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Old 10-08-2018, 11:46 AM   #121
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Certainly a possibility there or maybe the everclear was already at the party and "Detroit Crazy" knew that Kurt had consumed quite a bit. Nonetheless did the police ever investigate him? Or if they did, not nearly enough?
This thread's got a lot of good info

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...t+sova&page=29

In particular, post #435 about halfway down the page
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Old 10-21-2018, 03:54 AM   #122
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I am appalled to think that someone would want to just “move on. This case doesn’t warrant as much time as people are giving it.”
Kurt WAS a “good kid”. Yeah, he was a “ lightweight” because he was not the “heavy drinker” that some made him out to be.
He was my oldest brothers best friend. Yeah, they drank a few beers but never a lot. Kurt always went home afterwards. He may have feared consequences from his parents, but, he always went home. And his parents had already raised 3 other sons, they knew the things he was bound to be doing at his age.
For someone to say that his case is not worthy of the time it’s been given is downright rude and disrespectful. If it were your child, whether he be 13-17- or 30, you would want everything possible to be done to solve the case. And I personally hope you never have to go through the ordeal that Kurt’s parents, brothers, and friends went through during that time and beyond. It was pure torture for everyone associated with/to Kurt.
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This is such a fascinating case. I live in Cleveland and am very close to Newburgh Hts. I drove by there everyday on my way to work. I am so tempted to go down there and raid the police station. Ha! My opinion about what happened is simple. Kurt was drinking all day. Not only that but he was drinking Everclear. Ouch! He stepped up his level of drinking when he went to the house party. He got reeling drunk. The residents of the house...Debbie Sams and Clayton Sams dealt with the situation of Kurt being sick by having him sleep it off in the basement. Kurt wasn't getting better. After a few days of covering for Kurt in the hope he would rebound and then head back home...he perished. I am thinking he lasted about 3 days. The residents freaked. They came up with a plan to ditch the body. They didn't want to get into trouble. Done. And so damn sad. I have researched this case and located Debbie Sams and her brother Clayton on Facebook. That's right. Both of them are on Facebook. It's incredible. Debbie's last name is now Seymour.

There are even a few photos posted by Clayton on one of his pages that are from the early 80's. You see a young Debbie and Clayton in one of the photos standing in the house where this happened!!! Then in the comment section of the Facebook photo you have Debbie saying this:

"that was a long time ago... man I'm glad we got out of there...lol"

...then Clayton responds: "me too."

Creepy as hell. Wow.

Does anyone have the guts to reach out to one of them??? I thought about it but didn't have the courage. Chances are that even if you did reach out to them there is no way they would respond. That is my opinion.
Yeah I saw that too. Apparently that both live in Tennessee now.
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