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Old 02-14-2018, 04:21 PM   #571
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Imagine having been treated at a hospital and noticing first hand their good rules and procedures that are geared towards safe health practices in all ways.

You feel confident that it is unlikely for you to catch an infection from a dirty needle.

Then even if someone were to tell you that they heard that a patient caught a disease from an infected needle at that hospital, you would be correct to say that it is an unlikely and farfetched story.

That doesn’t mean that it can’t be true. It doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be investigated. It just means that if they practice good safety procedures, then it is unlikely that someone would get pricked by an infected needle.

That is what other posters and I are saying.

The Mesivta of Long Beach is a school where it is farfetched and unlikely for any type of abuse including sexual abuse to take place. Even if one person says that he heard about something that did happen, it is still unlikely and farfetched. That doesn’t mean it can’t happen. It doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be investigated. It just means that it is unlikely.

It is farfetched and unlikely that any Rabbi at the Mesivta had any connection to the murder. There may be something fishy. There may be things that should be investigated. But it is still very unlikely and farfetched that Rabbi Cooper or Rabbi Pitter had anything to do with the murder. I know them both personally. I was with them for years on a daily basis. Everyone who knew them, felt that they were good people. They care about others and would never harm another person.

Every individual has the right to due process. If there is something that seems fishy or suspicious, surely there is no question that it should be investigated by the proper authorities.

News reporters are not in the position of doing law enforcement. They may do their own investigations, and search for newsworthy items, and they should give honest unbiased reports of their finds. But no one is obligated to talk to reporters. And if someone chooses not to comply with a reporter’s request for information, that can not be seen as grounds for suspicion.

What is wrong with not answering a news reporter that corners you in front of your home, without having received permission for an interview?! What is wrong with getting upset at a news reporter that corners you in front of your home, without having received permission for an interview?!

This is not due process! Due process would be handled by the authorities. Probably this issue was already investigated at the time of the murder. Most likely the authorities were given the information about the crying in camp and the meeting with Rabbi Cooper at that time. The family knew this information all along, it is not something that was newly uncovered by the family.

What is newsworthy about someone refusing to be interviewed by the media? This investigation is not the place for the media to do! They are not a government agency with authority that people must comply with legally! Why is a video of that put in the public eye? Could it be it was put there just to make a Rabbi look bad?

Speculation is ok to a degree. But not when it comes to blaming people and ruining their lives without good solid evidence.

Based on what is known to the public, there is nothing that shows a reasonable cause to place blame on any specific person.

I have been following this board since the case was reopened in 2013. I never felt a need to “join the conversation”, as most of the posts were based on pure speculation, and I felt that I had nothing significant to add.

Now that names are being singled out with little real evidence being presented, I feel it is time to speak up for my rebbeim. I was not planted here. No one asked me to speak up, but so long as no one has presented any real evidence I will stand up for the honor of my rebbeim. They are men of honor. Men who were always respected and loved by their students. Even today they are loved and respectged by those who know them. I know them and I know many people who know them. They are men who we can say about them that it is very farfetched that they were in any way involved in any of the horrible things being discussed in this post.

I absolutely appreciate your comments and thank you for giving us another perspective to consider. Although I disagree with you regarding your definition of due process, I admire your loyalty to your school and the people who you know.

If you feel comfortable, do you have an idea as to who would have had a motive to hurt Chaim? To me, it's always been one big question mark.
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I disagree with the assertion that the meeting with Rabbi Cooper was already investigated. If it were, Chaim's parents would have known all of the answers to the questions posed in Mary Murphy's segment!

Why was he crying and asking to leave summer camp in 1986?

What was the private meeting between Rabbi Cooper and Chaim regarding?

What was the source of this animosity that caused Rabbi Cooper to (disgustingly in my opinion) claim that divine retribution resulted in Chaim's murder?

No! Too many unanswered questions. Even the most staunch advocate of an insider being responsible is scratching his or her head and developing very mixed feelings about it possibly being a hate crime.

If the police did investigate this, Rabbi Cooper stonewalled them by denying anything had happened. If he had told them the truth, Anton Weiss would have known exactly what happened by now and the killer may have even been caught.
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The answers to this mystery are with the principal and 11th grade Rabbi (Chaim was in 11th grade when he was killed) who was in contact with Chaim on a daily basis: RABBI AVRAM COOPER.

The mere face that Rabbi Cooper frantically called Anton Weiss twice to arrange that meeting speaks volumes about how important and dire the situation was. Whatever happened that summer did in fact result in Chaim's murder.

I am convinced now more than ever that Rabbi Cooper has a good idea of what happened.
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