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Madame X · 09-20-2007, 02:51 PM

In the episode "Men Will Be Boys," Andy and Albert went on a trip to prove they were men, while Charles and Jonathan secretly followed them. Albert wanted to cheat and take a shortcut, but Andy stood firm against cheating. He said he wouldn't go if it involved cheating.

I found it interesting IN THE VERY NEXT EPISODE that Andy was the class cheater with Nellie.

I guess the pressure of the school marm living in your house is worse than the possibility of wild beasts chewing your head off. Of course, Nellie was the beast that was involved, so his situation wasn't an easy one.

At least he felt remorse and was ashamed. It was just strange to me that both episodes involving the issue of Andy cheating were aired back-to-back.

Sterling Holobyte · 09-21-2007, 12:35 PM

Yeah, I thought those two episodes put together was kind of odd, too.

Andy was really being tested on his integrity or something.

Ireneparalegal · 09-22-2007, 07:59 PM

LHOTP and the whole honesty issue in many instances at times got on my nerves.

I mean, you are right, the boys being out in the wilderness and Andy didn't "want to cheat"? C'mon now, this is a boy for goodness sakes! And who else other than Albert was going to know?

Also, in the cheating episode regarding Nellie, WHY DIDN'T HE JUST GO AND TELL HIS MOM? I am sure his mother could have devised a way to catch Nellie on her own without straight out telling Nellie "You are cheating!"

I mean, Alice did figure out in the end how to take away that sweater jacket of Nellie's to make the point that she was indeed cheating.

ThomasE · 10-10-2007, 11:40 PM

Sometimes children don't think and Andy was one of those people that was not thinking.

Ireneparalegal · 10-13-2007, 12:32 AM

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Sometimes children don't think and Andy was one of those people that was not thinking.

Yeah, he was a miniature man...he didn't think at all.

catlover79 · 10-13-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ThomasE

Sometimes children don't think and Andy was one of those people that was not thinking.

Good point.

ThomasE · 10-13-2007, 12:42 AM

Kids do strange things. I agree. "Andy go tell ya momma".

Ireneparalegal · 10-13-2007, 12:43 AM

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Kids do strange things. I agree. "Andy go tell ya momma".

Yo momma is soooooooo fat...

Ok, off topic.

Jack1000 · 11-07-2007, 11:47 PM

The problem that I have with "The Cheaters" episode is multi-dimensional. I could understand Nellie blackmailing Andy into stealing the exam answers. But why does Johnathan presumably take Andy out to the barn to whip him? It's been awhile since I saw this episode, but I think Andy admitting his honesty and being forced to be tutored by Nellie was punishment enough!

A question I have: What is the story that Charles tells Andy when they go fishing?

Jack

Ireneparalegal · 11-08-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack1000

The problem that I have with "The Cheaters" episode is multi-dimensional. I could understand Nellie blackmailing Andy into stealing the exam answers. But why does Johnathan presumably take Andy out to the barn to whip him? It's been awhile since I saw this episode, but I think Andy admitting his honesty and being forced to be tutored by Nellie was punishment enough!

A question I have: What is the story that Charles tells Andy when they go fishing?

Jack

I have no idea what story he told him, sorry.

As for the beating Andy's father gave him, I am presuming since this was an era when children were regularly given "whippings" for all sorts of acts of misbehaving and maybe Jonathan didn't want Andy to think that he could get away with cheating regardless. Having your mom as your teacher put Andy at an advantage, having the answers to tests in your own home! I agree though, if it wasn't for Nellie, Andy would never have done that, but again, going merely by what era we are dealing with, parents were all abt instilling discipline to their children.

catlover79 · 01-04-2008, 04:58 PM

Back in those days, parents used a switch or a belt on their kids to discipline them. It's really only since the advent of political correctness that this even became an issue.

wiseguy182 · 04-13-2009, 01:47 AM

Andy was in a no-win situation. If he keeps silent, he gets in trouble if and when his his parents find out. If he says something, then its his word against one of the prized pupils in the class, and Mrs. Garvey and Mrs. Olsen are naturally going to have a tough time believing Nellie cheats. And Mrs. Garvey was the one that approved Nellie tutoring Andy. Andy was put in an unenviable position.

janet42 · 04-19-2009, 08:23 AM

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Andy was in a no-win situation. If he keeps silent, he gets in trouble if and when his his parents find out. If he says something, then its his word against one of the prized pupils in the class, and Mrs. Garvey and Mrs. Olsen are naturally going to have a tough time believing Nellie cheats. And Mrs. Garvey was the one that approved Nellie tutoring Andy. Andy was put in an unenviable position.

Yeah I agree. Andy was in a tough situation.

09-20-2007, 02:51 PM	#1
Madame X Senior Member Member Join Date: Sep 15, 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,806	Andrew's Honesty In the episode "Men Will Be Boys," Andy and Albert went on a trip to prove they were men, while Charles and Jonathan secretly followed them. Albert wanted to cheat and take a shortcut, but Andy stood firm against cheating. He said he wouldn't go if it involved cheating. I found it interesting IN THE VERY NEXT EPISODE that Andy was the class cheater with Nellie. I guess the pressure of the school marm living in your house is worse than the possibility of wild beasts chewing your head off. Of course, Nellie was the beast that was involved, so his situation wasn't an easy one. At least he felt remorse and was ashamed. It was just strange to me that both episodes involving the issue of Andy cheating were aired back-to-back.

09-21-2007, 12:35 PM	#2
Sterling Holobyte Senior Member Member Join Date: Nov 07, 2002 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,690	Yeah, I thought those two episodes put together was kind of odd, too. Andy was really being tested on his integrity or something. __________________ Luke: "... Is the dark side stronger?" Yoda: "No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive." --------------------------------------------------- Yoda: "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." My First Blog:http://saturdayfunnies.blogspot.com/

09-22-2007, 07:59 PM	#3
Ireneparalegal Forum Celebrity LEGAL SPICE ;) Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,548	LHOTP and the whole honesty issue in many instances at times got on my nerves. I mean, you are right, the boys being out in the wilderness and Andy didn't "want to cheat"? C'mon now, this is a boy for goodness sakes! And who else other than Albert was going to know? Also, in the cheating episode regarding Nellie, WHY DIDN'T HE JUST GO AND TELL HIS MOM? I am sure his mother could have devised a way to catch Nellie on her own without straight out telling Nellie "You are cheating!" I mean, Alice did figure out in the end how to take away that sweater jacket of Nellie's to make the point that she was indeed cheating. __________________ DALLAS COWBOYS ARE HERE AT TRAINING CAMP!!!

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ThomasE Moderator Member Join Date: Apr 04, 2000 Location: Dallas, by way of New York in attendance at JR Ewing's funeral. Posts: 9,226	Sometimes children don't think and Andy was one of those people that was not thinking. __________________ We love you and miss you, Mr. Larry Hagman!

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10-13-2007, 12:42 AM	#7
ThomasE Moderator Member Join Date: Apr 04, 2000 Location: Dallas, by way of New York in attendance at JR Ewing's funeral. Posts: 9,226	Kids do strange things. I agree. "Andy go tell ya momma".

11-07-2007, 11:47 PM	#9
Jack1000 Senior Member Member Join Date: Dec 05, 2001 Posts: 1,744	The problem that I have with "The Cheaters" episode is multi-dimensional. I could understand Nellie blackmailing Andy into stealing the exam answers. But why does Johnathan presumably take Andy out to the barn to whip him? It's been awhile since I saw this episode, but I think Andy admitting his honesty and being forced to be tutored by Nellie was punishment enough! A question I have: What is the story that Charles tells Andy when they go fishing? Jack

01-04-2008, 04:58 PM	#11
catlover79 Moderator Forum Legend God Bless Val Join Date: May 29, 2006 Location: Bewitched in Ohio Posts: 67,665	Back in those days, parents used a switch or a belt on their kids to discipline them. It's really only since the advent of political correctness that this even became an issue.

04-13-2009, 01:47 AM	#12
wiseguy182 Senior Member Member Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Living in a van down by the river Posts: 2,818	Andy was in a no-win situation. If he keeps silent, he gets in trouble if and when his his parents find out. If he says something, then its his word against one of the prized pupils in the class, and Mrs. Garvey and Mrs. Olsen are naturally going to have a tough time believing Nellie cheats. And Mrs. Garvey was the one that approved Nellie tutoring Andy. Andy was put in an unenviable position.