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Old 07-13-2014, 08:13 AM   #16
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This doesn't make sense (what I bolded in your statement).

And there is no way you could know how much Korean Elizabeth did or did not know. Let alone how she was raised. You're making assumptions about her heritage without any basis for your conclusions.

And human bones don't travel all over the place because of animals. If that was the case no one would be found ever.
Poking holes in Francium's arguments is generally like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Poking holes in Francium's arguments is generally like shooting fish in a barrel.
Thanks for the 3-minute belly laugh.

Their posts remind me of the crap that's spewed on Democratic Underground.
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Thanks for the 3-minute belly laugh.

Their posts remind me of the crap that's spewed on Democratic Underground.
Great username my friend. I think it fits.
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Her purse was found in Ozona, Texas, which has a population of less than 4,000 people in a county that only has one city (Ozona). That's a ton of unexplored space. I might add too that the Asian population was less than 1%. An interstate and a lot of highways are nearby.
I might be way off here, but the place where her purse was turned in, does not necessarily mean that's where it was located. It is possible it was found somewhere else, he/she thought about keeping it but then developed a conscience and turned it in where-ever he/she was located at the time (in this case, the Crocket County Sheriff's Department). I might be way off, but IMHO it is possible.
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This episode always fascinated me. I have always thought that her boyfriend had something to do with it. They got into an argument before she left. He was last person to see/talk to her. Anyone else agree?
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This episode always fascinated me. I have always thought that her boyfriend had something to do with it. They got into an argument before she left. He was last person to see/talk to her. Anyone else agree?
Under normal circumstances I would agree with you, but there is one variable in this case that make me think the boyfriend is not involved. Apparently there was a study group at his house that night (UM doesn't mention this, but the CP page does). So there would have been witnesses. It wasn't just the two of them alone. Additionally, we can feel pretty confident that she made it to the 7-11 since a clerk spotted her there.

I feel that this was a stranger abduction and there was a lot of unfortunate timing involved.
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Just to talk about how much Korean Elizabeth knew, according to CP she knew "a few" words. I only bring this up because of the alleged convenience store sighting, which I think was unlikely to have involved Elizabeth at all. Firstly, if she only knew a few words I don't know how the man would carry a conversation with her in Korean, but most telling of all is that a kidnapper would be very unlikely to bring her out in public. It's been done before (I'm thinking of Shasta Groene, the sole survivor of her family who was kidnapped, but she was a child). How likely is it a kidnapper would allow his adult captive to do this? Highly unlikely. Sadly, I think this was mistaken identity and that the girl seen just looked like Elizabeth.

I think the boyfriend made a huge mistake not giving her a ride home when she requested one (both from the store and when at the study group), but he wasn't involved. Wiseguy, I believe you're correct this was just very unfortunate timing.
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Just to talk about how much Korean Elizabeth knew, according to CP she knew "a few" words. I only bring this up because of the alleged convenience store sighting, which I think was unlikely to have involved Elizabeth at all. Firstly, if she only knew a few words I don't know how the man would carry a conversation with her in Korean, but most telling of all is that a kidnapper would be very unlikely to bring her out in public. It's been done before (I'm thinking of Shasta Groene, the sole survivor of her family who was kidnapped, but she was a child). How likely is it a kidnapper would allow his adult captive to do this? Highly unlikely. Sadly, I think this was mistaken identity and that the girl seen just looked like Elizabeth.

I think the boyfriend made a huge mistake not giving her a ride home when she requested one (both from the store and when at the study group), but he wasn't involved. Wiseguy, I believe you're correct this was just very unfortunate timing.
I agree. I've never thought the woman seen was Elizabeth. I know kidnapped victims are brainwashed over a period of time, but these sightings happened months, IIRC, after Elizabeth disappeared. She had a perfect opportunity to seek help (if indeed the woman really was Elizabeth), yet she didn't.
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I think I'm in the minority, but I don't believe the Asian woman seen with the controlling Asian man was Elizabeth. I just don't see how an abductor would take his captive out in public for some ice cream.
Yes on paper it doesnt make sense on first site but from cases of kidnapping people to be held as sex slaves or just slaves I have seen it does make some sense. At first the kidnapper will keep their hostage held & deprive them of food, light etc, tie them up all day and repeatedly rape them as that lady said in the documentary ........once the captive has been stripped of their resistance, identity and brainwashed they will start to develop Stockholm sysndrome like Patty Hearst and Elizabeth Smart .

Once the victim has Stockholm syndrome the abductor will gradually start to see this and then develop some trust of the victim after which the victim will start to be "rewarded" for good behavior and such rewards will include , no longer being tied up and caged all day, being given better food and water, the reduction of brutal rape etc and eventually when the abductor feels they can trust their victim not to try and escape they will reward the victim by for example letting them out of the house , then take them somewhere public under close supervision and eventually the kidnapper will take the victim public and not hold them close and even let them go into a store alone while waiting for them outside ,or even take them to a restaurant as a reward .... kinda like how the sightings of Elizabeth in the months that followed her disappearance first had her being held closely by the man then later he trusted her enough to let her go into the store alone , if we are to believe the witness sightings

something similar happened with Elizabeth Smart, possibly Anthonette Cayedito , the woman kidnapped and held captive by Cameron Hooker many years ago.......because of such cases I feel its quite possible that the mysterious asian man could have taken his kidnap victim for ice cream as a reward for being a "good girl" for example......while I am not 100% sure the woman was Elizabeth, the way the woman seen behaved and was held suggests a master - slave relationship and taking her for ice cream was conditioning of the slave through giving them rewards for their obedience to the master ........
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Jacee Dugard is another good example. She was held captive for two decades and over all those years, was left alone many times. She had countless opportunities to easily escape and she never tried. it's common for abductors to put the fear of GOD into you (usually with threats towards your family and loved ones) if you try to escape despite being left alone, despite opportunities to run when you're in public. That fear holds you back.

I can imagine that happening with Elizabeth. It was said that before she disappeared, she was a very shy girl with few friends and rarely could be away from her parents for very long. She was very sheltered. An abductor would be able to subdue her with no problem.
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I never thought the sighting of the Asian man and woman had anything to do with the sex trade, personally. I kind of always got the impression this was an actual couple, or even relatives.
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I never thought the sighting of the Asian man and woman had anything to do with the sex trade, personally. I kind of always got the impression this was an actual couple, or even relatives.
Me too.

Wasn't Elizabeth's purse found scattered on a highway a couple of months after she disappeared? I think that's an indicator that she was abducted and unfortunately murdered.
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I never thought the sighting of the Asian man and woman had anything to do with the sex trade, personally. I kind of always got the impression this was an actual couple, or even relatives.
Yes while there is nothing to suggest a link to the sex trade , its is possible that the woman could have been being held as a sex slave specifically for that man. People like Elizabeth Smart`s abductor, Cameron Hooker and men who do this sort thing tend to have desires for their own personal sex slave who will indulge them in all their "needs" so to speak , the demeanor of that man and woman based on witness accounts would to me suggest more likelihood of them being a couple than relatives ....

What intrigues me is why the police thought that woman couldnt have been Elizabeth .......
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Wasn't Elizabeth's purse found scattered on a highway a couple of months after she disappeared? I think that's an indicator that she was abducted and unfortunately murdered.
Yes. I strongly think this is probably what happened, as opposed to her being kidnapped and forced into a human trafficking situation.
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The purse ended up forgotten for years in an evidence room way out in Ozana Texas. Unfortunately no one remembers the circumstances of how it arrived there. Ozana would be along one route to I-10 and El Paso from the Fort Hood/Kileen/Cove area. I've driven that route quite a few times myself and it's rather desolate compared to I-35 between Waco and Austin.

This case had always interested me. I guess as a kid I remember the story because Elizabeth was, like me, half Korean. I also used to live in Copperas Cove, the town where she disappeared from when I was stationed at Fort Hood.

I have a feeling that the Asian couple is unrelated. Some Asian cultures have (and especially HAD) rather dated attitudes towards women and treatment which would appear rough or cold to a Westerner would be unremarkable in some segments of some Asian cultures. The eyewitness was fairly sure and I was impressed that she remembered the tooth overlap.
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