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Old 06-23-2015, 11:07 AM   #136
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Sorry guys,

The nice high school/college girls aren't always so innocent. I even bet their relationship wasn't platonic. It takes two to tango.

She had a brain of her own too.

Those 18 year old girls aren't always so innocent. They dated for a year. She lived with him and used him.

Randall definitely took the situation to an extreme, but Denise wasn't just some innocent girl.
So that warrants being abused and threatened with a gun? As I recall she isnt the criminal he is. If she was as devious as his supporters claim all he had to do was move on with his life and look to date a person of his age. That probably would have worked better.
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And we only have her story and her testimony.

What about others who claim Denise stalked him and was constantly stirring up drama?

The car chase - did that actually happen the way it was portrayed or are we basing it solely on what Denise said? I believe it is the latter.
Well when he turns himself in to authorities for escaping from jail and faces the charges that were filed against him by authorities maybe we will get his side of the story and we can revisit the topic. I cannot defend a fugitive and he deserved the portrayal he got!! And it's not like these are alleged only...he was charged was he not?
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Old 06-23-2015, 11:34 AM   #138
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The worst one was that British guy who killed his wife & kid & his parents defended him despite his ludicrous behaviour & story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Entwistle
Oh, I'm familiar with that one. Itís on a 20/20 episode I have. Killing his wife was bad enough, but he had to be particularly evil to shoot his baby like that, she couldnít have been more than a handful of months old.
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So that warrants being abused and threatened with a gun? As I recall she isnt the criminal he is. If she was as devious as his supporters claim all he had to do was move on with his life and look to date a person of his age. That probably would have worked better.
Yeah but that would have involved using logic and sense. And those weren't exactly strengths of his.

It doesn't matter if she was the biggest user on the planet. Nothing justifies what he did and the lengths he went to. He gets zero sympathy from me.
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I may be out of line for asking this, but Reb, is there some personal reason you are so adamant in defending Randall Utterback?
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Not at all. I am not defending him, but I believe Denise earned her fair share of the blame for this whole situation.
So you do think she is to blame for the crimes committed against her?
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Of course not. Randall took it to an extreme.
But you assert that Denise "earned her fair share of the blame", and that she is "culpable".

Interesting.
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Did you ever have the urge to bang your head against the wall? This thread kind of makes me want to.
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The UM segment was certainly biased in Denise's favor.
No one was stopping Randall from telling his side of the story.
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No one was stopping Randall from telling his side of the story.
That's my problem with this whole argument. Of course there are almost always two sides to every story. But we only have one side because the criminal chose not to face the justice system. So now all of those that support him can't even do it if they wanted to(legally). Typing support for him for on a computer behind closed doors doesn't hold any weight. What holds weight for me is that he's caught or turns himself in and then those supporters testify under oath and we hear his story under oath as well. Until then he's nothing more than a cowardly criminal and Denise is the innocent victim.
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I'm starting to think Reb IS Randall Utterback.
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Nerdy? Doesn't sound like it. It sounds like he was a cool older guy in town.
Ok I get that....and the portrayal does make him nerdy or maybe cool as you say if you like UMs own Matthew Mac dazed and confused guy...there's always one. I don't see that as a manly trait but to each their own. And I'm sure like someone else already pointed out....people that liked him may have watched it and got upset with what they saw.

With that said I still don't have a problem with UM's portrayal even if it was biased because he is a fugitive. Like many other fugitives profiled they got a one sided story based on the knowledge of the laws that were broken and other accounts that were given at that time. And then of course the show is a production that has to reach viewers so there is show biz factor.

I can't recall many people rushing to the support of other fugitives that were profiled(other than maybe family members). in some stories people that liked the fugitive were the ones that did the right thing and turned them in so that justice could be served.
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Did you ever have the urge to bang your head against the wall? This thread kind of makes me want to.
I'm doing my best to stay out of it.

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Randall would be 53 this year and I believe that looking back on his 30 year old self he realized he made five mistakes.

1- He fell head over heels in love with a cute 18 year old high school girl.

2- He should have realized that she was probably using him for money and a place to live, for rides, and so forth.

3- If she was as manipulative and conniving as those from the town who knew her described her, then he should have stayed away.

4- Confronting her the first time after chasing her car, which I believe was just an ongoing pattern of fighting and making up, was a mistake. I am convinced that she just chose to call the police then because she wanted him to suffer.

5- Confronting her the second time was a major mistake. Even if she did carry a gun, Randall bringing a gun was a mistake. Also- in court she admitted that they spoke before they got into the car together and she agreed to marry him. So did she embellish the danger of the car ride? Randall wanted to make up and get back together and was dramatic enough to tell her that without her he had no reason to live. Foolish, but he was desperate. My instinct tells me they partly made up but then she called the police even after she said she would marry him before the car ride as she stated in court.
6. Escaping from jail and not defending his case if he had a leg to stand on. Or just admitting his mistakes and facing the punishment. By now his time would be served and he'd be back to crashing HS proms legally.
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I think we all DO have an understanding of the Utterback case. I've said this in other threads, in addition to this one:

I don't care if Denise is the biggest whore on the block and ran around naked in all her glory all the live long day for everyone to see. I don't care if she WAS a manipulative eighteen year old who promised him the world to get what she wanted. At the end of the day, it does not matter. She did not deserve what happened to her.

Does Randall Utterback have a side in the story? Of course he does. But instead of choosing to face his charges AND TELL THAT SIDE OF THE STORY, he ran away and hid. So no one knows what his defense would have/ could have been. I've worked both sides of the table in criminal matters. Defense attorneys (myself included) have planted reasonable doubt in the mind of jurors with the "ehh, she's a big slut" defense.

While we're so busy pointing the finger at Denise, did anyone ever stop to consider the fact that Randall was considerably older than her? Even IF Denise was the terrible person that some on here have painted her out to be, shouldn't Randall (in his 12+ years more life experience) have caught onto that and stopped associating with her? Stopped giving her money? Stopped supporting her and giving her a place to live? Instead, he chose to stalk and terrorize her.

He gets no sympathy from me. While I respect the opinions of those who think that he was just some "poor schmuck in love who got burned by a femme fatale," the fact of the matter is that one person and one person alone is responsible for what happened: Randall Utterback. HE kidnapped Denise. HE stalked her. HE terrorized her.

I'm baffled that there's argument going the other way. At the end of the day, just own your actions. He chose to run away instead.
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