"Orange socks" killings to be featured on "Sensing Murder"

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I'm sure many here are familiar with the UM segment on the murders of Bobbie Oberholzter and Annette Kay Schnee. They were the two women who, seperately, were driven out into the woods on a bitterly cold night and murdered when they tried to hitchhike for a ride home.

When Bobbie's body was found the following afternoon, there was a single orange sock laying nearby. When Annette's body was found several months later 13 miles away, she was wearing the match to the other orange sock. From the start, the police believed that the two cases were connected. The women dissapeared within hours of each other and they both were shot in the back with a medium caliver revolver while trying to flee from their attacker.

The murders took place just outside Breckenridge, Colorado on January 6, 1982. And the police have been investigating it ever since.

O.K., anyway, on to the announcement. There is a new Television program on the Discovery Channel called "Sensing Murder" where two psychics try to help police with homicide cases. Their first episode will feature the murders of Bobbie and Annette. Be sure to tune in on September 28, 2006 at 8:00 P.M. (it will be shown again at midnight). It will be interesting to watch and maybe we can get a few more updates and details that Unsolved Mysteries left out.


Here's some information on the program for anyone that's interested -

On Monday, May 22, 2006, information generated by the Discovery Channel’s Sensing Murder episode interviews took three members of the 11th Judicial District Homicide Task Force on a new path down the Sacramento Creek area. Investigators Richard Eaton, Betty Royse and Charlie McCormick followed up on leads from two psychics who visited the crime scenes of Bobbie Jo Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee. The psychics involved in the filming of the new television series sat down with McCormick and former CBI agent Jim Hardtke during the first week of May 2006. As a result, the investigation of the 24-year-old double homicide has taken on new life.

The Task Force spent about four hours in the field exploring new possible sites associated with the murder of Annette Schnee. Psychics Pam Coronado and Laurie Campbell indicated that the location where Schnee’s body was found might not be the actual crime scene or the precise place where the death occurred, according to the team.

The two psychics, interviewed separately, reportedly came up with the same first name of a suspect in both murders as well as possible vehicle descriptions. They also provided their insights as to the nature of the relationship of the killer to the victims and possible motives connected to the murders. The Task Force members are using this new information to re-examine persons of interest in their case files, according to McCormick.

Investigators did not discuss what, if anything, they have found as a result of the new leads or their searches. “We don’t want to reveal anything more specific in the ongoing investigation,” McCormick said.

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Also, here's a link on the program with some pictures of the locations that were also featured in the UM segment.

http://parkbull.com/newsextra/filmin...ase050706.html

[Dislimb]

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...d.php?t=171964

I love talking about this case. Let's bring this back up to the top of the threads. I can't wait to see the new show either!

[Kane]

I watched the last five or ten minutes of last night's show. Bobbie's widower was interviewed in the segment. In addition, the psychics sensed that there were two killers involved in both murders. I don't know if the cops had considered this theory before, or if they actually did but never disclosed it to the public. In any case, a couple of men have been considered as persons of interest. But since the investigation is ongoing, the show did not reveal the full names of either men (one of whom is now deceased).

According to the Discovery Channel web site, the network is scheduled to repeat the episode (titled "Mountain Murders") on October 28 at 6:00 pm (Eastern Time).

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Well, I watched the entire episode last night and quite simply, the two psychics that the police interviewed blew me away. They were spot on with all of their visions.

The two psychics were interviewed separately and we got to see first hand what their visions/thoughts were. They were never told the sex, race or age of the victim. Each woman was given one of the wool mittens that Bobbie Oberholzter was wearing the night she was killed. They came up with the correct age, sex, and even knew that Bobbie didn't grow up in Colorado..(she and her husband Jeff had moved there from Wisconsin a few years prior to the murder.) They even sensed how scrappy Bobbie was - she was not the kind of woman that would go down without a fight. And she DID injure her killer a little bit because the blood found on her mittens was not hers.

One psychic even mentioned, "I see another pretty girl somehow tied to this murder. One is blonde and the other is brunette." This, I thought was amazing because the police officers never mentioned Annette Schnee.

Later, the psychics were taken to both of the locations of where Bobbie and Annette's bodies were found. Bobbie's final moments were pretty much what we saw on the Unsolved Mysteries segment - the killer tried to rape her but she escaped before he could do it. (This took place in the parking lot of a scenic overlook.) Bobbie tried to make a mad dash for the trees so she could hide and the killer followed her in his truck. The trees were about 200 yards away and she only made it about 100 yards. She ran off the side of the road into a couple banks of snow before he got out his gun and killed her.

The psychics seemed to get different vibes from Annette's murder. When they were taken to the rivine where her body was found, neither of them believed that was the exact location where she was killed. (The police mentioned that on the Unsolved Mysteries segment as well.)

Annette's body wasn't found until 6 months after the murder, and by then her body had decomposed too much to tell if she had in fact been sexually assaulted. But police always believed she had been raped because when her body was found, her clothing seemed to be in disarray. Her shirt was inside-out and one of her socks was in her coat pocket. The psychics said that her killer was driving a car where the back of it looked like a pick-up truck (which, I guess would be an el camino?). They said her body was placed in the trunk and dumped into the river where it would later be found. The psychics then took the officers to a whole new crime seen where they believe Annette was actually killed....down on dirt road on some private property a few miles away. They said she was raped inside the car by a smaller man and then shot. Apparently, this man was not strong enough to dump the body all by himself (which I found odd since the girl couldn't have weighed more than a 110 pounds) and he had an accomplice, which was a much bigger stronger man.

The psychic said this accomplice got some sort of high after seeing what he and his friend had done to Annette and wanted to do it again. So, he returned to Breckenridge alone, picked up Bobbie and killed her. So it would seem that two different men killed Bobbie and Annette, but both of them were present when Annette was killed.

One psychic said that Bobbie's killer knew her and was infatuated with her. She said that he would often go to her work place to see her. And apparently he hated Bobbie's husband Jeff and wanted to get even with him for something. This was just one of those crimes where the victims were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

When the psychics were asked about the killers whereabouts, one of them stated that Bobbie's killer left town shortly after the murders but continued to come back all the time since his mother still lived there. And apparently, he just recently moved back himself.

Here's the best part - both of the psychics came up with the same names of the killers and they are both being investigated as of right now. They traced a man that owned that type of car in the area and found out that he bought a gun two weeks before the murders. Unfortunately, one of the suspects died a few years after the murders in an attempted bank robbery but it seems that this investigation has been given new life which I think is awesome.

I taped this episode so when I have a chance, I'll go back and watch it again to get any extra details I might have forgotten.

[CanadianUMFan]

If we believe anything that these psychics are saying, does that mean that that Luther guy mentioned in another thread as a probable suspect really wasn't involved with these murders after all? Also, would they not have some DNA evidence from each of the crime scenes to check for a possible match with suspects?

[slasherman]

would have been interesting to see this episode...but I dont believe in the two different men teory. It was one killer.

[TheRob]

I just came across this new (less than two week old) article on the crime; I had never seen mention of the unidentified picture in the UM segment.


http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcase...-breckenridge/

[suzannec4444]

Hi
Did they say these were the two psychics Psychics Laurie Campbell and Pam Coronado?

suzanne

[crystaldawn]

Originally Posted by TheRob

I just came across this new (less than two week old) article on the crime; I had never seen mention of the unidentified picture in the UM segment.


http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcase...-breckenridge/

Thanks for the link to that article. Yes very interesting about the unidentified picture of a man in Schnee's belongings. Wonder who he could be?