Soldier Refuses to Deploy Because Obama isn't A U.S. Citizen! - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

Brian Damage · 07-14-2009, 03:42 PM

COLUMBUS, Ga. — U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook is seeking a federal court order to stall and eventually prevent an upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.

In the 20-page document — filed July 8 with the United States District Court, Middle District of Georgia — Cook's California-based attorney, Orly Taitz, asks the court to consider granting his client's request based upon Cook's belief that President Barrack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of U.S Armed Forces.

Cook further states he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command, and that Plaintiff would thus be simultaneously unable to perform his duties in good Rule 65(b) Application for Temporary Restraining Order 22 conscience and yet be simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties."

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...y/1139969.html

Fleet · 07-14-2009, 04:45 PM

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Pres. Obama's background must have been thoroughly checked out before being allowed to be a Presidential candidate. Or, I would have thought so, anyway.

bandito · 07-14-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fleet

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Pres. Obama's background must have been thoroughly checked out before being allowed to be a Presidential candidate. Or, I would have thought so, anyway.

Still waiting to see his birth certificate.

James"Thunder"Early · 07-14-2009, 06:47 PM

How pathetic to shirk the duty you promised to your country because you don't like the President. And for the record, even the Republican Governor of Hawaii confirmed that his birth certificate was legal and you know if it really wasn't she would have raised concern. It's been debunked http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

Hollow · 07-14-2009, 07:46 PM

*Pleasant Tomorrow* · 07-14-2009, 08:27 PM

Tweety · 07-16-2009, 11:35 AM

Looks like Obama, rather than simply producing his birth certificate, has ordered that Major Cook does not have to deploy.

Soldier Who Claims Obama Isn't Legal President Doesn't Have to Deploy

A reserve soldier has been granted his request not to deploy to Afghanistan because he believes Barack Obama's presidency is not legitimate, the Columbus, Ga., Ledger-Enquirer reported Wednesday.

U.S. Army Major Stefan Frederick Cook, who volunteered for duty in May, says he would be committing a crime to serve under Obama because he believes Obama was born outside of the United States, making him ineligible to become president.

Lt. Col. Maria Quon, an Army spokeswoman, told the newspaper that Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty.

Cook filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector through his attorney, Orly Taitz, the newspaper reported.

Taitz, who has challenged the legitimacy of Obama's presidency in other courts, asked the court to consider granting her client's request based upon Cook's belief that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Cook states he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President's command, simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties."

Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state.

Cook is an "individual mobilization augmentee," or a reserve soldier assigned to an active component unit for duty, the newspaper said. He submitted a formal written request to Human Resources Command-St. Louis on May 8 volunteering to serve on year in Afghanistan.

A hearing on Cook's request will take place Thursday in federal court in Columbus, Ga.

Incidentally, Cook did not have to hire a lawyer to refuse his orders to go to Afghanistan. As a reserve soldier and volunteer, he has the right to revoke his deployment orders.

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Funny though, I always thought that people who objected to all the fighting were the true heroes of this country. Now all of a sudden, this guy's getting ripped by the left. I would think the anti-national-defense people would be taking his side in this.

Tweety · 07-21-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by James"Thunder"Early

How pathetic to shirk the duty you promised to your country because you don't like the President. And for the record, even the Republican Governor of Hawaii confirmed that his birth certificate was legal and you know if it really wasn't she would have raised concern. It's been debunked http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

just an FYI, a Certification of Live Birth is not the same as a Birth Certificate.
No one has actually seen the birth certificate. The two are not equal.

Difference between Birth Certificate and Certification of Live Birth

State of Hawaii Says Obama “Birth Certificate” Not Valid

Tweety · 07-21-2009, 10:37 PM

Re: The Executive Order 13489, signed by Obama on January 21

____________________________________________________

On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489.

For those of you who can’t take the time to read it. here is the section that applies:

“Sec.2

Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records

When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”

The first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released?

This is the subject that was at the absolute top of his agenda?

____________________________________________________

The records in Hawaii were sealed on Obama's orders, not the governors.

LuLu Rogers · 07-21-2009, 10:52 PM

Perhaps it's because he wasn't born in the United States?

I honestly can't believe that we're letting this man run our country and we have no idea if he's even American born. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time I checked that's a requirement to become president.

JT · 07-22-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LuLu Rogers

I honestly can't believe that we're letting this man run our country and we have no idea if he's even American born. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time I checked that's a requirement to become president.

No, it is not.

LuLu Rogers · 07-22-2009, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JT

No, it is not.

It's not? Oh well, I guess everything I learned in my History and Government classes throughout my life were wrong then.

GeorgeWBushGOP · 07-22-2009, 09:02 AM

McCain wasn't born in the U.S.A. so I don't think it is.

JT · 07-22-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeWBushGOP

McCain wasn't born in the U.S.A. so I don't think it is.

McCain was born in a US-controlled zone of Panama, so I think that's considered part of the US.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuLu Rogers

It's not? Oh well, I guess everything I learned in my History and Government classes throughout my life were wrong then.

Anyone born in another country can run for president if their parents were US citizens at their birth.

Tweety · 07-22-2009, 10:35 AM

The phrase "natural born citizen" is not defined in the Constitution.

Ted Olsen and Lawrence Tribe were commissioned by the McCain campaign to research the issue and issued a statement re: McCain's citizenship:

"...Their conclusion: "Based on the original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers' intentions, and subsequent legal and historical precedent, Senator McCain's birth to parents who were U.S. citizens, serving on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, makes him a 'natural born citizen' within the meaning of the Constitution."

Tribe, a professor at Harvard Law School, told PolitiFact the issue is clear. McCain meets the requirements for "natural born citizen" on two fronts, he said.

First, both his parents are U.S. citizens. The First Congress in 1790 established that children of U.S. citizens "born beyond the sea or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

Secondly, Tribe said, McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, a sovereign U.S. territory at the time of McCain's birth.

"Either of them would suffice to make him a natural born citizen," Tribe said. "Both together make it a clear case."
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There really isn't any dispute about where McCain or Goldwater were born... in Obama's case, he refuses to produce a birth certificate.

Also, his father was subject to British Nationality Law, and Obama's citizenship at birth was, in part, determined by the British Nationality Act... so it could get complicated. Obama could settle it by actually releasing his birth certificate, but he refuses to do so.

Obama also has an aunt that remembers the day he was born, she said he was born in Kenya, lol.

The first thing Obama did when he took office was seal his so-called birth records. That's a strange thing for a President to do, especially on his first day.

07-14-2009, 03:42 PM	#1
Brian Damage Moderator Forum Legend I'm Rich Bitch Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 62,155	Soldier Refuses to Deploy Because Obama isn't A U.S. Citizen! COLUMBUS, Ga. — U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook is seeking a federal court order to stall and eventually prevent an upcoming deployment to Afghanistan. In the 20-page document — filed July 8 with the United States District Court, Middle District of Georgia — Cook's California-based attorney, Orly Taitz, asks the court to consider granting his client's request based upon Cook's belief that President Barrack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of U.S Armed Forces. Cook further states he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command, and that Plaintiff would thus be simultaneously unable to perform his duties in good Rule 65(b) Application for Temporary Restraining Order 22 conscience and yet be simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties." http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...y/1139969.html __________________ The Key to the Kingdom of Heaven: John 3:3 *Money Doesn't Buy Happiness...But I'd Rather Cry in My Private Jet*

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Fleet Forum Veteran Mansions, limousines & H-ween Join Date: Jan 06, 2002 Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, California Posts: 14,391	It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Pres. Obama's background must have been thoroughly checked out before being allowed to be a Presidential candidate. Or, I would have thought so, anyway. __________________ The top 1% of wage earners pay 37% of all income taxes; the top 25% pay 86% of all income taxes. A real marriage: "We are gathered here today to join this man and this woman in holy matrimony."

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James"Thunder"Early Moderator Whoever's In New England Join Date: Feb 23, 2004 Location: The Apollo Posts: 6,909	How pathetic to shirk the duty you promised to your country because you don't like the President. And for the record, even the Republican Governor of Hawaii confirmed that his birth certificate was legal and you know if it really wasn't she would have raised concern. It's been debunked http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp __________________ Esther Anderson: Get thee behind me, Satan, but I'm gon' get behind you, 'cause I'm gonna put my foot in your--- Peggy Mitchell: Get outta my pub! You better pray you get the last laugh, it's a kick in the teeth when you don't get it.

07-14-2009, 08:27 PM	#6
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LuLu Rogers Forum Veteran Colonel Brandon Join Date: Mar 23, 2004 Location: The Hogwarts Dungeons Posts: 10,992	Perhaps it's because he wasn't born in the United States? I honestly can't believe that we're letting this man run our country and we have no idea if he's even American born. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time I checked that's a requirement to become president. __________________ -Lauren- "I can teach you how to bewitch the mind and ensnare the senses. I can tell you how to bottle fame, brew glory, and even put a stopper in death."-Professor Severus Snape

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07-16-2009, 11:35 AM	#7
Tweety Senior Member Member Join Date: Jan 18, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 6,266	Looks like Obama, rather than simply producing his birth certificate, has ordered that Major Cook does not have to deploy. Soldier Who Claims Obama Isn't Legal President Doesn't Have to Deploy A reserve soldier has been granted his request not to deploy to Afghanistan because he believes Barack Obama's presidency is not legitimate, the Columbus, Ga., Ledger-Enquirer reported Wednesday. U.S. Army Major Stefan Frederick Cook, who volunteered for duty in May, says he would be committing a crime to serve under Obama because he believes Obama was born outside of the United States, making him ineligible to become president. Lt. Col. Maria Quon, an Army spokeswoman, told the newspaper that Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty. Cook filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector through his attorney, Orly Taitz, the newspaper reported. Taitz, who has challenged the legitimacy of Obama's presidency in other courts, asked the court to consider granting her client's request based upon Cook's belief that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces. Cook states he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President's command, simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties." Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after it became a state. Cook is an "individual mobilization augmentee," or a reserve soldier assigned to an active component unit for duty, the newspaper said. He submitted a formal written request to Human Resources Command-St. Louis on May 8 volunteering to serve on year in Afghanistan. A hearing on Cook's request will take place Thursday in federal court in Columbus, Ga. Incidentally, Cook did not have to hire a lawyer to refuse his orders to go to Afghanistan. As a reserve soldier and volunteer, he has the right to revoke his deployment orders. __________________________________________ Funny though, I always thought that people who objected to all the fighting were the true heroes of this country. Now all of a sudden, this guy's getting ripped by the left. I would think the anti-national-defense people would be taking his side in this.

07-21-2009, 10:37 PM	#9
Tweety Senior Member Member Join Date: Jan 18, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 6,266	Re: The Executive Order 13489, signed by Obama on January 21 ____________________________________________________ On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489. For those of you who can’t take the time to read it. here is the section that applies: “Sec.2 Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.” The first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released? This is the subject that was at the absolute top of his agenda? ____________________________________________________ The records in Hawaii were sealed on Obama's orders, not the governors.

07-22-2009, 09:02 AM	#13
GeorgeWBushGOP Forum Regular Member Join Date: Sep 04, 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 750	McCain wasn't born in the U.S.A. so I don't think it is.

07-22-2009, 10:35 AM	#15
Tweety Senior Member Member Join Date: Jan 18, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 6,266	The phrase "natural born citizen" is not defined in the Constitution. Ted Olsen and Lawrence Tribe were commissioned by the McCain campaign to research the issue and issued a statement re: McCain's citizenship: "...Their conclusion: "Based on the original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers' intentions, and subsequent legal and historical precedent, Senator McCain's birth to parents who were U.S. citizens, serving on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, makes him a 'natural born citizen' within the meaning of the Constitution." Tribe, a professor at Harvard Law School, told PolitiFact the issue is clear. McCain meets the requirements for "natural born citizen" on two fronts, he said. First, both his parents are U.S. citizens. The First Congress in 1790 established that children of U.S. citizens "born beyond the sea or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." Secondly, Tribe said, McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, a sovereign U.S. territory at the time of McCain's birth. "Either of them would suffice to make him a natural born citizen," Tribe said. "Both together make it a clear case." _______________________________________________ There really isn't any dispute about where McCain or Goldwater were born... in Obama's case, he refuses to produce a birth certificate. Also, his father was subject to British Nationality Law, and Obama's citizenship at birth was, in part, determined by the British Nationality Act... so it could get complicated. Obama could settle it by actually releasing his birth certificate, but he refuses to do so. Obama also has an aunt that remembers the day he was born, she said he was born in Kenya, lol. The first thing Obama did when he took office was seal his so-called birth records. That's a strange thing for a President to do, especially on his first day.

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