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Old 01-06-2009, 03:04 PM   #31
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that's another instance of people treating the black race as if it's sacred, even if their intent is just to "prevent racism" rather than glorify blacks. blacks have to be treated with all this extra respect. they have to be referred to as "african americans" because "blacks" is totally degrading and offensive, but you can never describe an individual as being black or african american (only large groups), because that means that it's the only thing you notice about them, and therefore you're judging them, and therefore you're a racist.

it's the same way with other things too. according to society, women have to be treated with more respect than men. if, for example, people see a woman punching a man, they'll think "YOU GO GIRL! SHOW HIM WHO'S BOSS!" and if it's the other way around, they'll think "OMG DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!"

people are too sensitive about homophobia too, even though discrimination in this case is a widespread issue. if anyone merely states that gay marriage is wrong or that homosexuality is a choice, they get jumped all over and called a homophobic bigot, even if they said absolutely nothing about their opinion of gays. i've seen it happen on this board way too many times.

blacks are above whites, women are above men, and gay people are above straight people. so much for the "equality" that everyone claims to be aiming for. it's sickening.
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I prefer the term "African American" to "black." But my reason for that is because I think "African American" sounds more fancy and sophisticated than "black." Maybe that's just me being a snob?

But being a rather wordy person, I prefer African American, I just think it sounds better.
yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. it's only when people accuse others of being racist for using the term "black" that annoys me.
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yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. it's only when people accuse others of being racist for using the term "black" that annoys me.

Yes, I agree that it's silly for someone to accuse a person of being racist for using the term "black." I wouldn't think someone was being racist if they described me as white - if they kept calling me "Whitey" or something like that, that would annoy me though.

Similarly, though, I do really like the word "caucasian" for the reason that it sounds so cool and intelligent. Maybe I'm just into longer words. I also loved the part in Back to the Future when Doc referred to a school dance as a "rhythmic ceremonial ritual." I love Doc Brown!
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I'm black, and believe me, I agree with the sentiment that some people hide behind accusations of racism (for whatever reason). And as for the original topic of this thread, I too don't think that the OP should have had to rename the cake. The African Queen is a classic movie, and if anyone had a problem with the name, hopefully they wouldn't have one after an explanation.

But, on to the bigger issue. Someone once told me that they have a problem with black people "preserving their culture" because they feel that if white people "preserved their culture," it would be called racism. Okay. And what exactly is the "white culture" and has it ever been endangered to the point of needing to be "preserved?"

There's the "BET" issue. If there was a "WET," that would be considered racism. Personally, I don't really understand why BET was started. From what I understand, the founders wanted to have a place where black entertainers could be shown as they weren't shown as much as whites on the other channels. I would figure that the correct response to this would be to create a channel that shows an equal amount of the races that make up the majority of American entertainment. But maybe that's just me.

I turned down minority scholarships because I wanted to be rewarded for what's in me, not what color covers me, so please, don't think that I'm one of those crazed NAACP people who thinks that everybody is racist.

And also, since people who are easily offended by things are being called crybabies, does that also hold true for people who get in a tiff over so-called "foul language?" Seriously, folks, words are just words, and if you're going to be offended by a word, you're nuts. Keep in mind that most people aren't even offended by the meanings of the words, as there are countless synonyms for most cuss words. It's the actual words themselves. People are offended by the sounds that certain letters make when strung together. I could say "**** that," but that's offensive. But if I said "forget that," I mean the exact same thing...yet that's not offensive. Weird.
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And also, since people who are easily offended by things are being called crybabies, does that also hold true for people who get in a tiff over so-called "foul language?" Seriously, folks, words are just words, and if you're going to be offended by a word, you're nuts. Keep in mind that most people aren't even offended by the meanings of the words, as there are countless synonyms for most cuss words. It's the actual words themselves. People are offended by the sounds that certain letters make when strung together. I could say "**** that," but that's offensive. But if I said "forget that," I mean the exact same thing...yet that's not offensive. Weird.
It depends when and where. If you said f that that in front of someone's grandmother, a judge, teacher, etc, that would be out of place. Say it around your friends, no big deal. I don't think many people want to hear the f bomb left and right, on commercials, or tv in general.

I swear, but I know there's a time and a place for everything. The time to swear is not at my husband's grandson's birthday party. "What a great f'n toy, Joey! Nana, isn't that a great f'kn toy." Not cool. To me, it's a matter of respect. If swearing isn't allowed or if I know a person is offended by swearing, I don't swear. Words hurt, words offend. Words are sounds strung together. A sentence is those words strung together. What if that sentence insults a person. It doesn't matter because it's just sounds strung together. That makes no sense. Not many people want a society where profanity is allowed everywhere.
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It depends when and where. If you said f that that in front of someone's grandmother, a judge, teacher, etc, that would be out of place. Say it around your friends, no big deal. I don't think many people want to hear the f bomb left and right, on commercials, or tv in general.

I swear, but I know there's a time and a place for everything. The time to swear is not at my husband's grandson's birthday party. "What a great f'n toy, Joey! Nana, isn't that a great f'kn toy." Not cool. To me, it's a matter of respect. If swearing isn't allowed or if I know a person is offended by swearing, I don't swear. Words hurt, words offend. Words are sounds strung together. A sentence is those words strung together. What if that sentence insults a person. It doesn't matter because it's just sounds strung together. That makes no sense. Not many people want a society where profanity is allowed everywhere.
i agree. using those words around people you hardly know may give them a bad impression, because you're showing that you probably don't care whether or not they're offended by them. i use those words regularly, but when people i've just met are saying "**** this and **** that" to me, it comes off as impolite because they don't know how comfortable i am with it.
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It depends when and where. If you said f that that in front of someone's grandmother, a judge, teacher, etc, that would be out of place. Say it around your friends, no big deal. I don't think many people want to hear the f bomb left and right, on commercials, or tv in general.

I swear, but I know there's a time and a place for everything. The time to swear is not at my husband's grandson's birthday party. "What a great f'n toy, Joey! Nana, isn't that a great f'kn toy." Not cool. To me, it's a matter of respect. If swearing isn't allowed or if I know a person is offended by swearing, I don't swear. Words hurt, words offend. Words are sounds strung together. A sentence is those words strung together. What if that sentence insults a person. It doesn't matter because it's just sounds strung together. That makes no sense. Not many people want a society where profanity is allowed everywhere.
Seriously, I don't think that I'll ever fully understand it. How is a person offended by the F word? What about it offends them? Why are they bothered by it? Teachers have always told me that it's bad for me to cuss because it might offend someone. People are offended by cuss words because they "might offend" someone. That makes absolutely no sense at all.

But it goes into the topic of this thread. The general consensus here is that people shouldn't have to change the way they talk or do things just because someone might call it out as racist. Why should I limit my vocabulary because someone might call it "foul?" There's no personal meaning behind these words at all, so I just don't get it.
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i agree. using those words around people you hardly know may give them a bad impression, because you're showing that you probably don't care whether or not they're offended by them. i use those words regularly, but when people i've just met are saying "**** this and **** that" to me, it comes off as impolite because they don't know how comfortable i am with it.
I don't get it lol What's there to be uncomfortable about in the first place, though?

Maybe I need to spend some time studying the histories of these words. I can report what I find. Look for "The Big Book of Bull****!" coming to your local Barnes and Noble soon!
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Seriously, I don't think that I'll ever fully understand it. How is a person offended by the F word? What about it offends them? Why are they bothered by it? Teachers have always told me that it's bad for me to cuss because it might offend someone. People are offended by cuss words because they "might offend" someone. That makes absolutely no sense at all.

But it goes into the topic of this thread. The general consensus here is that people shouldn't have to change the way they talk or do things just because someone might call it out as racist. Why should I limit my vocabulary because someone might call it "foul?" There's no personal meaning behind these words at all, so I just don't get it.
It's the way society is structured. Profanity is offensive to most people. It's the reason it's filtered out on this and most other sites. It's not acceptable in many circumstances. To conflate phony racist charges with profanity makes no sense to me. I don't see the connection. You seem to want a world where profanity is accepted. It simply isn't, and I don't see it happening anytime soon. Most consider the words as ugly. It's just the way it is.
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It's the way society is structured. Profanity is offensive to most people. It's the reason it's filtered out on this and most other sites. It's not acceptable in many circumstances. To conflate phony racist charges with profanity makes no sense to me. I don't see the connection. You seem to want a world where profanity is accepted. It simply isn't, and I don't see it happening anytime soon. Most consider the words as ugly. It's just the way it is.
I'd rather see a world where profanity isn't considered profanity, but just a part of the world's vocabulary. Nothing makes those words worse than any other words besides the stigma that society's put on them for no reason, but that's really neither here nor there. I personally think that there are parrallels between phony racist charges and the animosity towards "foul language." In both cases, people are offended by things that they really shouldn't be offended by.
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I'd rather see a world where profanity isn't considered profanity, but just a part of the world's vocabulary. Nothing makes those words worse than any other words besides the stigma that society's put on them for no reason, but that's really neither here nor there. I personally think that there are parrallels between phony racist charges and the animosity towards "foul language." In both cases, people are offended by things that they really shouldn't be offended by.
The problem with that is that you're in the minority, concerning profanity. It's not acceptable in society, except in certain situations. You obviously disagree, but it's still true, none the less. On the other hand, nobody wants to be accused of unfounded racism. Apples and oranges.
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I prefer the term "African American" to "black." But my reason for that is because I think "African American" sounds more fancy and sophisticated than "black." Maybe that's just me being a snob?

But being a rather wordy person, I prefer African American, I just think it sounds better.

I respect your opinion, but I'm just the opposite.

The term African-American bothers me. Why? Because they're not African born. They are Americans of African descent. I could see the term being used for an African who immigrated to this country and became a citizen. I think in that instance, it would be justified.

And I apply the same opinion to "Italian-Americans," etc. If you were born in the US, you are American. End of story.

I am not an "Irish American." I'm an American. Period.

And I also think that to patronize blacks by not poking fun is a form of reverse racism. I don't mean ignorant, racist humor, just everyday observational humor.

If the comedians and comedy shows pull punches and go easy on Obama because he's black, they are not doing their job.
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I dont dig the term African Ameircan because its not accurate. You can be white and be African American. A white person from Africa who moves to American is African American


In fact I hate labels period. Just call me a person

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