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Old 01-21-2007, 11:50 PM   #31
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As I said, I wasn't saying it was definitely true that Amy had been found and declined contact.

I was just saying, that is the allegation (and the author of the article admits he hasn't been able independently to verify the claim).

SiberianKiss, since you know the family, what was the truth about the lawsuit that was dismissed. What 'witnesses' were the Bradleys found to have withheld from the case, do you know? And what was their alleged evidence about seeing Amy?

Can't find the link to the actual judgment anywhere.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:11 AM   #32
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well I don't know them personally, I just talk them via email at times.

the lawsuit was thrown out because of failure to mention 100 witnesses or so that said they saw "someone looking like Amy" alive and under no duress since her disappearance.

Oh? The lawsuit was dismissed in 2000, Amy vanished in 1998. In two years nobody could locate her with all these supposed sightings of somebody who "looked" like Amy? and none of them were able to say where she was? Were none of these 100 people interested in the $250,000 reward that went with any information leading to Amy's whereabouts? I'd like to see how credible these 100 witnesses are.

They also threw out the lawsuit on the grounds that ONLY three people reported seeing "someone looking like Amy" and under duress.

This is not true. not only did somebody report seeing somebody that looked like Amy, well that's not possible because this person didn't know anything about the Amy Bradley disappearance or who she was, he couldn't have claimed anybody looked like Amy because he never heard of her. What he did know was the woman who came up to him in the brothel and said "my name is amy bradley and i need help, etc etc" much different than what the grounds of tossing the lawsuit out claimed. there were also other credible witnesses.
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:02 AM   #33
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Here's the website I mentioned, with a posting from the executive editor on September 19, 2005:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...mes;read=78783

"The Bradleys have reviewed the information which was developed here ( and which had previously been the subject of some discussion with others ), on the subject of whether or not "Jas," the escort/companion pictured on a vacation resort for adults only, was actually their daughter Amy Lynn Bradley.

We have had a frank and courteous discussion about the subject, and they are obviously the most expert in what their long-missing daughter really looked like, and how she might have aged over the seven years and six months since she disappeared.

Mrs. Bradley in particular feels very strongly that "Jas", as previously pictured here, does not bear a close enough resemblance to her missing daughter to be a valid lead for any continuing investigation."

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The conspiracy stuff includes contradiction or alternate theories, virtually by necessity to explain different aspects. One theory is the captors are stupid so it's hardly surprising they post pictures of an abducted girl on a website. The other theory is they only take pictures that don't show her tattoos. See what I mean? Which is it, dunces or strategically clever? I don't see how it can be both. If they go out of their way to conceal the tattoos, presumably to hide that it's Amy, why not change her hair color, or put on a wig, or provide a facial angle that makes it look nothing like Amy?

I'd like to know more about the sailor's story. Like Dark Dante indicated in the Brad Bishop thread, claims like this carry much less weight when the people don't know each other. The guy could be looking for publicity. Or he could be a nutcase. The girl could legitimately have been trying to escape, and used a high profile name thinking it would cause alarm and help her chances. Countless permutations. That it happened as described and truly was Amy Bradley, is one I wouldn't put much stock in.
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Old 01-22-2007, 04:06 AM   #34
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Maybe the kidnappers know that they have Amy at a location where it would be easy to quickly move Amy and hide her somewhere if the authorities came looking or they have Amy at a location that doesn't have a good extradition treaty with the U.S. so they don't have as much to fear either way and maybe that could explain why they don't care if Amy's pic is out there. Where is the location the sailor allegedly saw Amy?

It could help clear up the veracity of the sailor's story if he could have identified the woman he saw in a picture lineup or something. I mean when that sailor talked to Amy's family they must've asked him if the girl he saw looked like Amy's pics. That must have been done, right?

If you show pics of 10 to 20 different women and he can pic out the girl he saw as Amy Bradley that would lend a lot more credibility to his story.
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Old 01-22-2007, 06:47 AM   #35
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if Amy Bradley was kidnapped and forced into prostitution, she's probably been held by many different people and shuffled around so much, whoever took those pictures probably doesn't know her story and she's just another woman off the streets as far as they're concerned, who knows?
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I found this story on my local news station, and as I was reading I noticed some of the details were just like the Amy Bradley case. I was not sure if it was Amy or not from the Dr. Phil Show photos. I hope they find her one day.
Here is the story from WFTV:

http://www.wftv.com/news/13526426/detail.html
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Wow. Thanks for the link. I see the similarities in the cases, too. It really makes you wonder....
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Old 04-30-2008, 02:10 AM   #38
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Maybe her dad or family should set up a "rendevous" with "Jas" and get some answers
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:54 PM   #39
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This whole case is completely baffling. I must say, if she was abducted and became a so-called "white slave," her captors must have been very sneaky. It seems more plausible that she was killed by the musician who flirted with her. Still, nothing is set in stone.

1-If she was enslaved, and that's a big 'if', how were captors able to get her without being seen? How did they enter the Bradley family's room without being seen? Also, why didn't other passengers on ship see Amy leave with some shady men? The UM segment makes no mention of her been seen on the ship after her disappearance. That begs the question, did she fall to her death or did she leave the ship safely?

2-If she was at a nightclub on the ship, there's a chance that she was drinking. One thing could have led to another, Amy could have accidentally fallen off the ship while she was intoxicated.

3-It's still strange to me that Amy's brother said that the musician on the ship knew what had happened to Amy, even though only Amy's family knew of her disappearance. That alone makes him suspect.
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1-If she was enslaved, and that's a big 'if', how were captors able to get her without being seen? How did they enter the Bradley family's room without being seen? Also, why didn't other passengers on ship see Amy leave with some shady men? The UM segment makes no mention of her been seen on the ship after her disappearance. That begs the question, did she fall to her death or did she leave the ship safely?


a. I believe that Amy went willingly to see her captors.
b. I don;t know how you tell "shady men" from anyone else on the boat? These guys probably looked like any other tourist on the boat.
c. If a date rape drug of some sort was used, they could have moved her off the boat upright and concious. Amy would have looked like a girl drunk or having fun with a boy.
d. If I remember, Amy was a small girl. Pretty easy to transport in a blanket or case of some sort.
e. It should not be ruled out that the kidnappers may be members of the ships crew.

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2-If she was at a nightclub on the ship, there's a chance that she was drinking. One thing could have led to another, Amy could have accidentally fallen off the ship while she was intoxicated.

I'm afraid that may be the most likely scenario.

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3-It's still strange to me that Amy's brother said that the musician on the ship knew what had happened to Amy, even though only Amy's family knew of her disappearance. That alone makes him suspect.

Perhapss.

1. It's quite possible that he may have witnessed Amy falling off by accident, and was too frightened to say anything. Perhaps he feared some immigration consequences.
2. It's possible that the musician has a criminal record of some sort. Perhaps he gave extasy to Amy or was dealing drugs.
3. If Amy was kidnapped, he may have been a "spotter". Someone who find easy targets for the kidnappers.
4. Perhaps he some sort of gigolo. Amy may have been one of his victims. Maybe he tried to rape her and she fell accidently or intentionally.
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Old 12-15-2009, 09:12 PM   #41
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This case has always baffled me as well. As mystery lovers, sometimes I think we have a habit of wanting there to be something in a story that simply isn't there. I'm not discounting the sex-slavery idea, but it is completely possible, if not likely, that she simply fell of the balcony.

Falling off the balcony theory: It was well documented that Amy and her brother stayed out late drinking at the ship's nightclub, and the brother has stated that they drank a lot. Amy was seen sleeping on the balcony around 5am by her father (can't remember the precise time). Thirty minutes or so later, she's gone. A lot has been made that she was afraid of the side of the boat, but if you're drunk, or even sleep walking, you never know. Maybe she woke up to light a cigarette (she was a smoker), and was leaning on the balcony and simply fell. Apparently this happens frequently on cruise ships. One other thing I noticed after watching the segment again: Amy's dad said he woke up at 5:30 am and saw the lower part of Amy's body on a lounge chair (this of course doesn't necessarily mean that she was sleeping). Also, he said that when he woke up the door was shut, "because if it had been open I would have closed it." Makes sense, but in addition to memory issues, I find it notable that he randomly woke up twice in the middle of the night; this says that, perhaps, the door was NOT closed, in that there was enough noise from the outside to wake him up twice. Additionally, Amy's brother commented that she said, herself, that she wasn't feeling well when she went out on the balcony (she felt it was due to sea sickness), but it gives rise to the possibility that she had been given something drug wise, or that she was incredibly drunk. I know when I've had way too much to drink it feels like sea sickness. Just something else worth mentioning. This is not a flashy idea, but it seems probable.

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What makes me wonder about the falling off the balcony theory (and it's not a lot) is that her dad claims that the door to the balcony was closed when he noticed Amy sleeping, and open when Amy was gone. This suggests that she opened the door to come into the room. Well, first, he could have been mistaken in his memory; second, she could have opened the door and gone back out to the balcony (perhaps her cigs were in the room and she went in to get them and then then went back out. They also point out that her cigs were missing, and theorize that this meant that she left the room with them. Could be, or she could have had the pack in her hand when she fell over.

Regardless, I think the way the cruise management handled the issue was horrendous. They didn't want to "disturb or alarm" the guests by making an announcement before the ship docked. One would think that, when a young woman can't be found by her family, the ship would go on lock down, at least to make sure she was still on the boat. By the time they made the announcement and supposedly searched hundreds of rooms, most of the people on the ship had gotten off of it. Ridiculous.

The witnesses, as many have stated, are always suspect; the army guy story is intriguing, but what baffles me is that he's basing this claim after several years had passed. I have no doubt that a woman came up to him asking for help, but for him to remember what she said her name was, several years after it happened? I just don't know. I mean, the name could have been similar sounding, and when he read about the case, [i]thought[i] that she had said Amy Bradley. You know what I mean?

I would be interested in knowing if the band member (the one people point to as the suspect) was given a lie detector test, had an alibi, etc. I would like to think that he was questioned and the police concluded he wasn't involved.

Regardless, this is a horrible case, and I feel very sorry for her family. I contacted them via email several months ago, because they apparently live only 20 mins from where I live, just to express my sympathies. Her mother responded, and said that there have been no new leads or updates for years, but that she feels that Amy is somewhere in Venezuela or Central America, being held against her will... Obviously there must be some info she has to make her feel this way.

My prayers go out to them.

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Regardless, I think the way the cruise management handled the issue was horrendous. They didn't want to "disturb or alarm" the guests by making an announcement before the ship docked. One would think that, when a young woman can't be found by her family, the ship would go on lock down, at least to make sure she was still on the boat

1. Keep in mind that she is "only missing". Strange as it sounds that may not be serious enough to warrant that kind of security response.

2. Ship security and police have a tendency to be extremely inexperienced and lackluster in general. Want to commit a crime do it on a cruise boat? Do it on a crusie boat?

Matt C, A few questions I have?

1. What law enforcement has jurisdiction over this case?
2. What class of ship was the cruise ship? (I'm considering doing a google search to see what the layout of the ship was)
3. Has a "john" or prostitute ever come forward to say that they worked with or was serviced by Amy?


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More likely to be in Southeast Asia, where young Caucasian women are like gold to slave brothels. In Latin America you can find different types of women for prostitution. But in Asia, non-Asian women are scarce for prostitution. Any brothel that has an caucasian prostitute to over instead of Asian prostitutes is going to make a killing.
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Mastermind: Thanks for posting a reply to my comments on Amy Bradley. I have gotten all of my info by doing research online, so I don't really have the inside scoop; I did get an email from Amy's mom, and all she said regarding new information on the case was that they suspect she is in Venezuela or Latin America, and I'm assuming they have reason to believe that.

As far as your questions:

1: The ship was owned by a Dutch company if I recall correctly, so the jurisdiction falls within the home country; however, if the crime involves a US citizen, the US FBI can get involved, and probably did.
2: I'm not sure, but I do remember that the UM segment mentioned that there were 99 rooms on the ship.
3: As far as I know, no John or prostitute has ever come forward. The eyewitness accounts have all occurred years after her disappearance, and include an army guy who says he was approached by a woman who asked for help while he was visiting a brothel in Aruba (I think), and that the woman said her name was "Amy Bradley." The witness came forward three years after she went missing. Another couple say that they saw a woman who looked like Amy being escorted by two men on the beach, and they were able to describe her tattoos accurately. Someone said they saw someone who looked like her in San Fransisco, of all places, being "handled" by two men.

Finally, as was mentioned on the UM segment, a woman on the ship claimed she saw Amy in the early morning hours (around the time she went missing) walking with the Bass player of the ship's band, up some stairs.

I think you are right that there really is virtually no evidence to prove or disprove anything. How frustrating right?
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Thanks, matt.

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1: The ship was owned by a Dutch company if I recall correctly, so the jurisdiction falls within the home country; however, if the crime involves a US citizen, the US FBI can get involved, and probably did.

I was afraid of that answer. A jurisdictrional snafu. Which probably didn't hep an already difficulty case.

1. God only knows who the Netherlands police sent over to investigate, if they even went that far. If they sent anyone, it would be one investigator that that probably just wanted to get a free vacation. They most likely sent the Aruban police with some adjunct investigator from the Dutch Embassy. I think the Netherlands still keep an army division in Aruba as well.

2. The potential abduction angle would have necessitated the appearance of the FBI. But once the kidnapping angle was exhausted, how much was there exposure in this case? There has to be a file on Amy's disappearance with the FBI, so some sqad supervisor's name is associated and responsible for the disappearance. Someone has to look at that open case on his record.
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Can someone please explain where this photo came from? Did someone just send it to the family anonymously?

Also, I am intrigued by the photo even if not convinced. Look at those distinctive cheekbones.
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