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Old 05-15-2014, 01:11 PM   #136
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I don't think the sentence handed down was fair at all...I believe Chris Ross has since been released for his role in the crime.

Yeah, I agree, even if Frederick actually did commit the robbery, I think he's done enough time and should be released since nobody actually got hurt.

I've always wondered if Cedric might have been more inclined to take the rap and confess to the crime if Frederick's sentence had been more reasonable. I mean, it's still despicable that he's letting his brother rot in prison, but a 68-year sentence is still a pretty tough trade-off for doing the right thing.
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I've always wondered if Cedric might have been more inclined to take the rap and confess to the crime if Frederick's sentence had been more reasonable. I mean, it's still despicable that he's letting his brother rot in prison, but a 68-year sentence is still a pretty tough trade-off for doing the right thing.

This is exactly why I don't think Cedric ever confessed to his role in the crime. I'm kind of amazed that none of his appeals have warranted a further look. Especially the way his original attorney was disbarred for neglecting his clients shortly after Fred's conviction. There could have been enough reasonable doubt brought up at his trial, IMO. All you would have to do is question the witnesses to the crime by holding up a picture of Cedric and say, "is this the man you saw holding the gun on you", etc. Then you could ask the witnesses if they were aware that Fred has an identical twin brother, etc. You could even bring Fred's mom on the stand to say how everyone was constantly confusing one for the other.
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:34 AM   #138
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Cedric is in jail until 2022... He's considered a habitual felon... http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/...s&numtimesin=2
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:41 PM   #139
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Cedric is in jail until 2022... He's considered a habitual felon... http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/...s&numtimesin=2

Sheesh, if Cedric has such a huge rap sheet and is going to be incarcerated for the next several years anyway, I wish he'd finally just confess to the original robberies and help get his brother out of prison. The problem is that since Cedric is such a habitual offender, I'm not even sure the courts would believe him even if he did confess.
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I still cannot come up with one single reason as to why Chris Ross would lie to implicate Cedric just to free Fred, if in fact Fred was the guilty sibling.
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:59 AM   #141
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I still cannot come up with one single reason as to why Chris Ross would lie to implicate Cedric just to free Fred, if in fact Fred was the guilty sibling.

Yes, IIRC, Ross received a relatively light sentence for pleading guilty to the robberies. If he suddenly decides to lie about who was involved, he's committing perjury, which means extra prison time. Ross isn't exactly a saint, but I don't think he's lying here.
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It's been a long time since I've seen the segment, but over on the forbidden site they have the French dubbed version. Obviously, I could only hear/interpret the interview parts of the segment. And after thinking about this case a lot today, I could see why Frederick was convicted the first time. Considering:

-There were at least 4 eyewitnesses to the robberies (I think UM either mentions or shows an article referencing 6 victims). Assuming that the prosecution called all of them to the witness stand, this would look damning to Fred's defense.
-Fred was driving a car that contained the weapons used in the robbery. This is very damning for Fred. For one, it's never explained how or why Fred was driving that particular car in the first place. I know Ross stated that he put the guns in this car, but why? What was his reasoning for this? To frame Fred? Why would he do this, then do a 180 and try to get him out of prison?
-Nothing is mentioned in the UM segment about an alibi. Remember the Michael Scott Martin case? If Fred had an alibi, considering the whitewashing UM does of final appellant's cases, you would think this would have been brought up. Even though UM left out details countless times, their silence in this instance is damning.
-I've searched the internet trying to find ANYTHING relative to this case. I've only found an old article detailing several cases from around the area (North Carolina) where the robberies were committed. Nothing new was revealed with the exception that at Fred's hearing (or was it a 2nd trial??) after he was convicted, the judge did not believe Ross's testimony (he wasn't called at his trial as a witness), saying that he thought it was possible that Ross was lying to help get off a childhood friend.
-We have no idea as to whether or not there was any sort of animosity between Ross and Cedric. This could also be a reason for him to lie.
-Even though the lawyer representing Fred at his trial was eventually disbarred, the courts could find no wrongdoing in his handling of Fred's case. I know on the surface the fact that he didn't subpoena Ross to testify looks bad, because it obviously would have been good testimony for Fred if Ross was on the stand saying that Cedric was the guilty accomplice, but consider the fact that Ross was already in jail for the crimes committed: he would have been picked apart by the prosecution for credibility issues. I think it would have backfired.
-Fred was driving without a license, lied to the police about being his brother, and then when he came clean at the station, it was too late. Granted, Fred's answer does make sense. He didn't have a license but his twin brother did, so he used his name. This is not totally uncommon for people to do this. A coworker of mine had something similar happen to him with his brother. But to the cops/prosecution/courts, this just looks highly suspicious and shady. There is no reason given as to why Fred was driving that car, and why Ross would have dumped the guns inside that car in the segment. And going back to the "whitewashing" aspect of the segments, if there was some sort of collusion between Cedric and Ross to frame Fred (at the time) for the crimes, this would have been alluded to in the segment.
-Which makes me think of another point: why was Fred pulled over in the first place? I know this is a moot point, but it's not like Fred was set up in some sort of frame job by Cedric and Ross...how would they know he would've ever gotten pulled over by the police? And to expand on that, why didn't Fred come clean immediately after the guns were found in the car?

So here's what it boils down to, IMO. There is evidence (circumstantial) to support Fred's innocence. The fact that he was never involved in any sort of violent crime (or felony for that matter) prior to this, while Cedric was, is pretty telling. Plus, if you were to believe Ross, that also supports the fact that Fred is innocent. But, I can now see why he was convicted, and why he still hasn't gotten out of prison.

All in all, I'm starting to lean towards guilty, but am ultimately undecided. It's not like there is some massive conspiracy at play designed to keep Fred in prison for a crime he didn't commit. I don't see any sort of evidence of that. However, this is a unique case, considering that Fred has an identical twin brother, one that whom his own family members would have a hard time identifying between the two. Final thoughts: my gut tells me his guilty (what guy has THAT much bad luck, with THAT much evidence implicating him), but I do think that with better representation, there may have been enough reasonable doubt to get him acquitted. And I do think he should've been paroled roughly the same time that Ross did.
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Old 09-16-2015, 12:48 PM   #143
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This is an unique Final Appeal case in that there's certainly a plausible case for Fred's innocence but not a great deal of hard EVIDENCE actually supporting his innocence. I think the three biggest points in his favour are:

-Chris Ross claiming Cedric was his real accomplice
-Cedric's "crocodile tears" performance on Geraldo. I'd think that if Cedric was really innocent, he'd be more angry about being falsely accused by his incarcerated brother rather than breaking down into emotional hysterics. I thought Fred's emotions came off a lot more sincerely and he did seem genuinely hurt that his brother was letting him take the rap
-the twins' mother believing Fred instead of Cedric. I know it's common for parents to believe in their children's innocence even when the evidence against them is overwhelming. But in this case, her other son is accused of being the real perpetrator and by siding with Fred, she's pretty much severing her relationship with the one child who's still free and not locked up for the next 60+ years. The fact that the twins' mother has no trouble believing that Cedric is the real perpetrator speaks volumes, IMO

But again, none of these points are definitive proof that Fred didn't commit the crime, so I can why it would be hard to get his sentence overturned. I still learn towards innocence, but I too am bothered by Ross' gun being in the trunk of Fred's car. I'm sure there was no frame-up and it was nothing more than a bad coincidence that Fred was pulled over by the police, but it's still pretty weird that Ross would leave a weapon that he used during a crime there.

Either way, I've always maintained that even Fred committed the crimes, no one was actually hurt, so he should have been released by now anyway.
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:58 PM   #144
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agreed. Even if Fred committed the crimes I think his sentence was too harsh. Not defending him, just simply because nobody ended up being hurt
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It's been a long time since I've seen the segment, but over on the forbidden site they have the French dubbed version. Obviously, I could only hear/interpret the interview parts of the segment. And after thinking about this case a lot today, I could see why Frederick was convicted the first time. Considering:

-There were at least 4 eyewitnesses to the robberies (I think UM either mentions or shows an article referencing 6 victims). Assuming that the prosecution called all of them to the witness stand, this would look damning to Fred's defense.
-Fred was driving a car that contained the weapons used in the robbery. This is very damning for Fred. For one, it's never explained how or why Fred was driving that particular car in the first place. I know Ross stated that he put the guns in this car, but why? What was his reasoning for this? To frame Fred? Why would he do this, then do a 180 and try to get him out of prison?
-Nothing is mentioned in the UM segment about an alibi. Remember the Michael Scott Martin case? If Fred had an alibi, considering the whitewashing UM does of final appellant's cases, you would think this would have been brought up. Even though UM left out details countless times, their silence in this instance is damning.
-I've searched the internet trying to find ANYTHING relative to this case. I've only found an old article detailing several cases from around the area (North Carolina) where the robberies were committed. Nothing new was revealed with the exception that at Fred's hearing (or was it a 2nd trial??) after he was convicted, the judge did not believe Ross's testimony (he wasn't called at his trial as a witness), saying that he thought it was possible that Ross was lying to help get off a childhood friend.
-We have no idea as to whether or not there was any sort of animosity between Ross and Cedric. This could also be a reason for him to lie.
-Even though the lawyer representing Fred at his trial was eventually disbarred, the courts could find no wrongdoing in his handling of Fred's case. I know on the surface the fact that he didn't subpoena Ross to testify looks bad, because it obviously would have been good testimony for Fred if Ross was on the stand saying that Cedric was the guilty accomplice, but consider the fact that Ross was already in jail for the crimes committed: he would have been picked apart by the prosecution for credibility issues. I think it would have backfired.
-Fred was driving without a license, lied to the police about being his brother, and then when he came clean at the station, it was too late. Granted, Fred's answer does make sense. He didn't have a license but his twin brother did, so he used his name. This is not totally uncommon for people to do this. A coworker of mine had something similar happen to him with his brother. But to the cops/prosecution/courts, this just looks highly suspicious and shady. There is no reason given as to why Fred was driving that car, and why Ross would have dumped the guns inside that car in the segment. And going back to the "whitewashing" aspect of the segments, if there was some sort of collusion between Cedric and Ross to frame Fred (at the time) for the crimes, this would have been alluded to in the segment.
-Which makes me think of another point: why was Fred pulled over in the first place? I know this is a moot point, but it's not like Fred was set up in some sort of frame job by Cedric and Ross...how would they know he would've ever gotten pulled over by the police? And to expand on that, why didn't Fred come clean immediately after the guns were found in the car?

So here's what it boils down to, IMO. There is evidence (circumstantial) to support Fred's innocence. The fact that he was never involved in any sort of violent crime (or felony for that matter) prior to this, while Cedric was, is pretty telling. Plus, if you were to believe Ross, that also supports the fact that Fred is innocent. But, I can now see why he was convicted, and why he still hasn't gotten out of prison.

All in all, I'm starting to lean towards guilty, but am ultimately undecided. It's not like there is some massive conspiracy at play designed to keep Fred in prison for a crime he didn't commit. I don't see any sort of evidence of that. However, this is a unique case, considering that Fred has an identical twin brother, one that whom his own family members would have a hard time identifying between the two. Final thoughts: my gut tells me his guilty (what guy has THAT much bad luck, with THAT much evidence implicating him), but I do think that with better representation, there may have been enough reasonable doubt to get him acquitted. And I do think he should've been paroled roughly the same time that Ross did.


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If you are innocent and there is prove by someone else who committed the crime than its time to look into not only did the judge not want to do it with it police never want to admit fault cause it was bad investigation

how many people whom are guilty by the vitcum when it wasn't them? he said she said isn't enough for covinciton by any means FACTS

There been plenty of cases the police were wrong and did a terrible job at. At least those officer would go for the truth. We live in what suppose to be fiar, equal treatment to people rights

i do not like cops and nor do i trust cops.... i will never trust cops in else they start having some accountability to there names
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This is Fredericks mother he will be getting out on March 19 2016.
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Hello this is Fredericks mother he will be getting out march 19 2016.
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After all these years (10) I'm finally Convinced it was Frederick... How can a person (Ross) honestly with a heart not come out during the trial and say it wasn't Fred?? He was probably waiting to see what Fred would do, then when Fred finally decided to blame his brother, it sounded like a good idea to Ross because he didn't want to see his best friend go to Jail. He Left the Guns in his car, cause they were together that night. Frederick got pullover panicked, gave his brothers name cause he had something to hide and prolly forgot Ross didnt remove the guns from the car. I dont believe in the whole crying because if my brother was accusing me of something I didnt do, I would be mad as hell... After all these years of thinking Frederick was innocent, I think God opened my eyes and let me see the light. God Bless
Hello, you need to watch your mouth you dont know, I am the mother and it was ced and chris that did the crime.
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Hello, Miss Young, I am very happy to hear that Frederick is getting released. I was always of the mindset that even on the off-chance Frederick was guilty, he never should have been given such a lengthy sentence since no one was actually harmed during the robbery. Is Fred being paroled or is his conviction being overturned?
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