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freshprinceofLA · 09-09-2006, 03:20 AM

Art Monk- Wide Reciever, Washington Redskins
Chris Carter- Wide Reciever, Minnesota Vikings
Michael Irvin- Wide Reciever, Dallas Cowboys
Andre Reed- Wide Reciever, Buffalo Bills
L.C. Greenwood- Linebacker, Pittsburg Steelers
Terell Davis- Running Back, Denver Broncos
Derrick Thomas- Linebacker, Kansas City Chiefs
Randell Cunningham- Quarterback, Philadelphia Eagles
Ray Guy- Punter, Oakland Raiders

bandito · 09-09-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by freshprinceofLA

Art Monk- Wide Reciever, Washington Redskins
Chris Carter- Wide Reciever, Minnesota Vikings
Michael Irvin- Wide Reciever, Dallas Cowboys
Andre Reed- Wide Reciever, Buffalo Bills
L.C. Greenwood- Linebacker, Pittsburg Steelers
Terell Davis- Running Back, Denver Broncos
Derrick Thomas- Linebacker, Kansas City Chiefs
Randell Cunningham- Quarterback, Philadelphia Eagles
Ray Guy- Punter, Oakland Raiders

I agree with that list, with the exception of Michael Irvin & Randall Cunningham. L.C. Greenwood was a DL not a Linebacker.

Stuck In The '70's · 09-09-2006, 11:19 AM

I agree with that list except for Terrell Davis. He just didn't play long enough. He only had a few good years. I don't know about Cunningham either. He was good but I'm not sure he's HOF material.

GARFIELDKOOL · 09-09-2006, 04:15 PM

Art Monk should have been in there a long time ago. At one point, he was the all time leader in receptions.

hoodedcobra69 · 09-09-2006, 04:39 PM

no terell davis

lazygrae · 09-10-2006, 12:25 AM

Bob Kuechenberg - Guard, Miami Dolphins

James · 09-10-2006, 02:51 AM

How about Norman Julius "Boomer" Esiason, the Cincinnati Bengals quarterback in the 1980s? (He hosted Monday Night Football for a while, as well.)

moeee · 09-11-2006, 04:49 PM

Richard Dent should get in. DE for the bears.

freshprinceofLA · 09-19-2006, 09:29 PM

Yea u guys are right I should change some of the list thx for the corrections. but one to add to the list is the raiders QB kenny stabler. Oh yea and the cowboys TE Jay Novacheck

freshprinceofLA · 09-19-2006, 09:42 PM

Also I just remembered that DE Mark Gastineau probably isen't in the hall but should be!

Junichiro · 09-20-2006, 02:14 PM

Bob Hayes - receiver

Changed the way the game was played with Olympic Gold Medal speed no one could cover one on one. They had to invent the zone defense for him!

Tweety · 09-20-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by James

How about Norman Julius "Boomer" Esiason, the Cincinnati Bengals quarterback in the 1980s? (He hosted Monday Night Football for a while, as well.)

His is a tough case. He never won anything, he played 14 years and was a four time pro-bowler. I don't think too many people thought of him as a hall of famer while he was playing. And nobody seemed to suggest, at the time he retired, that he'd be a hall of famer some day...

Plus, if one asks, "is Esiason the best player (or even the best QB) who is eligible for the HOF but not in?", the answer has to be 'no'.

And wow, I totally forgot that Ken Stabler isn't in the HOF yet, but it's true...he's not.

I think the Football HOF committee is really screwed up. They're very secretive, but it seems that, not only do they not put guys in that should be there, but it takes them far too long to put guys in that OBVIOUSLY belong... I don't know what their problem is...

Lynn Swann and John Stallworth are two examples, but there are many... Swann retires in 1982, and doesn't make the HOF until 2001???...it was ridiculous... and John Stallworth retires in 1987, but is not inducted until 2002?? Makes me wonder...did the Hall of Fame voters EVER watch a little thing call the SUPER BOWL???

There are probably a few players from the Cowboys of the 70s that should be in the HOF, but because they lost those two Super Bowls to (ahem) MY Steelers (!!), they missed out... this, of course, could be evidence that the HOF voters DID in fact, watch those Super Bowls. So SOMETHING'S SCREWED UP with these voters!

And man, Ray Guy...great call there, Freshprince!! I've been hearing announcers AND coaches AND players say for the last 35+ years of watching the NFL that it's a game of field position... and who better exemplifies that than Ray Guy, the greatest punter in the history of the game?

The football HOF voters are the most screwed up of any of the three major sports...it's not even close.

But I also agree with Freshprince... Irvin WAS, unquestionably, a major contributor to 3 S.B. championship teams...as a wide receiveer, he was the third most important member of that great trio (with Aikman and Smith), but I think Irvin will get in eventually. I don't think Cunningham will.

Gastenau was a totally dominant defensive player for the Jets in the early to mid 80s... I don't know off the top of my head how long he played, but no one could handle him when he was in his prime... The fortunes of those Jets teams he played on might have hurt his chances.

Tom Brady should be in as well... yeah, I know...he's still active...but why waste time, give him a plaque now ... HOF committies have done worse!

freshprinceofLA · 09-22-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweety

His is a tough case. He never won anything, he played 14 years and was a four time pro-bowler. I don't think too many people thought of him as a hall of famer while he was playing. And nobody seemed to suggest, at the time he retired, that he'd be a hall of famer some day...

Plus, if one asks, "is Esiason the best player (or even the best QB) who is eligible for the HOF but not in?", the answer has to be 'no'.

And wow, I totally forgot that Ken Stabler isn't in the HOF yet, but it's true...he's not.

I think the Football HOF committee is really screwed up. They're very secretive, but it seems that, not only do they not put guys in that should be there, but it takes them far too long to put guys in that OBVIOUSLY belong... I don't know what their problem is...

Lynn Swann and John Stallworth are two examples, but there are many... Swann retires in 1982, and doesn't make the HOF until 2001???...it was ridiculous... and John Stallworth retires in 1987, but is not inducted until 2002?? Makes me wonder...did the Hall of Fame voters EVER watch a little thing call the SUPER BOWL???

There are probably a few players from the Cowboys of the 70s that should be in the HOF, but because they lost those two Super Bowls to (ahem) MY Steelers (!!), they missed out... this, of course, could be evidence that the HOF voters DID in fact, watch those Super Bowls. So SOMETHING'S SCREWED UP with these voters!

And man, Ray Guy...great call there, Freshprince!! I've been hearing announcers AND coaches AND players say for the last 35+ years of watching the NFL that it's a game of field position... and who better exemplifies that than Ray Guy, the greatest punter in the history of the game?

The football HOF voters are the most screwed up of any of the three major sports...it's not even close.

But I also agree with Freshprince... Irvin WAS, unquestionably, a major contributor to 3 S.B. championship teams...as a wide receiveer, he was the third most important member of that great trio (with Aikman and Smith), but I think Irvin will get in eventually. I don't think Cunningham will.

Gastenau was a totally dominant defensive player for the Jets in the early to mid 80s... I don't know off the top of my head how long he played, but no one could handle him when he was in his prime... The fortunes of those Jets teams he played on might have hurt his chances.

Tom Brady should be in as well... yeah, I know...he's still active...but why waste time, give him a plaque now ... HOF committies have done worse!

wow thanks for the opinion. What about Morten or Gary Anderson the kickers. Even tho morten is active. Also FB Larry Centers, WR Tim Brown even tho he'll probably get in, and I think if he's not already there they should put AL Michaels in the hall as a contributer!

freshprinceofLA · 09-22-2006, 08:16 PM

Jim Plunkett I was going to mention. another snubbed raider QB. He led dem 2 2 of their 3 sb's. But he got injured lots and had lots of bad records. that might hurt his chances.

theshark8777 · 09-22-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GARFIELDKOOL

Art Monk should have been in there a long time ago. At one point, he was the all time leader in receptions.

That was the first name to pop in my mind.

09-09-2006, 03:20 AM	#1
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09-09-2006, 04:15 PM	#4
GARFIELDKOOL Senior Member Member Join Date: Sep 02, 2004 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,025	Art Monk should have been in there a long time ago. At one point, he was the all time leader in receptions.

09-09-2006, 04:39 PM	#5
hoodedcobra69 Occasional Poster Member Join Date: Jul 05, 2006 Posts: 24	no terell davis

09-10-2006, 02:51 AM	#7
James Senior Member Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2001 Location: Dayton, Ohio, USA Posts: 6,125	How about Norman Julius "Boomer" Esiason, the Cincinnati Bengals quarterback in the 1980s? (He hosted Monday Night Football for a while, as well.)

09-11-2006, 04:49 PM	#8
moeee Forum Celebrity Peanut Butter Ice Cream Pie Join Date: Jul 31, 2003 Posts: 40,072	Richard Dent should get in. DE for the bears.

09-19-2006, 09:29 PM	#9
freshprinceofLA Senior Member The Bosses Join Date: Aug 09, 2005 Location: A small town in: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,804	Yea u guys are right I should change some of the list thx for the corrections. but one to add to the list is the raiders QB kenny stabler. Oh yea and the cowboys TE Jay Novacheck

09-19-2006, 09:42 PM	#10
freshprinceofLA Senior Member The Bosses Join Date: Aug 09, 2005 Location: A small town in: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,804	Also I just remembered that DE Mark Gastineau probably isen't in the hall but should be!

09-20-2006, 02:14 PM	#11
Junichiro Frequent Poster "I tell you what." Join Date: Jun 01, 2006 Location: St. Petersburg Posts: 109	Bob Hayes - receiver Changed the way the game was played with Olympic Gold Medal speed no one could cover one on one. They had to invent the zone defense for him!

09-22-2006, 08:16 PM	#14
freshprinceofLA Senior Member The Bosses Join Date: Aug 09, 2005 Location: A small town in: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,804	Jim Plunkett I was going to mention. another snubbed raider QB. He led dem 2 2 of their 3 sb's. But he got injured lots and had lots of bad records. that might hurt his chances.