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Old 01-27-2008, 02:57 PM   #61
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that's true, but the same thing could happen if you're watching Nip/Tuck or something off HBO/Showtime as well though.

That is very true, but the main difference is you are paying for those channels, where as ABC is there regardless
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that's true, but the same thing could happen if you're watching Nip/Tuck or something off HBO/Showtime as well though.
We know what channels to not have on when the kids are over. I trust ABC, CBS, and NBC to not have boobs and asses splashed all over my tv set. Like I've said to you a few times, paying for something as opposed to network tv is a completely different story. You keep bringing that up though. I don't understand why you're not grasping that basic concept.
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I personally believe people worry too much about sex and not enough about violence. The FCC is ready to pitch a fit if something is too sexual, but there's never a fuss made about shows like CSI, Supernatural (which I love and the intensity adds to the plot, but still...) and the sort that can be really graphic.

South Park completely hit the nail on the head in the episode where they spoofed the Janet Super Bowl "Wardrobe Malfunction". That episode had the boys buy ninja weapons and become ninja characters (with anime), and then Kenny throws a star that ends up accidentally hitting Butters in the eye, and they do humilating things to Butters like dressing him up as a dog so they won't get in trouble. But then, in character mode, Cartman goes "invisible" but ends up being naked in public where a show was being filmed. The entire town was morally outraged at Cartman's nudity, but nobody gave what happened to Butters a second thought.
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Where was the FCC all those years ago when Charlotte Ross and other NYPD Blue cast members were dropping thier drawers during prime time?
Just a guess, but perhaps this scene was worse.
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FCC indecency investigations begin when the agency receives a viewer or listener complaint about a program and can drag on for months or years. The lightly staffed FCC enforcement bureau must go up against broadcasters, which have more legal and financial resources to battle the proposed fine and have a vested interest in dragging out the proceeding. After the enforcement bureau makes a finding, it must be voted on by the FCC's five commissioners, who were occupied with cable television and wireless spectrum issues through much of 2007.
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FCC indecency investigations begin when the agency receives a viewer or listener complaint about a program and can drag on for months or years. The lightly staffed FCC enforcement bureau must go up against broadcasters, which have more legal and financial resources to battle the proposed fine and have a vested interest in dragging out the proceeding. After the enforcement bureau makes a finding, it must be voted on by the FCC's five commissioners, who were occupied with cable television and wireless spectrum issues through much of 2007.
I think that's stupid. I mean what if (or maybe they have) ABC has changed staff members and no one who was around in 2003 is there now? The new people who come to the network have to pay for their predecessor's actions against a show that's not even on the air anymore.

Now if it was immediate action, I'd be okay with it. But taking years to give a fine, seems stupid to me.
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Just a guess, but perhaps this scene was worse.

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FCC indecency investigations begin when the agency receives a viewer or listener complaint about a program and can drag on for months or years. The lightly staffed FCC enforcement bureau must go up against broadcasters, which have more legal and financial resources to battle the proposed fine and have a vested interest in dragging out the proceeding. After the enforcement bureau makes a finding, it must be voted on by the FCC's five commissioners, who were occupied with cable television and wireless spectrum issues through much of 2007.
So, if let's say a channel that airs the movie THE GODFATHER uncut, as I have seen several times air on local channels (not premium channels mind you) does that mean someone can complain abt the nudity and cussing that is aired and the FCC will do something abt it?

Also, I believe there should be a "cap" on how long it has been since the "offense" took place. Just like in criminal matters there is a statute of limitations.
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^ Thanks for posting that link Janice. It's amazing how these things can get bogged down in procedures and red tape.
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I think that's stupid. I mean what if (or maybe they have) ABC has changed staff members and no one who was around in 2003 is there now? The new people who come to the network have to pay for their predecessor's actions against a show that's not even on the air anymore.

Now if it was immediate action, I'd be okay with it. But taking years to give a fine, seems stupid to me.

It's just a case of tough luck I guess. Networks have to be responsible.
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I think that's stupid. I mean what if (or maybe they have) ABC has changed staff members and no one who was around in 2003 is there now? The new people who come to the network have to pay for their predecessor's actions against a show that's not even on the air anymore.

Now if it was immediate action, I'd be okay with it. But taking years to give a fine, seems stupid to me.
I see your point, but it's the network, not the actual people. The network pays the fine. The people themselves don't get in trouble.
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It's just a case of tough luck I guess. Networks have to be responsible.
I think sometimes that the networks take a calculated risk. They know they'll get in trouble by airing something offensive, but the ratings and revenue are worth it, so they go for it anyway.
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So, if let's say a channel that airs the movie THE GODFATHER uncut, as I have seen several times air on local channels (not premium channels mind you) does that mean someone can complain abt the nudity and cussing that is aired and the FCC will do something abt it?
From what I've been reading, the FCC takes action when people call or write letters to complain. Even one letter can spark an investigation and a fine. I've read that about 10 times in the last day.
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From what I've been reading, the FCC takes action when people call or write letters to complain. Even one letter can spark an investigation and a fine. I've read that about 10 times in the last day.
I am just shocked that something that aired YEARS ago can be fined if someone should write a letter complaining abt it now.
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I am just shocked that something that aired YEARS ago can be fined if someone should write a letter complaining abt it now.
It wasn't that. It's in the link I gave TJL. The FCC is understaffed and outgunned by the networks, so some things take a long time.
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am I the only person who thinks the FCC and people of the sort worry too much about sex while violence gets a free pass? I noticed nobody responded earlier. Personally, I think people are so worried about what nudity will do to a kid when I think graphic violence is probably even worse for a child to see since it numbs them.
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^ an example of what I mean was right after the 9-11 attack. I seriously heard with my own ears a person say that the footage of the attack that constantly aired was "bad ass" and reminded him of something you'd see in a big budget action movie.

Can you believe that ****? This is what you get for conditioning children that violence is just fine but sex is a no-no.
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