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Old 06-18-2005, 10:10 PM   #76
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well i know that Less Than Perfect keeps getting renewed because it is owned by ABC/Disney and thus finiacally more porfitable to them in the long run.

Sorry, but 8 Simple Rules is owned also by Disney. They both are Touchstone Television shows. So ABC apparently thought LTP was a better syndication show for them, because 8SR always did and continues to beat it in the ratings every week.
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I just stumbled across this thread. I didn't realize that 8 Simple Rules was cancelled. That's too bad. I know it had a devoted and large fan base. I'm sorry for all the fans here. It's difficult when one of your favorite shows is cancelled. I feel the same way about American Dreams.
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Yeah, we experience withdrawl. It is difficult,but I hope it eventually gets syndication or DVD release.
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Yes, I agree John's death is a major reason the ratings went down and the show got cancelled. Another reason I beleive is because after his death the producers added more character that really didn't need to be added at all. They should have let the show gone on with Cate as a single mother instead of adding the grandfather to act as a sort of replacement father for the show.
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I think that with John Ritters death the main point of the show was lost. It had been about his reaction to them growing up but then it was forced to change. I agree that without him they didn't really get a good charector to replace him. Instead they added alot of new charectors that wern't very important. For me the show just wasn't funny anymore without him.
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I think the show was still funny after John's death. I thought Kaley Cuoco, James Garner and Martin Spanjers were very funny, although I just don't find David Spade's brand of comedy funny. Someone on another board said his character was less mature than the kids and I agree. Those stupid sight gags made me want to throw my shoes through the TV set. I also think Kerry was not funny, just annoying.Though I think the show was at its best when John and Kaley were riffing back and forth.

I think it's still somewhat of a mystery why ABC cancelled 8 Simple Rules. They moved it to the tough Friday timeslot, when ratings only fell a bit in Season 2 (Ratings fell more within both Seasons 1 and 2, due to American Idol, than they did from the end of Season 1 to Season 2). Still, ABC had to ignore the usual ratings standards to cancell it: Less Than Perfect's ratings were lower and Hope and Faith's were a statistical tie with 8 Simple Rules. Then they put out this cockamamie story that audiences wouldn't understand that John Ritter died and was "replaced" by James Garner and David Spade.

I have heard only 2 plausible explanations why 8 Simple Rules was cancelled. One is that 8 Simple Rules was offered and turned down the midseason replacement slot that eventually went to Less Than Perfect. However, that wouldn't explain why Hope and Faith, with about the same rating, was an early renewal, while 8 Simple Rules was cancelled. The best explanation I have heard is that costs were to great for the ratings it was getting and that one or more of the highest paid cast members had "ironclad" contracts where the only way to avoid paying them the agreed amount was to cancel the show. One thing that is overlooked in explaining why 8SRs ratings were low enough that ABC could make even the shakiest justification for cancelling it is counterprogramming. In season 1, 8SR debuted at #4, I believe, but finished the season at #45. That is a pretty steep drop, due to competition from American Idol (note John Ritter was still alive then). The (unfortunately from my pov) brilliant piece of counterprogramming by Fox was followed by one of the most ineffective instances by ABC or any network in memory. They not only moved it to Friday where the audience is small and a lot of young viewers are out, but against Joan of Arcadia (which finished second but was still cancelled) and What I Like About You, which split the young viewers who were at home even further and neutralized their biggest draw imho, Kaley Cuoco. 8SR didn't have an 18-49 draw to challenge Dateline's domination of this demo and the time slot as a whole. I think John Ritter's death led to 8SRs cancellation in a different way than I have heard most people express: if he had been alive, he could have peeled off some of those viewers from Dateline and kept the show from being cancelled (though if he had lived, the show may never have been moved, we will never know that for sure.)

But that's just water under the bridge. Kaley will be joining my favorite drama with my other three favorite women of TV this fall, and starting January I will get to watch the three seasons of 8 Simple Rules again on the WB, so I'm not angry at these inconsistencies like I once was. All's well that ends well.

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I think the show was still funny after John's death. I thought Kaley Cuoco, James Garner and Martin Spanjers were very funny, although I just don't find David Spade's brand of comedy funny. Someone on another board said his character was less mature than the kids and I agree. Those stupid sight gags made me want to throw my shoes through the TV set. I also think Kerry was not funny, just annoying.Though I think the show was at its best when John and Kaley were riffing back and forth.

I think it's still somewhat of a mystery why ABC cancelled 8 Simple Rules. They moved it to the tough Friday timeslot, when ratings only fell a bit in Season 2 (Ratings fell more within both Seasons 1 and 2, due to American Idol, than they did from the end of Season 1 to Season 2). Still, ABC had to ignore the usual ratings standards to cancell it: Less Than Perfect's ratings were lower and Hope and Faith's were a statistical tie with 8 Simple Rules. Then they put out this cockamamie story that audiences wouldn't understand that John Ritter died and was "replaced" by James Garner and David Spade.

I have heard only 2 plausible explanations why 8 Simple Rules was cancelled. One is that 8 Simple Rules was offered and turned down the midseason replacement slot that eventually went to Less Than Perfect. However, that wouldn't explain why Hope and Faith, with about the same rating, was an early renewal, while 8 Simple Rules was cancelled. The best explanation I have heard is that costs were to great for the ratings it was getting and that one or more of the highest paid cast members had "ironclad" contracts where the only way to avoid paying them the agreed amount was to cancel the show. One thing that is overlooked in explaining why 8SRs ratings were low enough that ABC could make even the shakiest justification for cancelling it is counterprogramming. In season 1, 8SR debuted at #4, I believe, but finished the season at #45. That is a pretty steep drop, due to competition from American Idol (note John Ritter was still alive then). The (unfortunately from my pov) brilliant piece of counterprogramming by Fox was followed by one of the most ineffective instances by ABC or any network in memory. They not only moved it to Friday where the audience is small and a lot of young viewers are out, but against Joan of Arcadia (which finished second but was still cancelled) and What I Like About You, which split the young viewers who were at home even further and neutralized their biggest draw imho, Kaley Cuoco. 8SR didn't have an 18-49 draw to challenge Dateline's domination of this demo and the time slot as a whole. I think John Ritter's death led to 8SRs cancellation in a different way than I have heard most people express: if he had been alive, he could have peeled off some of those viewers from Dateline and kept the show from being cancelled (though if he had lived, the show may never have been moved, we will never know that for sure.)

But that's just water under the bridge. Kaley will be joining my favorite drama with my other three favorite women of TV this fall, and starting January I will get to watch the three seasons of 8 Simple Rules again on the WB, so I'm not angry at these inconsistencies like I once was. All's well that ends well.


I mostly agree with you, although imho Katey Segal is a big enough draw for the dateline crowd, she was just as big a star as John Ritter was.
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I keep reading where people think that it was John Ritters death is one of the main reasons that this show is cancelled. Ever think that maybe after 3 seasons with John Ritter it may have been cancelled also.
We will never know, but we do know that it lasted another 2 seasons without John Ritter, and I am a fan of his as well as Katey Sagal. David Spade is/was not funny and this may have a lot to do with the decline of the show, but also as stated before 8SR got a big fan base at the start of the second season out of curiosity. I tuned in to see how they would bid JR goodbye, and tuned out not long after that when they brought in David Spade. Many people tuned in for curiosity nothing more, bringing the ratings up and then when the whole capitalizing on JR death was over they quickly tuned out, thus bringing ratings back down.
If I recall correctly, didnt the cast help in making the decision to keep going on with the show, not just ABC/Disney whoever owns the show?

Syndication - As most of us know JR passed during the run of the show but not everyone tuned into the show while he was alive. The syndication out of order would be confusing to people who have not watched the show in the past 1st run. If it is shown in order then it would be reasonable to show the episodes, but out of order or skipping any episodes that deal with JR and/or his death would simply be disrespectful to JR, the show and JR fans.
If it is about who to promote then promote it as a show that started with the late JR or give the promotion to Katey Sagal or just show it in syndication without the promotion of any actor but rather the last sitcom JR started, with started being the key word.

As for saying the only reason people watched was for JR and it was his show, well thats is fine for some of you, but dont take away from the other actors who did contribute to make it a show. This was not a 1 man show, it took other talents to even get it an audience and keep it going for 2 years past the death of JR.

As in life the show moved on past the death of Paul/JR, and in life when someone dies you move on and continue to live.
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I mostly agree with you, although imho Katey Segal is a big enough draw for the dateline crowd, she was just as big a star as John Ritter was.

As a matter of personal taste, I agree with you about Katey Sagal. I just meant that the show underperformed among the 18-49 age group and no one in the cast or no storyline could prevent that. You would expect that if anyone could, it would be either Katey Sagal or David Spade, since they are around the same age and people in this group grew up watching them and identifying with them (although I am sure many of the cast members have fans of all ages, I am talking about their core fan base).
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I keep reading where people think that it was John Ritters death is one of the main reasons that this show is cancelled. Ever think that maybe after 3 seasons with John Ritter it may have been cancelled also.
We will never know, but we do know that it lasted another 2 seasons without John Ritter, and I am a fan of his as well as Katey Sagal. David Spade is/was not funny and this may have a lot to do with the decline of the show, but also as stated before 8SR got a big fan base at the start of the second season out of curiosity. I tuned in to see how they would bid JR goodbye, and tuned out not long after that when they brought in David Spade. Many people tuned in for curiosity nothing more, bringing the ratings up and then when the whole capitalizing on JR death was over they quickly tuned out, thus bringing ratings back down.
If I recall correctly, didnt the cast help in making the decision to keep going on with the show, not just ABC/Disney whoever owns the show?





Syndication - As most of us know JR passed during the run of the show but not everyone tuned into the show while he was alive. The syndication out of order would be confusing to people who have not watched the show in the past 1st run. If it is shown in order then it would be reasonable to show the episodes, but out of order or skipping any episodes that deal with JR and/or his death would simply be disrespectful to JR, the show and JR fans.
If it is about who to promote then promote it as a show that started with the late JR or give the promotion to Katey Sagal or just show it in syndication without the promotion of any actor but rather the last sitcom JR started, with started being the key word.

As for saying the only reason people watched was for JR and it was his show, well thats is fine for some of you, but dont take away from the other actors who did contribute to make it a show. This was not a 1 man show, it took other talents to even get it an audience and keep it going for 2 years past the death of JR.

As in life the show moved on past the death of Paul/JR, and in life when someone dies you move on and continue to live.

I agree with you about giving credit to all cast members, whoever our personal favorites were and that there is no reason I can see not to show the episodes in order. As far as promoting it, if they showed the episodes in order, that problem is solved, promote it with different people as different seasons are shown. The fact that it will be on the WB in January shows that is not an insurmountable problem.
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I think that if they kept Kyle on the show,it would've stayed on the air
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That is one of the most interesting viewpoints I have heard yet. I have always thought he was a nice guy (although a bit of a wuss for putting up with Kerry's henpecking) and very funny and it was a mistake to drop him. More generally, this season they had less of those great minor characters (like Anthony, Andre, Mary Beth and Lacey) they used to have (but they did that some late in the season with "Dorky" Dwayne McDougal).
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I just found out the canceled 8 Simple Rules, and I am kinda shocked. It was a very funny show, and it got funnier after Ritter. I liked Ritter, but David Spade and James Garner have done a wonderful job.

Since they have 75 episodes filmed, it is stupid to cancel the show now. They should have done one more season, to get to that magical number of 100 so the show can be syndicated.

The show was starting to get very good.
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I just found out the canceled 8 Simple Rules, and I am kinda shocked. It was a very funny show, and it got funnier after Ritter. I liked Ritter, but David Spade and James Garner have done a wonderful job.

Since they have 75 episodes filmed, it is stupid to cancel the show now. They should have done one more season, to get to that magical number of 100 so the show can be syndicated.

The show was starting to get very good.


well the show just got sold into syndication, so maybe it was canceled because it has been sold? maybe they knew it was close to getting syndicated and decided to cancel it. and keep LTP and H&F on the air to collect more episodes to get into syndication.
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well the show just got sold into syndication, so maybe it was canceled because it has been sold? maybe they knew it was close to getting syndicated and decided to cancel it. and keep LTP and H&F on the air to collect more episodes to get into syndication.

It's just a test syndication to see how people react to the John to James and David switch. Hopefully people,if you want to see the John episodes,we have to watch all the episodes,John or no John.
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