed that, at this stage, Lucy without makeup looked very weather-worn.

During the Lucy Show years I think the TV makeup was not only necessary but quite effective in that it did make her look better if not much younger. Candy Moore on the other hand has said she didn't see why Lucy subjected herself to the rigors of such extreme makeup, saying she was a "handsome woman" without it.

It seems to me the Here's Lucy years took the greatest toll on her appearance, in some ways to an even greater degree than the 12 years between Here's Lucy and Life With Lucy. I mean, in 1968 she did that 'glamor shot' for the opening sequence and almost looks like Lucy Ricardo in it. But at some point during the next 6 years her makeup morphed into the mummified appearance that she had in the specials of the late 70s and early 80s.

In fact, her hair and makeup for Life With Lucy were the same as the final season of Here's Lucy and it's surprising how little different she looks. But then, her longtime makeup artist Hal King said years later "toward the end it was awfully hard to make Lucy look good" and the 'end' he speaks of is ca. 1973. After that, it was just a matter of doing the best she could.

You might think that at that point it was time to stop bothering to crank her face, but there's also the story of the little child who met her backstage ca. 1970 and, knowing no better, said "Lucy, what happened to your face??" I have seen candid pictures of her from around that time which confirm that the difference between candid Lucy and a well lighted and fully made-up Lucy is startling.

It's sad really when you think about it...her choices were appear unnaturally painted and lifted or brutally reveal her aged appearance. If you haven't seen a picture of an un-made-up elderly Lucy, you can't appreciate the appropriateness of my word choice.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2009, 07:17 PM   #3
LittleRickyII
Senior Member
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 22, 2009
Location: California
Posts: 1,503
Default

I also was under the impression that the tape/bandage procedure under the wig didn't begin until much later than the Uranium special. I could be wrong, but I thought it was later. As for the position of her eyebrows, Lucy claimed that back in the 30s, she plucked her eyebrows so much they never grew back. So the eyebrows you see later on were just painted lines on her face, not actual eyebrows. If you look at very close-up shots of her, it seems this is true. If so, I'm glad she painted painted on these eyebrows because a face without eyebrows would look really strange.

As for whether she needed this bandage procedure done, I do agree it made a great difference. I remember seeing a picture of her at a private party in 1970, standing with Gary and Desi. She looked considerably older in that photo than she did on Here's Lucy at the time.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2009, 11:33 PM   #4
gidgetgrape
Senior Member
Member
 
gidgetgrape's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 20, 2003
Posts: 2,659
Default

I'm totally bias, but I think Lucy looked great - generally younger than a woman her age. Her slender figure contributed to her youthfulness. Smoking didn't help skin (or her heart), but she was an attractive woman from the beginning to the end.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2009, 07:09 PM   #5
Jude The Obscure
Senior Member
Retired
 
Join Date: Dec 10, 2006
Posts: 7,404
Default

Not to mention that attitude plays a part in our appearance, the early seasons of HL to me, she looks more vibrant and energetic than the last 3 seasons of The Lucy Show! HL represented a new era for Lucy--working with her kids, getting back the old ILL writers and having Viv for occasional appearances--really gave her an oomph that showed in her appearance, IMO.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2010, 10:45 PM   #6
patrickinstardom
Occasional Poster
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 03, 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 16
Default

Well, according to "The Lucy Book," the facelift and wig procedure started with the third Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour... and I can see she looks different.

But I do have to agree that she did look overly done in later years. There are photos of her where she looks like she's trying too hard to turn back the clock. I know people have different opinions about this.

Depending on the photo during the Here's Lucy period, she looked either better or worse... I'm referring to just her in make-up - publicity photos. It seems to me that she looked different in the series itself than in photos; she wore her makeup differently perhaps. The photo used for the Here's Lucy Season One disc set shows someone, to me, who's trying "too hard" to hold back time.

Even the shot used during the opening sequence of Here's Lucy (shot back in 1968) was not the most flattering IMO... she looked younger in the series itself... then it may have to do with the camera work and makeup used uniquely for such shots.

She looked fabulous many times in Here's Lucy; not in publicity photographs; her huge painted eyebrows are a little startling. I think they should have thinned it a little bit.

Anyway, that's my opinion. Here's a tidbit from "The Lucy Book" about her "facelift" - it's taken from the section on the third episode of "The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour" when she started with the facelift / wig trick.

From pp. 121-122:

Quote by Irma Kusely (I included the entire quote by Irma, which talks about Lucille's hair in general as well as the wigs):

"That 'bun' hairstyle was Lucille's idea. Neither Bert French nor I ever liked it. I kept asking Lucille to let me cut it and give her a more modern look. She resisted, because Desi liked long hair. Finally, I proposed the idea of her using a wig, jjust to see what it would look like. I bleached the hair all around her hairline so none of it would show through, and ordered a stylish, short wig.
From this point forward (with a couple of exceptions), every time you saw Lucille Ball in public, she was wearing a wig ordered and styled by me. The wigs gave me an opportunity to bandage her skull and help smooth out the wrinkles. I made little braids in special places, then pin curls with the rest of her hair. Then I had a hose stocking cap I used, covered by a skull bandage. I made it very tight, making both her head and face a smooth surface. Then I put the wig on, made an eighth of an inch shorter than her own hair, matching her own hair line. Eventually, Lucille cut her own hair as well. Although the process could sometimes be painful, I made it as comfortable for her as possible. After awhile, she hardly knew the difference."

Lucille Ball's comment follows:

"I didn't like the "clamps" at first. I felt like I couldn't move my face, and that it hampered my comedy. But there was no denying how much better I looked on film. Irma was right."

~Patrick
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2010, 09:47 AM   #7
Lodee
Senior Member
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 12, 2003
Posts: 1,559
Default

Can you imagine how painful that had to be! Yikes! She did look good though so I guess to her it was worth it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2010, 09:59 PM   #8
LittleRickyII
Senior Member
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 22, 2009
Location: California
Posts: 1,503
Default

That quote isn't really telling me that the temporary facelift coincided with wearing wigs. Irma says she first proposed the wig to Lucille -- not the wig and the facelift, just the wig -- to see what it looked like, not that she proposed it so they could do the tape procedure. And she seems to be implying that, once Lucy started wearing the wigs, that then gave her the opportunity to do the facelift procedure. I was under the impression, just by looking at the shows, that the facelift thing didn't start until after the first several episodes of TLS because, in the first batch of episodes, her skin looks kind of saggy to me. If I remember correctly, it was in the "Astronaut" episode that (to me) her skin suddenly seemed more taut.

Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickinstardom
Well, according to "The Lucy Book," the facelift and wig procedure started with the third Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour... and I can see she looks different.

But I do have to agree that she did look overly done in later years. There are photos of her where she looks like she's trying too hard to turn back the clock. I know people have different opinions about this.

Depending on the photo during the Here's Lucy period, she looked either better or worse... I'm referring to just her in make-up - publicity photos. It seems to me that she looked different in the series itself than in photos; she wore her makeup differently perhaps. The photo used for the Here's Lucy Season One disc set shows someone, to me, who's trying "too hard" to hold back time.

Even the shot used during the opening sequence of Here's Lucy (shot back in 1968) was not the most flattering IMO... she looked younger in the series itself... then it may have to do with the camera work and makeup used uniquely for such shots.

She looked fabulous many times in Here's Lucy; not in publicity photographs; her huge painted eyebrows are a little startling. I think they should have thinned it a little bit.

Anyway, that's my opinion. Here's a tidbit from "The Lucy Book" about her "facelift" - it's taken from the section on the third episode of "The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour" when she started with the facelift / wig trick.

From pp. 121-122:

Quote by Irma Kusely (I included the entire quote by Irma, which talks about Lucille's hair in general as well as the wigs):

"That 'bun' hairstyle was Lucille's idea. Neither Bert French nor I ever liked it. I kept asking Lucille to let me cut it and give her a more modern look. She resisted, because Desi liked long hair. Finally, I proposed the idea of her using a wig, jjust to see what it would look like. I bleached the hair all around her hairline so none of it would show through, and ordered a stylish, short wig.
From this point forward (with a couple of exceptions), every time you saw Lucille Ball in public, she was wearing a wig ordered and styled by me. The wigs gave me an opportunity to bandage her skull and help smooth out the wrinkles. I made little braids in special places, then pin curls with the rest of her hair. Then I had a hose stocking cap I used, covered by a skull bandage. I made it very tight, making both her head and face a smooth surface. Then I put the wig on, made an eighth of an inch shorter than her own hair, matching her own hair line. Eventually, Lucille cut her own hair as well. Although the process could sometimes be painful, I made it as comfortable for her as possible. After awhile, she hardly knew the difference."

Lucille Ball's comment follows:

"I didn't like the "clamps" at first. I felt like I couldn't move my face, and that it hampered my comedy. But there was no denying how much better I looked on film. Irma was right."

~Patrick
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2010, 11:13 PM   #9
Marvo301
Forum Veteran
I got a rock.
 
Marvo301's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 17, 2002
Location: The Great White North
Posts: 17,815
Cool

Unfortunately for Lucy there is no procedure to erase the effects of decades of cigarette smoking.
__________________
Only a life lived for others is worth living. Alfred Einstein

A life isn't worth living unless it has impact on other lives. Jackie Robinson

Be always at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let each new year find you a better man. Benjamin Franklin
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2010, 07:03 AM   #10
80sTrivia
Forum Veteran
Pop Culture Soothsayer
 
80sTrivia's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 23, 2002
Location: Lake Dreamland
Posts: 10,758
Default

Wow, that procedure sounds complicated! I guess it must have worked, because Lucy's face was fairly smooth until her later years in life.
__________________
Perfect Gifts for the Pop Culture Fanatic:

Thank You for Being a Friend: A Golden Girls Trivia Book

The Totally Awesome 80s TV Trivia Book!
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2010, 03:00 PM   #11
LittleRickyII
Senior Member
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 22, 2009
Location: California
Posts: 1,503
Default

I think people tend to be a bit harsh on Lucy regarding her makeup during the TLS and HL years. You've got to keep in mind that heavy makeup -- false eyelashes, mascara, eye shadow -- was very much in vogue during that time. There was nothing unusual about the amount of makeup she wore.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Elizabeth_Taylor.jpg (24.1 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg liza and cher.jpg (221.9 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg twiggygg6.jpg (34.7 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg MTM.jpg (26.0 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg marlothomas.jpg (17.3 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg BarbaraEden4.jpg (40.7 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg Lucille Ball_ladys.circle.68.12.jpg (31.1 KB, 0 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2010, 11:15 PM   #12
lucyandethel
Forum Regular
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 18, 2009
Location: Los Angeles CA
Posts: 432
Default

I always found that a rather odd notion...TAPING your face. I haven't a clue how one "successfully" does that. I think there was an attempt, perhaps solely on Lucy's wishes, to give a more clown-like appearance. Carol Burnett had similar makeup procedures. To give more exaggerated facial features, a more clown-like look.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2010, 12:17 AM   #13
LittleRickyII
Senior Member
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 22, 2009
Location: California
Posts: 1,503
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lucyandethel
I always found that a rather odd notion...TAPING your face. I haven't a clue how one "successfully" does that. I think there was an attempt, perhaps solely on Lucy's wishes, to give a more clown-like appearance. Carol Burnett had similar makeup procedures. To give more exaggerated facial features, a more clown-like look.

Yes, that is true, at least with respect to her lipstick. She made her lips appear larger with the lipstick to draw attention to her mouth and her expressions.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2012, 12:22 PM   #14
luv50slucy
First Time Poster
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 16, 2012
Posts: 1
Default

When she changed her look she lost her character and what made her funny. Her expressions changed. On I love Lucy she could make me laugh with just a look. She looked like a completely different person on The Lucy show. I agree the closest she ever came to looking like Lucy Richardo was the glamor shot in the Here's Lucy theme. I wished she had that look the whole series. It would have been so much better.
  Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:45 AM.


Although the administrators and moderators of the Sitcoms Online Message Boards will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of the Sitcoms Online Message Boards, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message. The owners of the Sitcoms Online Message Boards reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.5.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.