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Old 11-12-2017, 12:17 PM   #1306
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Hello there, you raise some interesting points. However, has it been conformed that she was shot in the passenger seat with the pillow unde her head? Or was that onky part of the reenactment? If this was how she was found, this would put even mkre suspicion on Tim. Someone she knew would have driven the car and he was the last person to see her, with no clear alibi. If she met with foul play from a boyfriend or debt collector, why would she be in that parking lot in Carson city? Why not pay her a visit in Reno? Her being there is the biggest red flag for me. Also, a dead person can't pay off any debt and I really doubt her bf would kill her in the middle of the night in a strange city on her son's wedding day. It just doesn't add up. I don't think she would have gone to Carson herself, so either she picked someone up on the way, which is very unlikely, or Tim got in the car with her. Driving all the way back to Reno would have taken too long, ao he dropped her halfway. This would require help from someone, probably his wife or sister. But then why call UM and why mKe yourself look guilty on national tv? There was no need to clear his name, bc it wasn't a big national case. At all. I keep racking my brains over this one.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:38 PM   #1307
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I used to think Tim was 100% guilty of everything. The more I go over it, the more I don't think Tim had the guts to actually kill his mom. He strikes me as naive, nervous, skittish, lacking self-confidence, etc. I can't believe a guy like that could plot and pull the trigger on his mom. (Whether they were really that close is another question.) I still believe he has knowledge of the crime, either setting it up or just knowing, and that perhaps the whole time that's what this is about to him. He does seem more concerned with clearing his name that finding his mother's killer, but he knows more than he ever said.

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before, but we really don't know much about Terry. She had a lot of kids and it doesn't seem like the family was that tight. She was still young enough to have a boyfriend(s) and she lived in Reno. What if she spurned the wrong guy? What if she had gambling debts? Tim presents her as this sweet, innocent old lady and she may have been. But what if this was all about her and never about Tim? Maybe Tim knows or suspects who killed his mom but he doesn't have the guts to name that person. He may have even discussed this with his wife ("Do you know who killed Terri McClure?" Maybe she planned to meet with someone (date, debt, or otherwise) and it went bad. She was found on the passengers's side which to me means she was most likely riding in the car and not driving it.

So again, we really need to hear from Tim's ex-wife. I think she is the one and only who (besides Tim) could give the answers to the questions we all want to know.
Tim could be a complete 180. All we know about Tim is how he presented himself on an UM segment, which could be false. Tim could've been smart enough to play a "complete dope" to throw viewers into believing he was "naive" so they'd think he was innocent. I'm not saying it's true, but it's a possibility.

No one else was interviewed about Tim so honestly we know nothing of his actual character. Him saying he went to go look for his mothers purse could've been a ruse to seem "dumb".

Sure he did dumb stuff like cancelling her card before she was found, but I'm not so sure that Tim is as dumb as he tried to make himself to be.

On the flipside, if you're correct, and he's all the things you think he is, then he could've been easily talked into killing his mother. Like you said, the ex-wife holds the truth.
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Pink sweater has to be the most awesome user name I've seen in awhile.

It's interesting to watch the horse race between this, the Wackers and the Maples thread for most posted in the history of this forum.

If there is one thing that speaks to Tim's innocence, it's his statement that she planned to drive straight home to Reno. If his plan all along was to make it seem she ran afoul of some random robber in Carson City, I can't immediately think of a good reason why he would throw that statement in there.

God help me, I actually questioned Tim's guilt. I hope I'm not defecting either....
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Old 11-12-2017, 01:14 PM   #1309
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Hahaha! As someone who was firmly in the "Tim did it" corner too, I also find that funny.

With that said, there is something that has probably been discussed but still bugs me. Per Tim's own words, he slowly drove through every casino lot along her route except for one. So Tim did not drive through the lot where his mom was found because something was guiding him "almost like the Holy Spirit," even though he spent probably hours driving through other lots. This means:

- Tim was very religious (which I doubt and we have no other info that he was) and that a higher power intervened on his behalf; OR
- Tim had a premonition (which implies Tim has psychic abilities); OR
- Tim chose to not drive through that lot on purpose [MOST LIKELY]

So... why? If, as he says, he really just didn't want to find her body because "it would destroy me", that implies that he knew she might likely be in a casino lot and she would be found dead. He was so worried about finding her in a horrible condition, yet he went looking for her knowing this. So conveniently, he didn't find her. Again, why? Because of this mystical spirit, or because he KNEW she either was there or might be there and he was worried about how it would look. A normal, innocent person doesn't act that way. Does he really want to find his mom or not? If your going to take all that time to look, are you simply going to let a "bad feeling" prevent you from going there?

Tim may not have pulled the trigger. But he still has one of the worst stories in the history of UM. Seriously, how can anyone believe that? This does NOT make Tim guilty. But it sure implies he knew, or had a very strong suspicion, that Terry was dead in that lot. So if he didn't do it, what is he hiding?
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Hahaha! As someone who was firmly in the "Tim did it" corner too, I also find that funny.

With that said, there is something that has probably been discussed but still bugs me. Per Tim's own words, he slowly drove through every casino lot along her route except for one. So Tim did not drive through the lot where his mom was found because something was guiding him "almost like the Holy Spirit," even though he spent probably hours driving through other lots. This means:

- Tim was very religious (which I doubt and we have no other info that he was) and that a higher power intervened on his behalf; OR
- Tim had a premonition (which implies Tim has psychic abilities); OR
- Tim chose to not drive through that lot on purpose [MOST LIKELY]

So... why? If, as he says, he really just didn't want to find her body because "it would destroy me", that implies that he knew she might likely be in a casino lot and she would be found dead. He was so worried about finding her in a horrible condition, yet he went looking for her knowing this. So conveniently, he didn't find her. Again, why? Because of this mystical spirit, or because he KNEW she either was there or might be there and he was worried about how it would look. A normal, innocent person doesn't act that way. Does he really want to find his mom or not? If your going to take all that time to look, are you simply going to let a "bad feeling" prevent you from going there?

Tim may not have pulled the trigger. But he still has one of the worst stories in the history of UM. Seriously, how can anyone believe that? This does NOT make Tim guilty. But it sure implies he knew, or had a very strong suspicion, that Terry was dead in that lot. So if he didn't do it, what is he hiding?
I agree with all of that.

The thing is, if Tim really did have a bad feeling about that particular casino (I think it was the Nugget?), why didn't he just have someone else check it out? It's like he goes "Welp, I think I'll skip this one." and bebops off on his merry way. It's the strangest thing ever.
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That would be perfectly reasonable.

The reason I didn't believe him is because he was using the "I don't know why, but" defense throughout the entire UM interview.

I don't know why, but I checked every casino expect the one where she was found...I don't know why, but I flunked the test...I don't know why, but the credit card co. wrote down Friday instead of Monday...

The whole act was wearing a little thin to me
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I personally don't put a lot of stock in him looking for the pursevand in the casino lots, other than it adding to the mystery of Tim. If he were guilty, why would he say he looked only in casino lots and went looking for her purse? It makes him look guilty, with no benefit. What I think is he caved under pressure from the police. Regardless of his guilt or innocence, this must have been a very stressful time for him. The police may have told him where she was found and asked him if he didn't go look for her. He figured he'd say he looked everywhere, because that is the desired answer. Then they say: oh yeah, what about that one lot? Now he is cornered and comes up with a terrible excuse. Then later in the UM segment, instead of admitting he caved, he doubled down on it, which makes him look either dense or guilty or both.
Same thing could have happened with the purse: didn't you go look for her car and possesions? Eh...yeah of course I did. Like what? Her purse? Eh...yeah. Again, people a lot smarter than Tim have been had during interrogations.
This being said, I am in the guilty camp (now), because I just can't see a logical explanation for his mom going to a Casino, if she just came from one and she is less than half an hour from home, where there are casino's too. I don't buy that she took a nap there, as it isn't right off the highway. And if she didn't go there herself, someone must have put her there and Tim had to have been involved.
Also, a random robbery/murder for just a bag, in a public is extremely unlikely. It has happened, but it is much more likely that someone she knew killed her, especially if the UM section with her in the passenger side with a pillow is accurate. Maybe I am missing something. How could she have ended up there?
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I guess I should clarify that Stack didn't say that Tim was unable to locate his wife and her parents after walking Terri to her car, what he actually says is "Tim's wife was still gambling with her parents, so he gambled alone for 2 hours, then rejoined his wife."

I guess that could mean different things. It could mean that his wife wanted some time alone with her parents, so he left them alone for 2 hours, the parents left at midnight, then he rejoined his wife. Or it could mean there wasn't a machine or seat available next to them, so he went off on his own and rejoined later.
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Wait a minute, Cars, are you tellin' me this sucker is nuclear?!
"No, no, no, no. This sucker's electrical, but I need a nuclear reaction to- to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity I need."

Seriously. Don't quote BTTF unless you're expecting to get a line thrown back at you. One of my favorite movie trilogies EVAH.
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"No, no, no, no. This sucker's electrical, but I need a nuclear reaction to- to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity I need."

Seriously. Don't quote BTTF unless you're expecting to get a line thrown back at you. One of my favorite movie trilogies EVAH.
Are you seriously "threatening" me with getting into a quotefest? Because I own a t-shirt that says "Fluent In Movie Quotes."
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I hate to bump this thread, but there was a comment on UM's write up on the case that caught my eye.

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I did Terri’s hair the day of the wedding, I owned an operated the beauty salon, downstairs in the Nugget Casino..She told me she was going to her son’s wedding at Lake Tahoe, mainly to keep peace in the Family…..she wasn’t happy with her sons choice in women, especially his wife to be…..She said she better go he’s probably going to need money, an laughed, but, she said he just might be surprised…some changes were coming……I wished her well and told her to be careful on the road to Tahoe………..Later, I did the woman’s hair who did the re-enactment of the case……..I thought about the son right away and perhaps I should have come forward….I think she was killed at Lake Tahoe and then brought to the Carson Casino, because someone would have heard the shots…motels are located all across the back of the Parking lot……..Rest in peace Terri….I only knew you briefly…but a lot can be told while getting your hair done………
This post, if true, means that Terri had an established reason/relationship (or prior history) with this specific casino (where her body was found) meaning it wouldn't be too uncommon for her to have stopped there on her route back home. Take from that what you will and let the speculation begin.

I'm just spitballing here, but what if the wife was the one who had arranged Terri to be murdered, without McClure's involvement, which would mean:

-her failing the question of "do you know who murdered Terri McClure" on the polygraph would make sense
-her backing off from testifying against McClure because maybe she was fearful that the defense would bring something out that exposed her involvement

Everything McClure did that was deemed suspicious by LE could have been at the orders/suggestions of his wife, "you really should call the credit card company", "check the casino lots", etc.

Just a theory.

ETA: The 2 hour window of no alibi for McClure where he said he was gambling alone is the biggest knock against him, IMO. But if this was presumably when he was off killing his mother, how did he make it back to the Lake Tahoe area? I could see him coaxing his mother into letting him take her home (so she could nap) and then shooting her along the way before ditching the car in Carson City. The only problems with this is that McClure would have no way of making it back to Carson City, and I don't see him being able to drive with his mother's dead body for close to an hour.

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I think that's fair. The wife is absolutely a reasonable suspect in all of this, ESPECIALLY if she had knowledge that Terri was not happy with Tim marrying her and that she may be hesitant to help them financially in the future.
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