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Old 04-27-2017, 10:58 PM   #46
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Good grief, how much more can I spell this out? YES, I SAID IT.

You actually still haven't said that their purpose in being on the show was to compete about who has the most pathetic post-acting life. But I did say it, so we're past that. It just takes us deeper below the usual nonexistent line of credibility you'd attach to the Stern show.

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In her case, I believe her. I explained why I believe her. I explained (for the third time now) why I believe her, even though she was made this revelation on Howard Stern's show (who else was calling her to talk)? If you don't believe her, fine, you don't have to believe her. I believe her. And I believe Lauren Chapin, too. Do you doubt her as well?

I didn't pay any attention to the other two people. I have no doubt that Howard Stern wouldn't have her on the show unless she agreed to say something horrendous. I have no expectation that Stern would have any preference whether what she said was true or not.

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Old 04-27-2017, 11:15 PM   #47
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Oh gosh, I don't think I can briefly explain that, but I'll try. I'm going by memory here, so I'm sure I'm leaving a lot out. But she had all kinds of abuse as a child, emotional and sexual. And this was going on during the years of FKB. Some of the emotional trauma happened on the set with the show's director. Sexual abuse was going on at home. The day Father Knows Best ended, she found herself suddenly unwelcome at the studio, which is something a child can't quite understand: treated like a star one day, then a nobody the next. Then through the '60s and 70s she got heavily involved in drugs, and that led to prostitution, and I think even jail. She eventually turned to religion. I think she addresses most of this on the Stern show. You hear lots of horrible stories about what happens to child stars. Lauren Chapin's story is one of the absolute worst. It's amazing she didn't die.

Yes, it is. Such a cute kid on FKB. Heartbreaking. She and Elinor Donahue did features on the season 1 and 2 DVD sets, and she seems to have gotten past it all. Testament to her fortitude. Yes, it is amazing she is still with us. On the DVD I think she mentions she had a "crush" on director Peter Tewksbury. I know Billy Gray had lots of problems, post FKB. I think I saw him on TV, with a panel talking about kid actor problems...Patty Duke (RIP) was on, also.
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Old 04-28-2017, 01:45 PM   #48
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While I agree Scott Baio may have misspoke, he was attacked unmercifully for publicly stating what we all initially assumed.
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Actually, I didn't believe it when I read that EM died of a drug overdose.
The reason is that you don't hear too much about women 50 plus dying that way. I thought it must be something else.

As for Scott, even if he initially thought EM died from drugs, he should have kept his mouth shut. He is 56, not 12.

Even though I just learned about it, I also believe EM's rape story. It's because I remember a public breakdown EM had not long after a reunion show back in the 90's. I must be the only one on here who remembers this.
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Old 04-29-2017, 11:37 AM   #51
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While I agree Scott Baio may have misspoke, he was attacked unmercifully for publicly stating what we all initially assumed.

I didn't criticize him for assuming drugs; I criticized him because of his tone. Your immediate response to a death isn't usually (and shouldn't be) an occasion to point fingers and make an anti-drug speech; it should simply be about love and loss and compassion. He chose to get his little social commentary in there, and of course, forget that drug abuse (even though Erin didn't die from it) is a disease not a moral failing.

"For me, you do drugs or drink, youíre gonna die, and Iím sorry if thatís cold, but God gave you a brain, gave you the will to live and thrive and you gotta take care of yourself. I'm sorry. You just have to"

And then his clumsy attempts to clarify made it worse.

"Please stop assuming the worse (sic) in me," he continued. "I'm a compassionate person. I'm very heartbroken over her passing, especially since it was cancer."

So, what, if she had died of drugs he wouldn't have felt quite so bad? I"ve had a close family member die of dependency, and I can assure you that NOBODY at the funeral was thinking, "well, we would have been MORE heartbroken if it had been something else!"

THAT is why I criticized him; the implications nested inside his comments, his lack of compassion and understanding for the deceased, and his attempt to get on a soapbox at a terribly inappropriate time. Are drugs bad for you? OF COURSE they are. Personally, I've never done them; I have never even drank a can of beer. But does dying of them make you somehow less deserving of sympathy? No, it doesn't.
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Old 04-30-2017, 01:25 PM   #52
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You actually still haven't said that their purpose in being on the show was to compete about who has the most pathetic post-acting life. But I did say it, so we're past that. It just takes us deeper below the usual nonexistent line of credibility you'd attach to the Stern show.

Really? That's all you've got? Okay, their purpose in being on the show was to compete about who has the most pathetic post-acting life. Feel better? And for the FOURTH time now, my explanation of that:

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As for her choosing to do Stern's show, she may have been at a point where there was no one she could trust anyway, and also needing some kind of public exposure (no matter how negative) in hopes of jump-starting her career.

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Yes, she and others chose to go on his show. Erin even chose to make that horrible revelation about rape on his show. I can only assume mental illness played a role in her decision.

And real tears were coming out of her eyes when she brought up the rape issue. That's the part YOU keep leaving out. You also miss the point that she said she was 23 when this happened. Marion Ross said last week that her drug use began the last season of Happy Days. Guess how old she was then? 23.

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And I believe Lauren Chapin, too. Do you doubt her as well?

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I didn't pay any attention to the other two people. I have no doubt that Howard Stern wouldn't have her on the show unless she agreed to say something horrendous. I have no expectation that Stern would have any preference whether what she said was true or not.

Cop out. I'll give you a hint: Lauren Chapin has been on many shows bravely recounting the trauma she experienced. So going on Howard Stern and telling the same story in a Queen for the Day scenario makes Lauren Chapin's story suddenly untrue?
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I'm not sure what Scott Baio's response really was, even though he apparently misspoke. I'm sure that she said things before the facts were all in, everyone seems to have made all the same assessments as to her passing. It's just that when you have a person of such noteriety saying such things, it's "there for posterity" and you can do little to change it. The "controversy" remains in spite of one's attempts to clarify it.

Okay, looking back, I'm noticing some things here that he most likely shouldn't have said....
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Old 05-06-2017, 09:13 AM   #54
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Sorry, I was traveling last weekend and missed this:

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Really? That's all you've got? Okay, their purpose in being on the show was to compete about who has the most pathetic post-acting life. Feel better?

Yes, that's all I've got: she said what she said in the least credible interview forum on television, in a skit where they were lowering their usual non-existent standards. That's all.

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And real tears were coming out of her eyes when she brought up the rape issue. That's the part YOU keep leaving out. You also miss the point that she said she was 23 when this happened. Marion Ross said last week that her drug use began the last season of Happy Days. Guess how old she was then? 23.

It's also possible that she started crying because she realized that at that moment she had crossed the line from an actress into a sideshow freak. It would be a credit to her at that point to feel ashamed, and natural to cry.

She was also about 23 when she got a show, lost a show, and probably had a pretty good bump in income. There might also be legal reasons to say something like that happened as an adult rather than as a minor.

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Cop out. I'll give you a hint: Lauren Chapin has been on many shows bravely recounting the trauma she experienced. So going on Howard Stern and telling the same story in a Queen for the Day scenario makes Lauren Chapin's story suddenly untrue?

I have absolutely no interest in these other people. What they said in that skit carries no weight of evidence unless it's corroborated by other sources.

Bottom line: as I said in my first post, people have to be given the opportunity to grieve in their own ways, and they especially have to be given that opportunity by people who don't know either of the people involved.
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Radio Interviewer SID ROSENBERG defended his interview with SCOTT BAIO :

"IN DEFENSE OF SCOTT, I DID ASK HIM WHY HE THOUGHT CHILDHOOD ACTORS OF THE 1970S STRUGGLED SO MUCH WITH DRUGS AND ALCOHOL.
AND HE INCLUDED ERIN MORAN IN THE CONVERSATION.

TRUTH IS THE WHOLE MEDIA HAD HER DYING FROM AN O.D. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ALL THOUGHT WAS THE CAUSE WHEN SCOTT CAME ON.

TOO EASY TO JUMP ON HIM AFTER WE FOUND OUT WHY SHE HAD PASSED. I KNOW HE CARED FOR HER AND WAS BOTH FRUSTRATED AND UPSET."

The most important quoted statement from SCOTT BAIO's radio interview concerning the tragic death of ERIN MORAN is the following :

"I AM SADDENED BY WHAT HAPPENED AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DRUGS THAT KILLED HER."

SCOTT BAIO NEVER SAID THAT ERIN MORAN DIED FROM DRUGS.

SID ROSENBERG DID NOT ASK SCOTT WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF ERIN MORAN'S DEATH.
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He sounds like he's been hanging around Trump too much.

Well, any at all is too much, but you catch my drift.

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