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Old 04-08-2013, 10:14 AM   #1
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Margaret Thatcher,Britain’s only female Prime Minister to date has died peacefully today from a stroke at home in London’s Belgravia. She was 87.

She grew up in the harsh economic times of the 1930s,the second daughter of shopkeeper Alfred Roberts whose own political ambitions were limited to the role of local councillor. Whether her will to succeed came from the knowledge that her father would have preferred a son and her desire to please him and not disappoint one can only guess. She studied chemistry at Oxford,then law and became a barrister,during which time she unsuccessfully tried to become an MP,only finally entering parliament in 1959 at a time when the Conservatives were on the way out. She would endure 11 years in opposition before receiving her first Cabinet post as Education Secretary in 1972. She fought Edward Heath for the leader of the party in 1975 and won the General Election of 1979 to become Prime Minister at a time of perceived national identity crisis for Britain. It was a post she would hold for 11 years.

An often controversial figure she was a proponent of “housewife economics” determining that a government could not spend more than it could afford,closing many unprofitable industries such a mining and steel and thereby increasing the dole queues to which she was accused of being headstrong, uncaring and insensitive. It was these very qualities which at a time of national crisis during the Falklands War with Argentina came to be seen as strengths by some and won her the General Election of 1983. Thereafter with tax cuts for those in work and an opposition in disarray she kept 40% of the electorate on her side which was enough to give her another landslide victory in 1987.

However she always attracted controversy and some say she revelled in it. At a Scottish Church convention she stated “There is no such thing as society” and from that time on she made enemies who would ultimately oust her from office in 1990. The poll tax riots that year were as damaging to her as they had been to the ruling classes in Watt Tyler’s time 600 years before. In foreign policy she was unswervingly unbending with her relations with the European Union,a caricature circulating at the time was her banging her handbag at the conference table in Paris and stating “We want our money back”. She got some of it in the form of a rebate the French to this day label contemptuously as “le cheque britannique”.

Unmoved Margaret Thatcher once said “all our problems come from Europe”,a reference to the war years which had so formed her character as a Little Englander. On one summit she changed the flags around the European table so she didn’t have the German flag near. This cost Britain dearly in 1992 when the Bundesbank failed to rescue sterling and in another national humiliation the pound fell out of the Exchange Rate Mechanism,the precursor to the Euro. Her inexperience of foreign policy showed again during the reunification of Germany debate,overestimating her own influence on the subject. On the occasion of the first Iraq war she told George Bush “not to go wobbly on me now”,and her many enemies at home who feared another “ Falklands Factor” in the polls vowed to get rid of her. She resigned as Prime Minister rather than face and lose a leadership contest,though her preferred candidate as successor John Major did take up the mantle. She commented ominously that “I’m a good back seat driver”.

However time was not on her side,and Britain desired more social change in terms of the introduction of a minimum wage,the abolition of hereditary peers,the rebuilding of infrastructure and other legislation protecting the rights of minorities. It was Tony Blair who copied her presidential style and managed to cling onto office for 10 years. Margaret had during this time suffered a series of small strokes and was advised by doctors to end any public speaking. A tell-all book by daughter Carol in 2008 disclosed her mother’s fight with senile dementia,as depicted unwisely in the Meryl Streep film The Iron Lady. Whether twins Carol and Mark had resented their mother’s absence as children as she climbed the greasy pole there was surely no excuse for their widowed mother to spend her last Christmas alone in 2012.

What she saw benignly as giving people more of their own money to spend and not wasted by central government others saw as a lack of responsibility to society as a whole,in particular to the unemployed who never benefited one penny in tax cuts for those in work. With international forces at work with the likes of competition from Germany,China and the Far East Britain once again found it couldn’t compete in traditional industries and found itself over-reliant on the banking and service sector. It seemed as if the heavy labour jobs,primarily in the North were of secondary importance to Margaret Thatcher where she was never as popular as in her territory of the Home Counties,and economic mistakes were made. In the stand-alone jungle which now pertains in modern-day Britain with concerted attempts to curtail an ever-growing welfare state one might well recall the remark of Danton: “The Revolution devours its own children”. Nothing could be a more fitting epitaph for Margaret Thatcher.

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Old 04-08-2013, 10:37 AM   #3
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Please provide a link. Did this come from the Daily Mail, The Mirror, Guardian, The Sun, or what?
Hi Vahan. The article came from my head and there's a whole load more inside it where this subject is concerned. Please let members feel free to discuss the subject and their memories of her. One rare quality which she as a politician possessed was to engender loyalty from people of all social classes,possibly similar to the Reagan Democrats who kept him in power for eight years during the 1980s,but who turned back to Bill Clinton in 1992.
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Your head is not a link, it's common courtesy to provide one to a reliable source whenever an obituary thread is started.
It was a polite way of saying that this article has not been plagiarized and if you don't want to comment about the substance but how I wrote it then I suggest that you don't bother to read any further.
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Jesus, lay off the guy. If you want proof that Mrs. Thatcher is dead, all you have to do is go to Google or any news site on the Internet. It isn't hard, and takes you two seconds.
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Jesus, lay off the guy. If you want proof that Mrs. Thatcher is dead, all you have to do is go to Google or any news site on the Internet. It isn't hard, and takes you two seconds.

I see what your saying and I don't need to Google it since it is in fact true. I'm just saying that we always provide links when these types of threads are started. I'm not aware of any rules that require links to be provided but like I said it is common courtesy. The Cameron nut writes his own obits whenever he posts one and never provides a link and this is no different although it appears to be very well thought out and written.
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It's okay;I'm used to prejudice of all descriptions as I'm sure Margaret Thatcher was no stranger to either as they couldn't quite believe the workload of this woman who survived on four hours' sleep per night,which you have to respect even if her political views don't always tally with your own.
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Morrissey Calls Margaret Thatcher "A Terror" and "Barbaric"
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Often, people end up glossing over the flaws of the recently departed, coating eulogies in a thick gloss sheen.

Morrissey is not one of those people.





The iconic indie rocker on Monday released a scathing op-ed, written for The Daily Beast, about the passing of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, calling her "a terror without an atom of humanity."

"Every move she made was charged by negativity," the singer charges.

"She destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the ivory trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own cabinet booted her out."





Thatcher reigned in the UK from 1979 through 1991. That period encompassed the rise, stardom and fall of Morrissey's band The Smiths, a group that often sneered at aristocratic power.

Included on Morrissey's first solo album, Viva Hate, was a song called 'Margaret on the Guillotine', which asked of Thatcher, "When will you die?"



Perhaps ironically for someone who cut funding from the arts, Thatcher inspired an entire generation of punk and new wave artists, providing the perfect heel for the anger that began to bubble up in the late 1970's.

Though she took over from a Labour government that had been in power during the initial wave of punk, her conservative economic policies (and forays into the Falklands) embittered the industrial north and social liberals.

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Morrissey Calls Margaret Thatcher "A Terror" and "Barbaric"
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Often, people end up glossing over the flaws of the recently departed, coating eulogies in a thick gloss sheen.

Morrissey is not one of those people.





The iconic indie rocker on Monday released a scathing op-ed, written for The Daily Beast, about the passing of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, calling her "a terror without an atom of humanity."

"Every move she made was charged by negativity," the singer charges.

"She destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the ivory trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own cabinet booted her out."





Thatcher reigned in the UK from 1979 through 1991. That period encompassed the rise, stardom and fall of Morrissey's band The Smiths, a group that often sneered at aristocratic power.

Included on Morrissey's first solo album, Viva Hate, was a song called 'Margaret on the Guillotine', which asked of Thatcher, "When will you die?"



Perhaps ironically for someone who cut funding from the arts, Thatcher inspired an entire generation of punk and new wave artists, providing the perfect heel for the anger that began to bubble up in the late 1970's.

Though she took over from a Labour government that had been in power during the initial wave of punk, her conservative economic policies (and forays into the Falklands) embittered the industrial north and social liberals.

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Of course Morrissey is entitled to his views,just as your Sean Penn is entitled to express his opinion on the Falkland Islands. The singer has recently been ill and I'm sorry about that. The legacy of Margaret Thatcher is a divisive one. If you see the labour unions as defenders of the working classes then you're going to disagree with just about everything she did. Some would say that she gave the trades unions back to their members who did not want to strike at the drop of a hat. After her fall in 1990 her successor John Major gained 13 million popular votes which was 3 million more than the Conservatives polled in 1979. With Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair the opposite was true as support haemorrhaged away at every General Election.

Of course things weren't perfect:nothing in life is. But she restored a sense of respect in Britons which is difficult to explain. The Irish Freedom Fighters as you or Morrissey calls them were nothing more than cold,calculating murderers killing their Irish countrymen in the North,often fostered,sustained and financed by Noraid emanating from your country. Imagine an Al-Qaida office in London openly procuring funding for bomb attacks in America and you might understand why some of us Britons feel so aggrieved. I'm sorry if she opposed sanctions on the ivory trade,as she did in South Africa. The grasp of detail in foreign policy was not her strong point. But it was the jealousy engendered by her own mainly male colleagues which was her downfall:she was rejected by her own kind which gave much satisfaction to her political opponents and people who got left behind as the country with the help of billions of pounds of North Sea oil revenue did undoubtedly become richer.
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Dis someone remove the comment about socialists running out of other people's money? Capitalism will have its booms and busts and if you accept that then I guess you'll accept capitalism too.http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/cl...tain/3746.html
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She was a tough cookie and I respect her for that. May she rest in peace.
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