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JRA2000TL · 09-05-2008, 01:56 PM

I just watched this case, and it is very strange. I did a search and it appears that as of last year, no updates have been noted. What does everyone think? I would assume that the family would be able to correctly identify their own son but why would he never respond? Even when they ran the plates of that car he was in, they came up with nothing. It just doesn't make sense.

This, to me, is one of the stranger cases on UM. It's almost as if they mystery is right there to be solved several times over but nothing ever comes of it.

justins5256 · 09-05-2008, 10:39 PM

This case never sat right with me for some reason. Obviously, this man's family wants to know he is alive and okay but some of the stories they told seem a bit far fetched, to say the least. I guess I don't understand why the government would take such an interest in Curt (sp?) as it was mentioned in the segment that he didn't posses any skills that would make him a candidate for any type of mission or special assignment.

I can't help but wonder if the family is blowing things out of proportion, seeing what they want to, or just grasping at straws because they really want to believe Curt is alive and don't want to accept the evidence that suggests otherwise.

DP1 · 09-06-2008, 01:03 AM

I really feel sorry for the family. But I think they're seeing what they want to see. I mean, the military actually took the time to dismiss them on television. They never did that on any other segment.

Cori aka ChrisSCrush · 09-06-2008, 01:46 AM

This was a case I wanted to believe but had trouble accepting.

marlins3 · 09-06-2008, 04:20 PM

I think the family is sadly mistaken and is coping with Curt's loss in their own way. I never thought either picture looked like Curt (the first picture they show looks like a South Vietnamese soldier with american troops.. However, they are Curt's parents would be able to identify a picture of their own child much better than anyone else.

marlins3 · 10-23-2008, 06:44 PM

I wonder if the military failed to take Curt's father seriously because he was uneducated (he was functionally illiterate). BTW, I believe Borton wa skilled in Vietnam.

TracyLynnS · 02-13-2009, 03:21 PM

I don't think the pictures shown of Curt in the Marines Magazine and a film frame were him. They just don't look like him, imo. Among other differences, they have different brow bone shapes and different ears, and they don't even look like each other.

However, I think the family used these photos as a spring board for Curt's sister to continue her search for him all the way to DC. I think her sightings of him there are more credible.

If you believe the federal government works in mysterious ways, or if you just plain old don't trust those effers (guess you can tell how I feel), then it's easy to explain why Curt's SS# came up as "never issued", and why the license plate on the red car, supposedly driven in DC by Curt, came back as registered to a man who says he knows nothing about Curt.

Well duh! If those plates are given out by the gov't for their own secret purposes, it's very likely that the plate on Curt's car wouldn't be registered to his own name and address, but to someone else working for secret gov't crap, and so on with everybody else's plates. That makes it easier to hide from whoever the gov't workers are supposed to be hiding from.

The phone call that the father received regarding the name of Curt's blonde haired baby sitter is somewhat unsettling to me. It's like whoever was on the phone with the dad wanted to make a positive connection between the dad and Curt, but then there was no further contact.

Or else maybe Curt just wanted to be sure that after all these years, those were really his folks, and an easy way to confirm that would be by asking a private question that only the family would know. Maybe he was actually spying on them the whole time, trying to make sure they were his family. Once he realized that they were (through the baby sitter question) then there was no reason to further endanger them or himself through those "chance" meetings at the park and on the roads.

One thing that I think is total BS is the explanation given by the gov't that the south asians had a viable trade in the "digging up and selling corpses" business. That gov't spokes blabber said that's why only several of Curt's teeth were recovered in a grave in Vietnam, but no other bones were found.

At first, the gov't spokes blabber called them "grave robbers". BS all over that. Grave robbers in modern times are not looking to supply cadavers to medical colleges. They are looking for valuables buried with the dead. They leave the bodies and take the jewelry, gold teeth, etc. I tried to find info on such activity, and doing a quick internet search only provides info on a drug trade that involved sending drugs from VN to the US in cadavers.

That's not what we're dealing with in Curt's case. In his case, he was supposedly buried in one location in VN. Then dug up and buried in another location in a grave robbing business. What money is there in digging up and reburying the dead? Seems like it would cost money to do that and would reap no rewards.

And who the heck were those two guys who kept meeting Curt's dad in the parking lots trying to get him to sign a document declaring Curt dead? The gov't spokes blabber may claim that they don't work in such an unprofessional manner, but come on! The gov't also runs the IRS, and Congress for crying out loud! And they don't exactly have "professional" stamped all over them.

After the dad finally signed the document, he received a check for over $40,000. I'm assuming it was drawn on some bank unrelated to the gov't and couldn't be traced to the gov't. Why would two strangers hound Curt's family to declare him dead, then send him forty grand for doing so?

And come to think of it, why did the family have to declare him dead? Curt was a marine in Vietnam. Why didn't the gov't just declare him 'killed in action' and be done with it? (Plus it had been over 20 years since he'd been last seen alive.) Then the gov't could move Curt into his new identity for whatever it is they wanted him to do.

TracyLynnS · 02-13-2009, 03:51 PM

I don't know if this makes any difference, but Curt's mom is identified in the segment as his step-mother. She calls him her son and I don't know at what point in his life that she became his step mother.

Fabolous · 02-14-2009, 06:36 AM

Hi, I'm new to this forum and I registered because I just watch this episode of Curt Borton. After watching this unsolved mystery, I was curious and wanted to see if there was anything on this person on the net or if there was any update..because isn't Unsolved mysteries a really old show??Any ways I read a couple of people post...and I have to disagree with some of you..maybe its wishful thinking but I still believe he is still alive...I was so angry when the sister didn't go up to him and ask the man, "WHO THE HELL ARE YOU!?!"..got me so angry, but of course she didnt want to jepordize her children...so in a way it was understandable.
Although they mentioned that Curt didn't have any skills to do some covert op mission or w/e..we dont know for sure..and the man who said it was part of the u.s military, he could be working for the government for all we know, just hiding the facts...I found it kind of stupid, and everytime that marine spoke....I didnt believe him...I bet he IS working for some secret agency just to cover up for Curt...N e ways...great to see someone had recently postd..shows me this thread is still active...

crystaldawn · 02-14-2009, 08:59 AM

Here is a webpage that talks about him.

http://taskforceomegainc.org/b038.html

Todd Mueller · 02-14-2009, 10:51 AM

There were several stories of this type in the history of UM. All different but with the central theme of "military man goes missing" and then is either sighted again and/or evidence turns up that he is in some secret program.

As much as I would like to believe these, I think most of them are probably just the hopes of loving families. (Please note they don't all fall into this category but I think most do.)

Justin Burgwinkel, Paul Whipkey, and the other guy I can't remember (his family said they saw him at a gas station on a nice day and he said, "Looks like snow" and then walked away).

I really, really want to believe that these people were/are alive and were on some secret mission, but my logic says in most if not all cases, Occam's Razor applies and there are much simpler explanations.

TracyLynnS · 02-14-2009, 06:37 PM

TM, This is the guy who saw his sister and said, "looks like snow" when it was a sunny day in october with no sign of snow any time soon. She went on to see him in town a few more times, so she claims.

I don't know about the other cases. I'm sure a great many of the "missing vietnam soldier turns up mysteriously" are just cases of wishful thinking on the part of the parent. I know that sounds awful, but it must have been extremely hard for the families to accept.

Todd Mueller · 02-14-2009, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

TM, This is the guy who saw his sister and said, "looks like snow" when it was a sunny day in october with no sign of snow any time soon. She went on to see him in town a few more times, so she claims.

I don't know about the other cases. I'm sure a great many of the "missing vietnam soldier turns up mysteriously" are just cases of wishful thinking on the part of the parent. I know that sounds awful, but it must have been extremely hard for the families to accept.

DOH! I'm an idiot...

I didn't read carefully enough. I thought this thread was about the guy who they thought had died in Vietnam and then his parents saw his picture in the magazine, which was apparently "backed up" by a guy in a bar, which later turned out to be false.

I stand by the rest of what I said, though.

Fabolous · 02-15-2009, 02:34 AM

i came across something interesting on the web..something related to Curt...as i was searching on google i came across a page, that had his sister e-mail...and saying if anybody had n e question feel free to ask her....heres the link
http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/b/b038.htm
I doubt e-mailing her now would get us any answers or any updates on her brother whereabouts because it was last posted in 1998....but give it a try ..someone, lol?

88keys · 02-17-2009, 07:00 PM

I saw this case the other day, and it's definately one of the strangest I've ever seen! I don't necessarily not believe the family...I'm not sure what to think. I also did not think the photographs looked like Kurt. But I don't know why that man kept following the sister around, or why those government men kept acosting the father in parking lots. The whole thing is so bizarre.

09-05-2008, 01:56 PM	#1
JRA2000TL Frequent Poster Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2007 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 98	Curt Borton Jr. I just watched this case, and it is very strange. I did a search and it appears that as of last year, no updates have been noted. What does everyone think? I would assume that the family would be able to correctly identify their own son but why would he never respond? Even when they ran the plates of that car he was in, they came up with nothing. It just doesn't make sense. This, to me, is one of the stranger cases on UM. It's almost as if they mystery is right there to be solved several times over but nothing ever comes of it.

09-05-2008, 10:39 PM	#2
justins5256 Senior Member Member Join Date: Aug 08, 2002 Posts: 2,806	This case never sat right with me for some reason. Obviously, this man's family wants to know he is alive and okay but some of the stories they told seem a bit far fetched, to say the least. I guess I don't understand why the government would take such an interest in Curt (sp?) as it was mentioned in the segment that he didn't posses any skills that would make him a candidate for any type of mission or special assignment. I can't help but wonder if the family is blowing things out of proportion, seeing what they want to, or just grasping at straws because they really want to believe Curt is alive and don't want to accept the evidence that suggests otherwise. __________________ http://www.unsolvedmysteriestelevision.com/

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09-06-2008, 01:03 AM	#3
DP1 Forum Regular Member Join Date: Nov 21, 2004 Posts: 294	I really feel sorry for the family. But I think they're seeing what they want to see. I mean, the military actually took the time to dismiss them on television. They never did that on any other segment.

09-06-2008, 01:46 AM	#4
Cori aka ChrisSCrush Forum Regular Member Join Date: Dec 30, 2001 Location: USA and damn proud of it! Posts: 907	This was a case I wanted to believe but had trouble accepting.

09-06-2008, 04:20 PM	#5
marlins3 Forum Regular Member Join Date: Aug 22, 2007 Posts: 274	I think the family is sadly mistaken and is coping with Curt's loss in their own way. I never thought either picture looked like Curt (the first picture they show looks like a South Vietnamese soldier with american troops.. However, they are Curt's parents would be able to identify a picture of their own child much better than anyone else.

10-23-2008, 06:44 PM	#6
marlins3 Forum Regular Member Join Date: Aug 22, 2007 Posts: 274	I wonder if the military failed to take Curt's father seriously because he was uneducated (he was functionally illiterate). BTW, I believe Borton wa skilled in Vietnam.

02-13-2009, 03:21 PM	#7
TracyLynnS Senior Member Don't Look Up Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 2,421	I don't think the pictures shown of Curt in the Marines Magazine and a film frame were him. They just don't look like him, imo. Among other differences, they have different brow bone shapes and different ears, and they don't even look like each other. However, I think the family used these photos as a spring board for Curt's sister to continue her search for him all the way to DC. I think her sightings of him there are more credible. If you believe the federal government works in mysterious ways, or if you just plain old don't trust those effers (guess you can tell how I feel), then it's easy to explain why Curt's SS# came up as "never issued", and why the license plate on the red car, supposedly driven in DC by Curt, came back as registered to a man who says he knows nothing about Curt. Well duh! If those plates are given out by the gov't for their own secret purposes, it's very likely that the plate on Curt's car wouldn't be registered to his own name and address, but to someone else working for secret gov't crap, and so on with everybody else's plates. That makes it easier to hide from whoever the gov't workers are supposed to be hiding from. The phone call that the father received regarding the name of Curt's blonde haired baby sitter is somewhat unsettling to me. It's like whoever was on the phone with the dad wanted to make a positive connection between the dad and Curt, but then there was no further contact. Or else maybe Curt just wanted to be sure that after all these years, those were really his folks, and an easy way to confirm that would be by asking a private question that only the family would know. Maybe he was actually spying on them the whole time, trying to make sure they were his family. Once he realized that they were (through the baby sitter question) then there was no reason to further endanger them or himself through those "chance" meetings at the park and on the roads. One thing that I think is total BS is the explanation given by the gov't that the south asians had a viable trade in the "digging up and selling corpses" business. That gov't spokes blabber said that's why only several of Curt's teeth were recovered in a grave in Vietnam, but no other bones were found. At first, the gov't spokes blabber called them "grave robbers". BS all over that. Grave robbers in modern times are not looking to supply cadavers to medical colleges. They are looking for valuables buried with the dead. They leave the bodies and take the jewelry, gold teeth, etc. I tried to find info on such activity, and doing a quick internet search only provides info on a drug trade that involved sending drugs from VN to the US in cadavers. That's not what we're dealing with in Curt's case. In his case, he was supposedly buried in one location in VN. Then dug up and buried in another location in a grave robbing business. What money is there in digging up and reburying the dead? Seems like it would cost money to do that and would reap no rewards. And who the heck were those two guys who kept meeting Curt's dad in the parking lots trying to get him to sign a document declaring Curt dead? The gov't spokes blabber may claim that they don't work in such an unprofessional manner, but come on! The gov't also runs the IRS, and Congress for crying out loud! And they don't exactly have "professional" stamped all over them. After the dad finally signed the document, he received a check for over $40,000. I'm assuming it was drawn on some bank unrelated to the gov't and couldn't be traced to the gov't. Why would two strangers hound Curt's family to declare him dead, then send him forty grand for doing so? And come to think of it, why did the family have to declare him dead? Curt was a marine in Vietnam. Why didn't the gov't just declare him 'killed in action' and be done with it? (Plus it had been over 20 years since he'd been last seen alive.) Then the gov't could move Curt into his new identity for whatever it is they wanted him to do.

02-13-2009, 03:51 PM	#8
TracyLynnS Senior Member Don't Look Up Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 2,421	I don't know if this makes any difference, but Curt's mom is identified in the segment as his step-mother. She calls him her son and I don't know at what point in his life that she became his step mother.

02-14-2009, 06:36 AM	#9
Fabolous Occasional Poster Member Join Date: Feb 14, 2009 Posts: 2	Hi, I'm new to this forum and I registered because I just watch this episode of Curt Borton. After watching this unsolved mystery, I was curious and wanted to see if there was anything on this person on the net or if there was any update..because isn't Unsolved mysteries a really old show??Any ways I read a couple of people post...and I have to disagree with some of you..maybe its wishful thinking but I still believe he is still alive...I was so angry when the sister didn't go up to him and ask the man, "WHO THE HELL ARE YOU!?!"..got me so angry, but of course she didnt want to jepordize her children...so in a way it was understandable. Although they mentioned that Curt didn't have any skills to do some covert op mission or w/e..we dont know for sure..and the man who said it was part of the u.s military, he could be working for the government for all we know, just hiding the facts...I found it kind of stupid, and everytime that marine spoke....I didnt believe him...I bet he IS working for some secret agency just to cover up for Curt...N e ways...great to see someone had recently postd..shows me this thread is still active...

02-14-2009, 08:59 AM	#10
crystaldawn Moderator Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,774	Here is a webpage that talks about him. http://taskforceomegainc.org/b038.html

02-14-2009, 10:51 AM	#11
Todd Mueller Forum Regular Keepin' it real. . . Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 655	There were several stories of this type in the history of UM. All different but with the central theme of "military man goes missing" and then is either sighted again and/or evidence turns up that he is in some secret program. As much as I would like to believe these, I think most of them are probably just the hopes of loving families. (Please note they don't all fall into this category but I think most do.) Justin Burgwinkel, Paul Whipkey, and the other guy I can't remember (his family said they saw him at a gas station on a nice day and he said, "Looks like snow" and then walked away). I really, really want to believe that these people were/are alive and were on some secret mission, but my logic says in most if not all cases, Occam's Razor applies and there are much simpler explanations.

02-14-2009, 06:37 PM	#12
TracyLynnS Senior Member Don't Look Up Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 2,421	TM, This is the guy who saw his sister and said, "looks like snow" when it was a sunny day in october with no sign of snow any time soon. She went on to see him in town a few more times, so she claims. I don't know about the other cases. I'm sure a great many of the "missing vietnam soldier turns up mysteriously" are just cases of wishful thinking on the part of the parent. I know that sounds awful, but it must have been extremely hard for the families to accept.

02-15-2009, 02:34 AM	#14
Fabolous Occasional Poster Member Join Date: Feb 14, 2009 Posts: 2	i came across something interesting on the web..something related to Curt...as i was searching on google i came across a page, that had his sister e-mail...and saying if anybody had n e question feel free to ask her....heres the link http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/b/b038.htm I doubt e-mailing her now would get us any answers or any updates on her brother whereabouts because it was last posted in 1998....but give it a try ..someone, lol?

02-17-2009, 07:00 PM	#15
88keys Frequent Poster Member Join Date: Jan 24, 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 119	I saw this case the other day, and it's definately one of the strangest I've ever seen! I don't necessarily not believe the family...I'm not sure what to think. I also did not think the photographs looked like Kurt. But I don't know why that man kept following the sister around, or why those government men kept acosting the father in parking lots. The whole thing is so bizarre.