Who else agrees that 704 Hauser Street was a spinoff?

Brian Damage · 04-26-2006, 08:53 PM

I know I do.

Ireneparalegal · 04-26-2006, 09:22 PM

i too agree.

JUST A LITTLE INFO:
Spin-off series
All in the Family spawned several spin-offs, beginning with Maude on September 12, 1972. Maude Findlay, played by Beatrice Arthur, was Edith's cousin; she had first appeared on All in the Family in December 1971 in order to help take care of the Bunkers when they all were sick. Maude disliked Archie intensely, mainly because she thought Edith could have married better, but also because Archie was a conservative while Maude was very liberal in her politics. Maude was featured in another All in the Family episode in which Archie and Edith visited Maude's home in Westchester County to attend the wedding of Maude's daughter Carol — it aired near the end of the second season in the spring of 1972. The episode was essentially designed to set up the premise for the spin-off series Maude. In the episode, Bill Macy played Maude's husband, Walter; it was a role he would reprise for the weekly series that fall. Marcia Rodd, the actress who played Carol in the episode was replaced by Adrienne Barbeau in Maude.

The second and longest-lasting spin-off of All in the Family was The Jeffersons. Debuting on CBS on January 18, 1975 The Jeffersons lasted 11 seasons compared to All in the Family's 9 seasons. The main characters of The Jeffersons were the Bunkers' former next-door neighbors George Jefferson (played by Sherman Hemsley, who had appeared from 1973 to 1975 on AiTF) and his wife, Louise "Weezie" Jefferson (played by Isabel Sanford, 1971-1975 on AiTF). George Jefferson was the owner of a chain of seven successful dry-cleaning stores; as The Jeffersons began, he and Louise had just moved from the Bunkers' neighborhood in Queens to a luxury high-rise apartment building on Manhattan's Upper East Side. George was considered to be the "Black Archie Bunker", and was just as racist as Archie (only from an African American perspective).

Other spin-offs of All in the Family include:

Archie Bunker's Place
Gloria
704 Hauser
Good Times (spin-off of Maude)
Checking In (spin-off of The Jeffersons)
Hanging In (originally a spin-off of Maude)

An animated series by Hanna-Barbera entitled Wait Till Your Father Gets Home was very loosely based on All in the Family.

PhilaEaglesHater · 04-26-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I know I do.

It was a NEW VERSION of the Orginal Series

Brian Damage · 04-26-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TVResearcher

It was a NEW VERSION of the Orginal Series

That is where you are wrong Solomon, if it was a new version, the lead character would be Archie Bunker. This series had all new characters, living in the old house of the Bunkers, therefore it was a spinoff.

PhilaEaglesHater · 04-26-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

That is where you are wrong Solomon, if it was a new version, the lead character would be Archie Bunker. This series had all new characters, living in the old house of the Bunkers, therefore it was a spinoff.

How can it be considered a spinoff and the show premeired 24 years later?

Brian Damage · 04-26-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TVResearcher

How can it be considered a spinoff and the show premeired 24 years later?

Show me where it states that in order to be a spinoff, you have to do it in a certain amount of time.

PhilaEaglesHater · 04-26-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Show me where it states that in order to be a spinoff, you have to do it in a certain amount of time.

I'm sure it's not 24 years-lol

Ireneparalegal · 04-26-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TVResearcher

How can it be considered a spinoff and the show premeired 24 years later?

I didn't know there was a statute of limitations on spin-offs...

PhilaEaglesHater · 04-26-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

I didn't know there was a statute of limitations on spin-offs...

It's not listed in the Directory of Primetime TV shows as a spinoff.

Ireneparalegal · 04-26-2006, 10:43 PM

Television features:
PROVOCATIVE TV PRODUCER NORMAN LEAR RETURNS TO ARCHIE BUNKER'S OLD PLACE AT '704 HAUSER' FOR HIS NEW CBS SITCOM. WILL IT BE ANOTHER FEATHER IN HIS CAP OR JUST... OLD HAT?
(Entertainment Weekly) SOURCE: Benjamin Svetkey; 04-15-1994

I knew when I created this show that someday a journalist would come in here and accuse me or repeating myself, of stealing from my past, of reversing the All in the Family formula." Norman Lear slumps into the arms of his office chair. "And here you are." Sorry about that, Norm. But the similarities between Lear's old Archie Bunker show and his latest sitcom, 704 Hauser (CBS, Mondays, 8:30-9 p.m.), are kinda tough to ignore. For starters, the new series takes place in the same tacky tract house-704 Hauser Street in Queens, N.Y.-where Archie Bunker resided from 1971-1983. And while the show isn't about a loveable bigot and his left-wing, meathead son-in-law, it does feature a '60s-liberal African- American dad (John Amos) who's locked in ideological combat with his ultraconservative, Clarence Thomas-loving son (T.E. Russell).

It also has a feisty, anti-Edith mom and a hot-to-trot potential daughter-in-law who happens to be-Socially Relevant Plot Point!-white and Jewish. For Lear, 71, moving a black family into Archie's old abode is more than a gimmicky stroll down memory lane-it's a return to the territory that turned him into a TV legend. The success of All in the Family, the first sitcom to take on such TV taboos as racial prejudice and anti-Vietnam War protest, started a string of groundbreaking spin-offs that made Lear one of the most ace-high producers in TV history. Edith's cousin got her own show, Maude, in 1972.

Maude's maid got a series, Good Times, in 1974. The Bunkers' neighbors moved on up to The Jeffersons in 1975. At one point in the mid-'70s, Lear was juggling seven series at the same time (including Sanford and Son, One Day at a Time, and Mary Hartman, Mary Harman). No wonder he was called King Lear. But that was then. These days Lear is better known for his lefty advocacy organizations (People for the American Way,) The Business Enterprise Trust) and his reported $100 million 1987 divorce form his wife, Frances. His recent TV offerings-a.k.a. Pablo (1984), Sunday Dinner (1991), The Powers That Be (1992) have all tanked. Question is, will his latest All in the Family riff recapture that old Bunker magic? " I'll tell you how the show came about," Lear offers while fielding phone calls in his sparsely furnished Hollywood office. "I've been keeping the sets for All in The Family in storage since it went off the air.

Every year my accountant calls and yells at me for spending money on storage bills. The last time he called, I happened to be reading Thomas Sowell, who is perhaps the most listened-to voice of black conservatism in the country. A true scholar. And the next day it just hit me-there's a show in a black liberal father and his conservative son living in Archie Bunker's old place." Being neither black nor conservative didn't daunt Lear in the least. To give 704 Hauser a dose of political verisimilitude, he hired right-wing black radio host Armstrong Williams as a creative consultant ("I make sure Lear's liberal writers don't turn the characters into conservative stereotypes," Williams says). Lear also cast Amos, who years earlier had left Good Times because of conflicts with him over creative and racial issues. "At Good Times, I thought we should've had more black writers on staff," Amos recalls. "I felt I should've been more involved in the development of scripts. But we don't have those fights on 704 Hauser.

Lear is more willing to listen nowadays. He's mellowed. We've both mellowed. We actually enjoy working together." What they're working on, Lear makes a point of stressing, should not be construed as All in the Family: The Next Generation. "I chose to set it in the Bunkers' house because I couldn't resist the theatricality of it," he says. "But I could have set it anywhere. Its characters are totally different from All in the Family. Archie and Mike were fools-wonderful and delicious, but fools. The people in 704 Hauser are much more responsible. They know what they're talking about when they argue. That's one of the show's biggest differences." It may also turn out to be one of its biggest weaknesses. Some reviewers are already complaining that the show is too earnest for its own good, with its characters delivering more speeches than punch lines (see EW 217). Nevertheless, CBS is clearly putting its muscle behind Lear's project: The network has given the show a prime time slot, leading into Murphy Brown. "I want the series to be entertaining, above all else," says Lear. "But I also want the show to have meaning. I'm a grown man. I don't play with toys. I'm a serious person. Everything I've ever done has been serious. This is a serious show." Maybe so, but it would be a shame if Lear dusted off the formula for his most enduring masterpiece only to leave out a crucial ingredient-laughs.

Copyright 1994 Time Inc. SOURCE: Benjamin Svetkey.

Brian Damage · 04-26-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TVResearcher

I'm sure it's not 24 years-lol

Solomon, it doesn't matter how long ago the original series was. What if Mike and Gloria get a new series next year? Would you call it a NEW VERSION or a Spinoff?

PhilaEaglesHater · 04-26-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Solomon, it doesn't matter how long ago the original series was. What if Mike and Gloria get a new series next year? Would you call it a NEW VERSION or a Spinoff?

A New Version

Brian Damage · 04-26-2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TVResearcher

A New Version

You are so wrong Solomon. What if Carlton got his own show now after Fresh Prince? A new version? Solomon, you have lost it.

PhilaEaglesHater · 04-26-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

You are so wrong Solomon. What if Carlton got his own show now after Fresh Prince? A new version? Solomon, you have lost it.

You are confusing Spinoff with Remake. It even said in the article Irene posted that Lear was returning to his old roots

04-26-2006, 08:53 PM	#1
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Ireneparalegal Forum Celebrity LEGAL SPICE ;) Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,550	i too agree. JUST A LITTLE INFO: Spin-off series All in the Family spawned several spin-offs, beginning with Maude on September 12, 1972. Maude Findlay, played by Beatrice Arthur, was Edith's cousin; she had first appeared on All in the Family in December 1971 in order to help take care of the Bunkers when they all were sick. Maude disliked Archie intensely, mainly because she thought Edith could have married better, but also because Archie was a conservative while Maude was very liberal in her politics. Maude was featured in another All in the Family episode in which Archie and Edith visited Maude's home in Westchester County to attend the wedding of Maude's daughter Carol — it aired near the end of the second season in the spring of 1972. The episode was essentially designed to set up the premise for the spin-off series Maude. In the episode, Bill Macy played Maude's husband, Walter; it was a role he would reprise for the weekly series that fall. Marcia Rodd, the actress who played Carol in the episode was replaced by Adrienne Barbeau in Maude. The second and longest-lasting spin-off of All in the Family was The Jeffersons. Debuting on CBS on January 18, 1975 The Jeffersons lasted 11 seasons compared to All in the Family's 9 seasons. The main characters of The Jeffersons were the Bunkers' former next-door neighbors George Jefferson (played by Sherman Hemsley, who had appeared from 1973 to 1975 on AiTF) and his wife, Louise "Weezie" Jefferson (played by Isabel Sanford, 1971-1975 on AiTF). George Jefferson was the owner of a chain of seven successful dry-cleaning stores; as The Jeffersons began, he and Louise had just moved from the Bunkers' neighborhood in Queens to a luxury high-rise apartment building on Manhattan's Upper East Side. George was considered to be the "Black Archie Bunker", and was just as racist as Archie (only from an African American perspective). Other spin-offs of All in the Family include: Archie Bunker's Place Gloria 704 Hauser Good Times (spin-off of Maude) Checking In (spin-off of The Jeffersons) Hanging In (originally a spin-off of Maude) An animated series by Hanna-Barbera entitled Wait Till Your Father Gets Home was very loosely based on All in the Family. __________________ DALLAS COWBOYS ARE HERE AT TRAINING CAMP!!!

04-26-2006, 10:43 PM	#11
Ireneparalegal Forum Celebrity LEGAL SPICE ;) Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,550	NORMAN LEAR article in EW regarding new show Television features: PROVOCATIVE TV PRODUCER NORMAN LEAR RETURNS TO ARCHIE BUNKER'S OLD PLACE AT '704 HAUSER' FOR HIS NEW CBS SITCOM. WILL IT BE ANOTHER FEATHER IN HIS CAP OR JUST... OLD HAT? (Entertainment Weekly) SOURCE: Benjamin Svetkey; 04-15-1994 I knew when I created this show that someday a journalist would come in here and accuse me or repeating myself, of stealing from my past, of reversing the All in the Family formula." Norman Lear slumps into the arms of his office chair. "And here you are." Sorry about that, Norm. But the similarities between Lear's old Archie Bunker show and his latest sitcom, 704 Hauser (CBS, Mondays, 8:30-9 p.m.), are kinda tough to ignore. For starters, the new series takes place in the same tacky tract house-704 Hauser Street in Queens, N.Y.-where Archie Bunker resided from 1971-1983. And while the show isn't about a loveable bigot and his left-wing, meathead son-in-law, it does feature a '60s-liberal African- American dad (John Amos) who's locked in ideological combat with his ultraconservative, Clarence Thomas-loving son (T.E. Russell). It also has a feisty, anti-Edith mom and a hot-to-trot potential daughter-in-law who happens to be-Socially Relevant Plot Point!-white and Jewish. For Lear, 71, moving a black family into Archie's old abode is more than a gimmicky stroll down memory lane-it's a return to the territory that turned him into a TV legend. The success of All in the Family, the first sitcom to take on such TV taboos as racial prejudice and anti-Vietnam War protest, started a string of groundbreaking spin-offs that made Lear one of the most ace-high producers in TV history. Edith's cousin got her own show, Maude, in 1972. Maude's maid got a series, Good Times, in 1974. The Bunkers' neighbors moved on up to The Jeffersons in 1975. At one point in the mid-'70s, Lear was juggling seven series at the same time (including Sanford and Son, One Day at a Time, and Mary Hartman, Mary Harman). No wonder he was called King Lear. But that was then. These days Lear is better known for his lefty advocacy organizations (People for the American Way,) The Business Enterprise Trust) and his reported $100 million 1987 divorce form his wife, Frances. His recent TV offerings-a.k.a. Pablo (1984), Sunday Dinner (1991), The Powers That Be (1992) have all tanked. Question is, will his latest All in the Family riff recapture that old Bunker magic? " I'll tell you how the show came about," Lear offers while fielding phone calls in his sparsely furnished Hollywood office. "I've been keeping the sets for All in The Family in storage since it went off the air. Every year my accountant calls and yells at me for spending money on storage bills. The last time he called, I happened to be reading Thomas Sowell, who is perhaps the most listened-to voice of black conservatism in the country. A true scholar. And the next day it just hit me-there's a show in a black liberal father and his conservative son living in Archie Bunker's old place." Being neither black nor conservative didn't daunt Lear in the least. To give 704 Hauser a dose of political verisimilitude, he hired right-wing black radio host Armstrong Williams as a creative consultant ("I make sure Lear's liberal writers don't turn the characters into conservative stereotypes," Williams says). Lear also cast Amos, who years earlier had left Good Times because of conflicts with him over creative and racial issues. "At Good Times, I thought we should've had more black writers on staff," Amos recalls. "I felt I should've been more involved in the development of scripts. But we don't have those fights on 704 Hauser. Lear is more willing to listen nowadays. He's mellowed. We've both mellowed. We actually enjoy working together." What they're working on, Lear makes a point of stressing, should not be construed as All in the Family: The Next Generation. "I chose to set it in the Bunkers' house because I couldn't resist the theatricality of it," he says. "But I could have set it anywhere. Its characters are totally different from All in the Family. Archie and Mike were fools-wonderful and delicious, but fools. The people in 704 Hauser are much more responsible. They know what they're talking about when they argue. That's one of the show's biggest differences." It may also turn out to be one of its biggest weaknesses. Some reviewers are already complaining that the show is too earnest for its own good, with its characters delivering more speeches than punch lines (see EW 217). Nevertheless, CBS is clearly putting its muscle behind Lear's project: The network has given the show a prime time slot, leading into Murphy Brown. "I want the series to be entertaining, above all else," says Lear. "But I also want the show to have meaning. I'm a grown man. I don't play with toys. I'm a serious person. Everything I've ever done has been serious. This is a serious show." Maybe so, but it would be a shame if Lear dusted off the formula for his most enduring masterpiece only to leave out a crucial ingredient-laughs. Copyright 1994 Time Inc. SOURCE: Benjamin Svetkey.

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