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Old 09-21-2008, 09:49 PM   #1
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As much as I love this show a few things kind of stick out for me.

First, what was up with those mini-skirts?!?!?! I mean there were times you could actually see the girls' panties, unintentionally of course! For example...the episode where Marcia has to get braces and the scene where she's lying face down on the bed crying and her father goes to talk to her. Then she turns around to face him...BAM!! Panty-shot! And how about the panty-shot Jan gave us in the "Private Ear" episode?! When she's sitting on the bed talking to Marcia! Even little Cindy was wearing them short dresses at just 7-years of age! I know this was the 1970's, but COME ON!!!! In the later seasons, the girls' dresses weren't nearly as revealing, but in the earlier seasons, those girls looked as though they were only wearing really long shirts at the time!

Second, anyone remember the episode where Jan has a crush on Clark Tyson, but he starts paying more attention to Marcia???? Well, how about that bad message being sent out to girls, huh?! "A boy will only like you if you dress like a girl, act like a girl and look glamorous"! Also, they made it seem as though Jan never wore a dress in her life...yet she mostly wore dresses at the time! So now they decided to make her a tomboy just for that one episode just to send out that mixed message?! And anyone catch that Jan is wearing the same outfit she did at the very beginning of the episode when she comes home angry from school then when she's confronting Marcia she has a totally different outfit on???? Did she manage to change clothes before reeming Marcia?!

Did anyone notice that Peter looked the least like his brothers and father?! Greg and Bobby both had brown hair and blue eyes as did Mike, but Peter had brown eyes, darker hair and a darker complexion than the other boys. At least the Brady girls, including Carol, all kind of resembled each other.

Remember in the camping episode in season 1 when the kids all had to go use the bathroom???? Where in heaven's name were they supposed to do their business when they didn't have a toilet?!?!?! EWWWW!!!! I'd hate to have to scrub those floors!

In the Davy Jones episode, oh...so many things bothered me, I don't even know where to start. Okay, first of all, Mike just walks into a TV studio with Marcia in order to meet Davy, even though the show he was on was previously recorded, but wouldn't they have needed a special pass, or something? And the parents letting her dress as a bellboy to sneak into a rock star's hotel room?!?!?! Finally, after Marcia busts in on Davy's recording session, he just shows up at her doorstep right out of the blue, then he asks to be her date to her prom! Okay...if I had a teenage daughter, I would NOT let her go to her prom, or anywhere for that matter, alone with a man in his 20's, even if he IS Davy Jones....ESPECIALLY if he's Davy Jones!! And wasn't he married with a kid by this time?!?!?! And how come you don't see either Marcia, or Davy, at the end of the episode duing the tag?!?!?!

Marcia fighting for women's lib was awesome....but what's the point of her being in the boys' schouts if she was already in the girls' scouts?! If I remember correctly from what my sister has told me, the girls' scouts got to do the same exact things as the boys' scouts...so, kind of defeats the purpose.

Finally, not entirely off-topic...remember in that creepy spinoff, "The Bradys", the one episode where Marcia becomes an alcoholic?!?!?! Even though this episode was very disturbing, does anyone else see the irony in that?!?!?! As it turns out, Maureen McCormick really did have a serious drinking problem at one point in her life (though I'm not sure if it was when she was still on "The Brady Bunch"). Also, anyone remember when Fox Family (before it became ABC Family) aired that "The Bradys" marathon and when introducing the "Marcia Brady Gets Drunk" episode, the announcer says, "Marcia Brady has CHANGED!" Whether it was intentional or not...I kind of found it humorous considering a completely different actress who bore not even a slight resemblence to Maureen McCormick played Marcia in that series. And while watching that episode, in the end when she's talking about her alcoholism on Cindy's radio show and the rest of the family are all sitting around listening to it, anyone note that while the other Bradys all looked sad, Jan had sort of a sneer on her face? Almost like she was saying, "Hahah!! Karma, Marcia!!"

Okay...a little off there, but...just some random Brady stuff I picked up on.
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As much as I love this show a few things kind of stick out for me.

First, what was up with those mini-skirts?!?!?! I mean there were times you could actually see the girls' panties, unintentionally of course! For example...the episode where Marcia has to get braces and the scene where she's lying face down on the bed crying and her father goes to talk to her. Then she turns around to face him...BAM!! Panty-shot! And how about the panty-shot Jan gave us in the "Private Ear" episode?! When she's sitting on the bed talking to Marcia! Even little Cindy was wearing them short dresses at just 7-years of age! I know this was the 1970's, but COME ON!!!! In the later seasons, the girls' dresses weren't nearly as revealing, but in the earlier seasons, those girls looked as though they were only wearing really long shirts at the time!

Second, anyone remember the episode where Jan has a crush on Clark Tyson, but he starts paying more attention to Marcia???? Well, how about that bad message being sent out to girls, huh?! "A boy will only like you if you dress like a girl, act like a girl and look glamorous"! Also, they made it seem as though Jan never wore a dress in her life...yet she mostly wore dresses at the time! So now they decided to make her a tomboy just for that one episode just to send out that mixed message?! And anyone catch that Jan is wearing the same outfit she did at the very beginning of the episode when she comes home angry from school then when she's confronting Marcia she has a totally different outfit on???? Did she manage to change clothes before reeming Marcia?!

Did anyone notice that Peter looked the least like his brothers and father?! Greg and Bobby both had brown hair and blue eyes as did Mike, but Peter had brown eyes, darker hair and a darker complexion than the other boys. At least the Brady girls, including Carol, all kind of resembled each other.

Remember in the camping episode in season 1 when the kids all had to go use the bathroom???? Where in heaven's name were they supposed to do their business when they didn't have a toilet?!?!?! EWWWW!!!! I'd hate to have to scrub those floors!

In the Davy Jones episode, oh...so many things bothered me, I don't even know where to start. Okay, first of all, Mike just walks into a TV studio with Marcia in order to meet Davy, even though the show he was on was previously recorded, but wouldn't they have needed a special pass, or something? And the parents letting her dress as a bellboy to sneak into a rock star's hotel room?!?!?! Finally, after Marcia busts in on Davy's recording session, he just shows up at her doorstep right out of the blue, then he asks to be her date to her prom! Okay...if I had a teenage daughter, I would NOT let her go to her prom, or anywhere for that matter, alone with a man in his 20's, even if he IS Davy Jones....ESPECIALLY if he's Davy Jones!! And wasn't he married with a kid by this time?!?!?! And how come you don't see either Marcia, or Davy, at the end of the episode duing the tag?!?!?!

Marcia fighting for women's lib was awesome....but what's the point of her being in the boys' schouts if she was already in the girls' scouts?! If I remember correctly from what my sister has told me, the girls' scouts got to do the same exact things as the boys' scouts...so, kind of defeats the purpose.

Finally, not entirely off-topic...remember in that creepy spinoff, "The Bradys", the one episode where Marcia becomes an alcoholic?!?!?! Even though this episode was very disturbing, does anyone else see the irony in that?!?!?! As it turns out, Maureen McCormick really did have a serious drinking problem at one point in her life (though I'm not sure if it was when she was still on "The Brady Bunch"). Also, anyone remember when Fox Family (before it became ABC Family) aired that "The Bradys" marathon and when introducing the "Marcia Brady Gets Drunk" episode, the announcer says, "Marcia Brady has CHANGED!" Whether it was intentional or not...I kind of found it humorous considering a completely different actress who bore not even a slight resemblence to Maureen McCormick played Marcia in that series. And while watching that episode, in the end when she's talking about her alcoholism on Cindy's radio show and the rest of the family are all sitting around listening to it, anyone note that while the other Bradys all looked sad, Jan had sort of a sneer on her face? Almost like she was saying, "Hahah!! Karma, Marcia!!"

Okay...a little off there, but...just some random Brady stuff I picked up on.

I know. That always bothered me to see girls as young as 7 and 12 wearing these really short dresses. Nowadays it's considered risque and girls in real life actually get sent home from school for wearing dresses that short. As for the "Getting Davy Jones" episode, yeah, what the heck is a guy in his mid-20's doing taking a 13/14-year-old girl to her school dance? Even Davy himself jokes about it in interviews saying "I would get jailtime for that!" And I always hated the Clark Tyson episode because I never really saw Jan as a tomboy, because if anything she wore dresses more than she wore pants even in the earlier seasons and Marcia wore pants more than she did. And I did not like the message that was being sent out in that episode either. Personally, I never liked that Jan was - and still is - made out to be the "ugly duckling" of the family, just to make Marcia out to be the perfect one. I always thought Jan was very pretty, especially in the later season. What bothered me is that they didn't do that "ugly duckling" thing with the boys. Greg was the ladies man sure, but they never made Peter the "ugly duckling", he was just as popular with the ladies as Greg was, even little Bobby had girls liking him. But just because Jan was a girl, they had to make her the outcast. Anyway, what also bothered me was the season when that Clark Tyson episode aired, Marcia's hair was so stringy and looked very unkempt (in the later seasons it looked alot neater) while Jan's was always well kept and many even commented on how beautiful her hair was. And yeah the fact that Peter looked almost nothing like the other boys was just plain weird. However, I always thought Peter was the cutest of the Brady boys, way more so than Greg (oh, god, Chris Knight has GOT TO leave Adrianne Curry!!). The fact that the family didn't have a toilet in their bathroom was just wrong! Did they go in the shower? I think it's far more offensive to show kids two parents going at it in their bed than to show a toilet, but...that's just me! The one where Marcia joined the Frontier Scouts was pretty lame. Firstly, it showed that the Sunflower Girls, I guess the equivelant of the Girl Scouts, only sold cookies while the Frontier Scouts did all the fun stuff. But I remember doing alot of neat stuff, like camping and hiking, when I was in the Girl Scouts. So, Marcia's case was a pretty lost cause. They should have had her helping the boys out with fixing cars, or doing heavy work, or something. I never watched a single episode of "The Bradys" but I do remember reading about the episode where Marcia turns to booze for comfort and becomes this aging alcoholic in, like, one episode! However, does anyone remember in the episode where Alice leaves, when Bobby and Cindy are about to go skinny-dipping?! I recall seeing that scene very vaguely when the show was first on. And how about when Greg just barged in on Marcia while she was in the middle of getting dressed for no apparent reason, and she's standing there aguing with Greg in her underwear?! That was in the first season I believe when Marcia was only 12. If you ask me, I think Sherwood Schwartz was a plain dirty old man!
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As much as I love this show a few things kind of stick out for me.

First, what was up with those mini-skirts?!?!?! I mean there were times you could actually see the girls' panties, unintentionally of course! For example...the episode where Marcia has to get braces and the scene where she's lying face down on the bed crying and her father goes to talk to her. Then she turns around to face him...BAM!! Panty-shot! And how about the panty-shot Jan gave us in the "Private Ear" episode?! When she's sitting on the bed talking to Marcia! Even little Cindy was wearing them short dresses at just 7-years of age! I know this was the 1970's, but COME ON!!!!
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I really think you're making a big deal out of nothing here. Our society has gotten so paranoid about "kiddie porn" [people actually use that term to describe things that don't meet any legal definition] that a lot of things which were once considered innocent are now seen as scandalous.

It was the fashion for little girls (at least on TV and movies) to wear dresses like that. Look at the later episodes of My Three Sons and Family Affair.

In one episode of Patridge Family, where Keith is making home movies, there was a bathtub scene where you can quite clearly see one of Tracy's undeveloped breasts. At the time nobody thought it was any big deal, but it's hard to imagine that getting past the censors today!

There is a tendancy to take Brady Bunch in isolation. To make a fair comparison you have to consider the context of the time, nearly 40 years ago when the first season was shot, and not project todays sensibilities onto it. Back then the occasional flashing of a little girl's underwear or 12 year-old boy standing around in his briefs and teeshirt was not considered any big deal but showing an actual toilet was taboo.

There will come a time in the not so distant future when todays sensibilities will seem just as silly and things we think nothing of today will be considered scandolous.
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I really think you're making a big deal out of nothing here. Our society has gotten so paranoid about "kiddie porn" [people actually use that term to describe things that don't meet any legal definition] that a lot of things which were once considered innocent are now seen as scandalous.

It was the fashion for little girls (at least on TV and movies) to wear dresses like that. Look at the later episodes of My Three Sons and Family Affair.

In one episode of Patridge Family, where Keith is making home movies, there was a bathtub scene where you can quite clearly see one of Tracy's undeveloped breasts. At the time nobody thought it was any big deal, but it's hard to imagine that getting past the censors today!

There is a tendancy to take Brady Bunch in isolation. To make a fair comparison you have to consider the context of the time, nearly 40 years ago when the first season was shot, and not project todays sensibilities onto it. Back then the occasional flashing of a little girl's underwear or 12 year-old boy standing around in his briefs and teeshirt was not considered any big deal but showing an actual toilet was taboo.

There will come a time in the not so distant future when todays sensibilities will seem just as silly and things we think nothing of today will be considered scandolous.

It does seem odd that while back then little girls wearing miniskirts didn't seem like such a big thing, nowadays people have a cow over it. But something odd was I remember about several years ago when the movie "My Girl" came out there was this huge controversy over Anna Chlumsky, the girl who played Vada, showing her undies while getting ready for bed near the end of the movie, or whatever. Now, a 15-year-old can't even show her bare back without it becoming this huge issue.
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It is strange that for the last decade that we have seen many young children dress more like adults in that they wear strappy shoes, make up etc. In the days of the Brady Bunch the kids did dress like kids and short skirts on girls must have been a fashion of the time.

I too saw that Partridge Family episode and remember thinking if they filmed that now that we would never have seen a shot like that of Tracey.
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And how come you don't see either Marcia, or Davy, at the end of the episode duing the tag?!?!?!
Because they were still in bed after a heavy night at the prom
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Back on September 22nd, someone mentioned a first season episode in which Greg, for no real reason barges in on Marcia while she is getting dressed and that she is argueing with him in her underwear. This poster then says that she was only twelve at the time. In the first place, I think that Marcia was thirteen when the show first came out. In any event, the situation was that Greg needed to get into the Jack and Jill bathroom but that the door from his room to the bathroom was locked. Marcia had forgotten to unlock it from her side after relieving herself. While getting into her daytime attire, Marcia was playing a record and the volume was turned up very high. Greg started pounding on the door in hopes that Marcia would let him get in through the girls' room. Because of the volume of the record player, Marcia could not hear his pounding. When Greg finely took matters into his own hands and let himself in, the riot started. When Mrs. Brady entered the scene in an attempt to make piece, a whole bunch of other issues in addition to the bathroom got raised. These issues included too few bedrooms and not enough closet space. To make a long story short, the moral of this episode was one that has been around since biblical times and will probably be here long after everyone reading this post is pushing up daisies! The lesson taught was, be careful what you wish for because you just might get it! Since the show has been on, countless viewers have raised the question as to why children of a successful architect would spend five years living three to a bedroom and six to a bath. One possible explanation is that Sherwood Schwartz took this episode very seriously! A while back, I started a thread titled "Untarnaished" in regards to this very issue. After posting this, I will bring this thread back to the top to let other fans see what I am talking about.
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I really think you're making a big deal out of nothing here. Our society has gotten so paranoid about "kiddie porn" [people actually use that term to describe things that don't meet any legal definition] that a lot of things which were once considered innocent are now seen as scandalous.

It was the fashion for little girls (at least on TV and movies) to wear dresses like that. Look at the later episodes of My Three Sons and Family Affair.

In one episode of Patridge Family, where Keith is making home movies, there was a bathtub scene where you can quite clearly see one of Tracy's undeveloped breasts. At the time nobody thought it was any big deal, but it's hard to imagine that getting past the censors today!

There is a tendancy to take Brady Bunch in isolation. To make a fair comparison you have to consider the context of the time, nearly 40 years ago when the first season was shot, and not project todays sensibilities onto it. Back then the occasional flashing of a little girl's underwear or 12 year-old boy standing around in his briefs and teeshirt was not considered any big deal but showing an actual toilet was taboo.

There will come a time in the not so distant future when todays sensibilities will seem just as silly and things we think nothing of today will be considered scandolous.

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It was the fashion for little girls (at least on TV and movies) to wear dresses like that. Look at the later episodes of My Three Sons and Family Affair....


Good point.

Dawn Lyn ("Dodie" of "My Three Sons" fame) has said that she hated wearing the little mini-skirts that she had to wear on the show, but the producers made her do it so that she would appear to be much younger than she was in real life.

Both Dawn and Anissa Jones ("Buffy) were small for their ages. Producers, of course, often prefer to work with kids that are small for their ages because they can play very young kids, but they have a higher level of maturity and professionalism in their approach to acting, and thus are easier to work with.

Anissa was 8 years old when Family Affair began, and 13 when it ended. She obviously was not playing a 13 year old girl in the Family Affair series. Her character didn't age a whole lot.

Lyn was 6 when she started playing on M3S, and was 9 when the series was canceled. The producers of the show didn't want her to age too much, so they kept her in short skirts... Lyn hated that, although she does have great memories of being on the show and working with that wonderful cast.

IMDB lists Dawn Lyn as being in only 6 episodes of My Three Sons... is that right?? Not having seen the show in about 10 years (since it aired on TV Land in the afternoons in the mid-late 90s ), I guess it's possible... I liked the show a lot, but don't really know the chronology off the top of my head. Both Lyn and Beverly Garland are listed as appearing in only 6 episodes, spread out over about 2 years.
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Yeah the dresses were a little skimpy but that was the fashion back in the late-1960's/1970's...it was part of rebelling against the long hemlines throughout the earlier decades. But what about the too-tight trousers the guys were wearing, huh? No problem with that?
As for the "Getting Davy Jones" episode, that whole thing was a gimmick. Davy was getting his solo career off the ground and the "BB" saw this as a possibly ratings boost. I saw it as being completely innocent. Just a teenage girl needing a hot act for her prom and he offers to escort her and sing at the prom. No biggie.
There were a ton of bloopers on the show (the kids suddenly changing outfits for the same scene, Jan's hair changing from tight ponytail to loose during the "House of Cards" scene, the kids accidently calling each other by their real names, objects mysteriously moving by themselves from scene to scene, Greg getting stoned and tripping over his bicycle, ect.) but this wasn't exactly "Masterpiece Theatre". This was a kids' show and kids don't care about the little mistakes.
Marcia fighting for women's lib by joining the Frontier Scouts was sending a good message because back then the Girls' Scouts didn't do as much as they do now. And she did prove a point that if a girl can try out for Frontier Scouts than a boy can try out for Sunflower Girls.
Finally, "The Bradys" was an ill-fated attempt at making the Brady kids grow up, but rather than make another fluffy sitcom like the failed, but much more enjoyable, "The Brady Brides", they made a "Thirtysomething"-like soap opera about the kids having problems of their own. And Marcia wasn't an all-out alcoholic, but she did have a slight drinking problem that started because Wally, her husband, was out-of-work all the time and she was seeing the rest of her siblings achieve greatness while she was, as she said, "useless". I personally felt watching the episode that alot of Marcia's "problem" came from her ego, because Marcia throughout the original "Brady" sitcom was always somewhat vain and shallow and strived for perfection, as seen mostly in the one where she gets cast as Juliet and she becomes a pain to live with and of course how she treated Jan. But because she was such an overachiever as a kid, as an adult she didn't have much to show for herself. But I think seeing Jan succeed as an architect really pushed her over the edge. I remember watching that "Marcia-Gets-Drunk" episode when "The Bradys" was being shown on ABC Family ten years ago and noticing at that opening-thing when Mike mentioned Jan and the look on Marcia's face was priceless..."How dare she succeed over ME!!"...and even Jan looked rather PO'd when Marcia crashed in all drunk and stuff.
Okay....enough of that....I'm rambling, but it's part of my long-windedness. Sorry!
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Only a cheerleading outfit so not going to far i/m/o....and she has great legs ha. Growing up during this time though, the short skirts were for sure the fashion of the day so I dont really see anything wrong with the skirts at all. Im a guy so of course I wont mind seeing a short skirt plus Marcia and Jan had the legs for it so no biggie. This show though did have a ton of upskirt shots thru all the seasons thats for sure and if that makes me a bad person for noticing that, eh thats ok I can deal with that.
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Only a cheerleading outfit so not going to far i/m/o....and she has great legs ha. Growing up during this time though, the short skirts were for sure the fashion of the day so I dont really see anything wrong with the skirts at all. Im a guy so of course I wont mind seeing a short skirt plus Marcia and Jan had the legs for it so no biggie. This show though did have a ton of upskirt shots thru all the seasons thats for sure and if that makes me a bad person for noticing that, eh thats ok I can deal with that.

Speaking of that cheerleading tryout scene, a quick bit of trivia...

As you may recall, there were 3 girls trying out for "head cheerleader": Marcia, Greg's girlfriend, "Jennifer Nichols", and "Pat Conway". "Jennifer, of course, only went out with Greg because she knew he was going to be one of the "judges" to pick the head cheerleader.

Anyway, Greg casts his "deciding vote" for the third girl, "Pat Conway", because he thought that she truly was the best candidate. Jennifer dumps him immediately, while Marcia was fine with his decision because she also thought "Pat" was the best.

Now, the trivia part: The girl who played "Pat Conway" was Rita Wilson who, in real life, grew up and married a fellow by the name of Tom Hanks.



One thing that was rather silly about this particular episode is the plot line of having four guys (fellow students, yet) decide who the head cheerleader was going to be. Cheerleading is itself an activity, with their own coach. The very idea of having a bunch of guys from the football or basketball team "vote" on who the Head Cheerleader would be was just stupid. I understand that the story had a moral to it, but that plot line was just dumb.
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