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catlover79 · 01-14-2009, 12:55 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090114/...d_for_marriage

SAN FRANCISCO – A California man has been arrested for arranging for his 14-year-old daughter to marry a neighbor in exchange for $16,000, 100 cases of beer and several cases of meat, police said.

Authorities in Greenfield, a farming community on California's central coast, said they learned of the deal after Marcelino de Jesus Martinez, 36, asked them for help getting back his daughter after payment wasn't made.

Martinez was arrested Sunday. He's scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday in Monterey County Superior Court on felony charges of procuring a child under age 16 for lewd and lascivious acts, statutory rape and cruelty to a child by endangering health, according to the prosecutor.

The prosecutor's office said Martinez did not have an attorney of record yet.

Police also arrested the intended groom, 18-year-old Margarito de Jesus Galindo, on suspicion of statutory rape, but prosecutors have not decided whether to charge him. Police did not return a message Tuesday for information on whether Galindo had an attorney.

Martinez is a member of an indigenous Mexican Trique community. Greenfield police Chief Joe Grebmeier said the case highlights an issue confronting local authorities in that arranged marriages with girls as young as 12 are not uncommon among the Trique.

He hesitated to say the girl was being sold into marriage, as the money was intended as a dowry and the beer and meat were for the wedding. But, he added, the arrangement violates California law, where the age of consent for marriage is 18, and with parental approval, 16.

"This is not a traditional trafficking case because there is no force or coercion in this," Grebmeier said. "We're aware of the cultural issues here, but state law trumps cultural sensitivity."

Grebmeier is planning to meet with leaders in the Trique community to talk about how some cultural practices might conflict with California law.

"Initially, when everyone was talking to us, we learned a lot because they had no realization that it's against the law — an arranged marriage for money with a minor," Grebmeier said.

Many Trique immigrants are part of the stream of farmworkers who tend California's fruit and vegetable fields, living in communities scattered along the coast and the state's agricultural Central Valley. The often speak only Trique, an indigenous language, and come from villages with cultural traditions that set them apart from other Mexicans.

Service organizations have been working to help them integrate, said Jonathan Fox, a professor of Latin American and Latino Studies at the University of California, Santa Cruz, who has worked extensively with indigenous immigrants.

"This is certainly not the first such case I've heard of," he said of the marriage involving an underage girl.

Members of the indigenous community protested the news reports and public discussion of the case, saying they were painted in a very negative light.

"No one put a 'for sale' sign on this girl, and that's how it sounds," said Rufino Dominguez, an indigenous immigrant and head of the Greenfield office of the Binational Center for the Development of the Indigenous Communities.

He said arranging marriages and exchanging goods that will contribute to the wedding party are common, but money is not usually part of the transaction. When that does happen, it's not seen well within the community, he said.

"Most people don't agree with it," he said.

Police learned of the deal in mid-December, when Martinez reported his daughter as a runaway. Further investigation found the girl had not fled but moved in with Galindo as part of the marriage arrangement. Grebmeier said the girl was a willing party to the deal.

Martinez would face at least a year in prison if convicted. Because he's an undocumented immigrant, he's under an immigration hold and is not eligible for bail.

___

Associated Press Writer Marcus Wohlsen contributed to this report.

Marvo301 · 01-14-2009, 01:08 AM

Yikes!!!!!!!

catlover79 · 01-14-2009, 01:10 AM

$16,000, 100 cases of beer and several cases of meat (?). I'm just glad this guy's not MY dad.

Poor kid.

DVDFreaker · 01-14-2009, 03:44 AM

What is he planning to do with $16,000 anyway? Pay his daughter's $16,000 wedding?

Lee · 01-14-2009, 05:08 AM

What do you think will happen to this 14-year old girl? How do you think
this has affected her? What do you think should happen to the father?

sunshinefizzy · 01-14-2009, 06:55 AM

What the hell???

comedyfreak · 01-14-2009, 08:24 AM

This sort of thing is common in remote parts of Mexico, the guy needs to learn about American culture. I say deport.

browneyes106 · 01-14-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by comedyfreak

This sort of thing is common in remote parts of Mexico, the guy needs to learn about American culture. I say deport.

I agree.

Chocoholic · 01-14-2009, 09:28 AM

I feel sorry for the girl. That stuff shouldn't happen.

Furienna · 01-18-2009, 03:31 AM

Can someone explain to me what "indigenous immigrant" means? It sounds like a total oxymoron to me.

waichingliu81 · 01-18-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Furienna

Can someone explain to me what "indigenous immigrant" means? It sounds like a total oxymoron to me.

well, 'indigenous' means native, as in chinese, african, indian for example and immigrant, well you know means is a person who arrived at another country from their original country of birth. hope this helps

TJL · 01-18-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by comedyfreak

This sort of thing is common in remote parts of Mexico, the guy needs to learn about American culture. I say deport.

As much as America is trying to be PC and "culturally sensitive" to the needs of our many residents from another land, bottom line is, we have things called laws here, and if they clash with your cultures rules - well, sorry to say this, but tough luck.

Our house, our rules.

Yeah, that probably makes us look like jerks in a multi cultural world, but come on, you're trading your daughter for a case of meat!

catlover79 · 01-18-2009, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJL

As much as America is trying to be PC and "culturally sensitive" to the needs of our many residents from another land, bottom line is, we have things called laws here, and if they clash with your cultures rules - well, sorry to say this, but tough luck.

Our house, our rules.

Yeah, that probably makes us look like jerks in a multi cultural world, but come on, you're trading your daughter for a case of meat!

Don't forget about the beer, Tom.

Pus$y Galore · 01-18-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by catlover79

Don't forget about the beer, Tom.

Yah - I'd figure that would be the sale clincher for Tom!

At least the guy doesn't have a backyard of goats or sheep that he's wanting to trade. Sounds fair enough to me.

catlover79 · 01-18-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TripperFan

Yah - I'd figure that would be the sale clincher for Tom!

At least the guy doesn't have a backyard of goats or sheep that he's wanting to trade. Sounds fair enough to me.

I don't think there's enough beer in the world for Tom - and I mean that in the best possible way.

01-14-2009, 12:55 AM	#1
catlover79 Moderator Forum Legend God Bless Val Join Date: May 29, 2006 Location: Bewitched in Ohio Posts: 67,635	Police: Calif. dad sold 14-year-old into marriage http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090114/...d_for_marriage SAN FRANCISCO – A California man has been arrested for arranging for his 14-year-old daughter to marry a neighbor in exchange for $16,000, 100 cases of beer and several cases of meat, police said. Authorities in Greenfield, a farming community on California's central coast, said they learned of the deal after Marcelino de Jesus Martinez, 36, asked them for help getting back his daughter after payment wasn't made. Martinez was arrested Sunday. He's scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday in Monterey County Superior Court on felony charges of procuring a child under age 16 for lewd and lascivious acts, statutory rape and cruelty to a child by endangering health, according to the prosecutor. The prosecutor's office said Martinez did not have an attorney of record yet. Police also arrested the intended groom, 18-year-old Margarito de Jesus Galindo, on suspicion of statutory rape, but prosecutors have not decided whether to charge him. Police did not return a message Tuesday for information on whether Galindo had an attorney. Martinez is a member of an indigenous Mexican Trique community. Greenfield police Chief Joe Grebmeier said the case highlights an issue confronting local authorities in that arranged marriages with girls as young as 12 are not uncommon among the Trique. He hesitated to say the girl was being sold into marriage, as the money was intended as a dowry and the beer and meat were for the wedding. But, he added, the arrangement violates California law, where the age of consent for marriage is 18, and with parental approval, 16. "This is not a traditional trafficking case because there is no force or coercion in this," Grebmeier said. "We're aware of the cultural issues here, but state law trumps cultural sensitivity." Grebmeier is planning to meet with leaders in the Trique community to talk about how some cultural practices might conflict with California law. "Initially, when everyone was talking to us, we learned a lot because they had no realization that it's against the law — an arranged marriage for money with a minor," Grebmeier said. Many Trique immigrants are part of the stream of farmworkers who tend California's fruit and vegetable fields, living in communities scattered along the coast and the state's agricultural Central Valley. The often speak only Trique, an indigenous language, and come from villages with cultural traditions that set them apart from other Mexicans. Service organizations have been working to help them integrate, said Jonathan Fox, a professor of Latin American and Latino Studies at the University of California, Santa Cruz, who has worked extensively with indigenous immigrants. "This is certainly not the first such case I've heard of," he said of the marriage involving an underage girl. Members of the indigenous community protested the news reports and public discussion of the case, saying they were painted in a very negative light. "No one put a 'for sale' sign on this girl, and that's how it sounds," said Rufino Dominguez, an indigenous immigrant and head of the Greenfield office of the Binational Center for the Development of the Indigenous Communities. He said arranging marriages and exchanging goods that will contribute to the wedding party are common, but money is not usually part of the transaction. When that does happen, it's not seen well within the community, he said. "Most people don't agree with it," he said. Police learned of the deal in mid-December, when Martinez reported his daughter as a runaway. Further investigation found the girl had not fled but moved in with Galindo as part of the marriage arrangement. Grebmeier said the girl was a willing party to the deal. Martinez would face at least a year in prison if convicted. Because he's an undocumented immigrant, he's under an immigration hold and is not eligible for bail. ___ Associated Press Writer Marcus Wohlsen contributed to this report. __________________ "Jesus loves you and He approves this message." "I'm alive. I'm feeling good. I'm trying to live every moment as much as I can." - Valerie Harper, March 2013

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Marvo301 Forum Veteran I got a rock. Join Date: May 17, 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 16,479	Yikes!!!!!!! __________________ Only a life lived for others is worth living. Alfred Einstein A life isn't worth living unless it has impact on other lives. Jackie Robinson Be always at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let each new year find you a better man. Benjamin Franklin

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catlover79 Moderator Forum Legend God Bless Val Join Date: May 29, 2006 Location: Bewitched in Ohio Posts: 67,635	$16,000, 100 cases of beer and several cases of meat (?). I'm just glad this guy's not MY dad. Poor kid.

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DVDFreaker Banned!! Banned Join Date: Aug 23, 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 692	What is he planning to do with $16,000 anyway? Pay his daughter's $16,000 wedding?

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Lee Senior Member veteran member Join Date: May 23, 2001 Location: Caledonia, Mississippi Posts: 4,015	What do you think will happen to this 14-year old girl? How do you think this has affected her? What do you think should happen to the father?

01-14-2009, 06:55 AM	#6
sunshinefizzy Senior Member Member Join Date: Sep 27, 2006 Location: Craptown Posts: 2,043	What the hell???

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Chocoholic Banned!! Forum Veteran Banned Join Date: Dec 01, 2000 Location: Between a rock and a hard place. Posts: 11,173	I feel sorry for the girl. That stuff shouldn't happen.

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Furienna Senior Member Member Join Date: Oct 22, 2006 Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden Posts: 2,645	Can someone explain to me what "indigenous immigrant" means? It sounds like a total oxymoron to me.