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Old 04-02-2009, 05:26 PM   #16
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Wasn't Desi born in Cuba?
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:30 PM   #17
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Wasn't Desi born in Cuba?
Yes, Desi was a native of Santiago, Cuba.
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:41 PM   #19
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Well you know what they say Charles! Great minds think alike!

True but the same timestamp thing really gets on my nerves. I'll just delete my reply, No sense in 2 people answering the same question.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:47 PM   #20
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In U.S. census documents, the designation white overlaps, as do all other official racial categories, with the term Hispanic, which was introduced in the 1980 census as a category of ethnicity, separate and independent of race.

See it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American

I'm happy to "back up my claim" but at the same time frankly somewhat appalled that it's even necessary for me to do so.

There are upright-walking beings who think Cuban is a race?? God save us.
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See it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American

I'm happy to "back up my claim" but at the same time frankly somewhat appalled that it's even necessary for me to do so.

I don't normally trust Wikipedia but you may have a valid point.

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I would say that Ricky and Lucy were the first interracial couple. It was also about timing too. Had they did this show ten years later after Castro came into power into Cuba, they probably would have never gotten on the air.
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Desi Arnaz was a Cuban which makes him Hispanic or Latino. Maybe things things are different now, but he was not seen as a white person by Hollywood and the general public in the 50s. He played Latin Lover types in movies.
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Desi Arnaz was a Cuban which makes him Hispanic or Latino. Maybe things things are different now, but he was not seen as a white person by Hollywood and the general public in the 50s. He played Latin Lover types in movies.
I don't think anyone is questioning Desi's latin heritage. I think the real question here is whether or not latin is a race. My experience with Latin America is restricted to one two-week visit to Cuba in 1980. Because my Aunt and Uncle were missionaries there I had the opportunity to meet many Cuban people. Some were white, some were black, others were a mixture of both. Yet all of them were latino. So it seems to me the term latino is more related to language and culture than race.

Therefore Lucy and Desi were probably TV's first intercultural couple but not necessarily the first interracial couple.
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Isn't the Hispanic race so similar to the Caucasian one that's this issue isn't really an issue? I think it was more just because he was a foreigner, and not a Western-European one at that. If Lucy had married a Brit, it may not have been as big a deal. But OMG...he speaks another language! That's frightening!!
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I haven't researched Desi Arnaz, but I suspect he was of Creole background (like Castro), making him totally, 100% Caucasian. I looked up Creole, and the first definition given said that it was someone from the West Indies of European background (and in Desi Arnaz' case)--Spanish. I Love Lucy was definitely inter-ethnic, no question about it, but interracial? In my opinion at least, I'd say no. Even to be inter-ethnic in the 1950s was a pretty gutsy move, and one that paid off--in one of the greatest sitcoms of all time.
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Isn't the Hispanic race so similar to the Caucasian one that's this issue isn't really an issue?

As others have already pointed out, the term "Hispanic" designates an ethnic group, not a race. Some Hispanics are black, some are white, some are mixed. Desi Arnaz was 100% white with his ancestry tracing to Europe (Spain), not Africa. So he and Lucille Ball were both of the same race, Caucasian, but they were from different ethic groups: Anglo-Saxon and French (Lucille) and Hispanic (Desi). They had a mixed heritage or inter-ethnic marriage, not an interracial one. The first interracial couple in a regular series on television were the Tom and Louise Willis on The Jeffersons.
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Desi Arnaz was a caucasian. A dark-skinned caucasian is no less caucasian than a light-skinned black is black. Lucy and Desi are not recognized as TV's first interracial couple for a very good reason: they're not.

Desi Arnaz was CUBAN!! BORN IN CUBA!! They were considered an INTERACIAL COUPLE..that is why they had such a hard time getting CBS to buy the show at first! CBS said that people wouldn't believe that an American girl would marry a Cuban!! They even confirmed it in the 50th Anniversary Special that I have on tape!!
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Cuban is a nationality not a race. So Lucy and Desi were TV's first international couple.
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Desi Arnaz was CUBAN!! BORN IN CUBA!! They were considered an INTERACIAL COUPLE..that is why they had such a hard time getting CBS to buy the show at first! CBS said that people wouldn't believe that an American girl would marry a Cuban!! They even confirmed it in the 50th Anniversary Special that I have on tape!!

There's no need to yell. And as as been explained here ad nauseam, being from Cuba has nothing to do with Desi's race. He and Lucy were both Caucasian. You can't have an interracial marriage if both parties are of the same race, as they were. They were different ethnicities, but not different races. The controversy at that time was about that, and similar to the controversy years later on Bridget Loves Bernie, where the two main characters had different religious backgrounds, though they were still of the same race.
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