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Old 09-21-2016, 06:31 PM   #151
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This going to be quite debatable, but CBS forcing Walter Cronkite, who had just turned 65, to retire from the CBS Evening News and replacing him w/ Dan Rather. While Cronkite earned the trust of his audience, viewers didn't feel comfortable with Rather and saw right through his phony home-spun persona. That “Kenneth" incident (as well as Rather walking off set in protest to a US Open tennis match running long, thus creating "dead air" for about five to six minutes) didn't help Rather's image either along with that hokey (and thankfully short-lived) sign off of his.

Another major mistake CBS that arguably made was trying to pass off Connie Chung as a believable (or more believable depending on your point of view) anchor by teaming her up with Rather. It just felt like a major waste of time and money on CBS’ part trying to pass her off as being creditable when the network could have used that money and effort in recruiting younger talent.
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I don't understand why Dan Rather would walk off the set because of the US Open running late.
I mean, Dan could have kept quiet and let the tennis match finish, and then done a shortened program. I've never seen a anchor do that since.
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Renewing survivor and big brother for the 28 season. 2Awful shows. Can't understand why they keep on getting renewed
It's also because the president and CEO of C, that's B.S. Les Moonves's wife (Julie Chen) hosts the latter and as long she's still married to him, she isn't going anywhere.

It's also the very reason why The Talk (which is a ripoff of ABC's The View) was selected to replace the now long-cancelled soap As the World Turns over other shows (like the planned $1M Pyramid in particular) in the 1st place.
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It's also the very reason why The Talk (which is a ripoff of ABC's The View) was selected to replace the now long-cancelled soap As the World Turns over other shows (like the planned $1M Pyramid in particular) in the 1st place.
and why Julie Chen is basically given complete control over The Talk, especially in terms of casting. Julie's preference for Sharon Osbourne is one of the reasons that Julie was allowed to force Leah Remini and Holly Robinson Peete off the show after season 1.
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Old 12-05-2016, 02:24 AM   #155
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Hey guys,

20 years ago this fall,

CBS cancelled 2 of their long running shows:

Murder, She Wrote after 12 seasons and Rescue 911 after 7 seasons

The reason is real simple:

another BIG TIME Mess-Up by CBS

and here's why:

Murder, She Wrote was a Sunday Night Tradition for the 1st 11 seasons from 1984-1995 and was in the Nielsen Ratings Top 20 during its run on Sunday Nights including its trip to the Top 10 for the 1st 5 seasons, Seasons 8 & 9 and Season 11, plus from the Fall of '85 to the Spring of '88, it was in the Nielsen Ratings Top 5 for 3 consecutive seasons joining up with the likes of The Cosby Show, Family Ties, Cheers and The Golden Girls as well as A Different World when NBC moved Ties to Sunday Nights against MSW

MSW was also Prime Time's #1 drama for 9 seasons from 1985-1994

Rescue 911 with William Shatner was a Tuesday Night Tradition for 1st 6 seasons during the very 1st season, the show didn't get off to a great start as it was up against NBC's Popular Mystery Matlock and abc's Who's the Boss? and The Wonder Years

But during the 90/91 Season, it cracked the Top 40 and beginning with the Fall of '91, the show was in the Nielsen Ratings Top 30 for 3 straight seasons and was in the Top 20 for 2 straight seasons when the show up against Full House and even though the show didn't get higher ratings than FH, the show did however get better ratings than NBC Tuesday Nights

However, the 94/95 Season, the show dropped out of the Top 30 thanks to not only Full House, but also, NBC's WINGS

But...the biggest mess-up happened during the 95/96 season when both MSW and 911 moved to Thursday Nights against NBC's Thursday Night Juggernaut known as Must-See TV

CBS put Murder, She Wrote up against Friends and the new comedy The Single Guy and Rescue 911 was up against TV's #1 comedy Seinfeld and the new comedy Caroline in the City and 48 Hours with Dan Rather was up against TV's #1 drama and the #1 show of the season ER and as a result, Murder, She Wrote tumbled 50 BIG Notches from #8 to #58 and Rescue 911 dropped 36 BIG Notches from #48 to #84

IMO, putting both Murder, She Wrote and Rescue 911 against NBC's Must-See TV hurt both shows and it was no way in the world that they were gonna outdo Friends, The Single Guy, Seinfeld and Caroline in the City

911 moved to Thursday Nights after the network cancelled New York News with Mary Tyler Moore, Joe Morton, Gregory Harrison and Melina Kanakaredes of Guiding Light, Providence and CSI: NY
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Imo, I don't think Must See TV was that strong. Yes, Friends and Seinfeld were huge but Caroline in the City and The Single Guy were unproven. I don't think those two shows got as big of ratings than Friends and Seinfeld.
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Murder, She Wrote was a Sunday Night Tradition for the 1st 11 seasons from 1984-1995 and was in the Nielsen Ratings Top 20 during its run on Sunday Nights including its trip to the Top 10 for the 1st 5 seasons, Seasons 8 & 9 and Season 11, plus from the Fall of '85 to the Spring of '88, it was in the Nielsen Ratings Top 5 for 3 consecutive seasons joining up with the likes of The Cosby Show, Family Ties, Cheers and The Golden Girls as well as A Different World when NBC moved Ties to Sunday Nights against MSW
And I remember Pat Summerall promoting on Sundays that MSW, Crazy Like A Fox, and Trapper John, M.D., among others, would follow CBS' late broadcasts of NFL football when CBS had the NFC rights. Nothing like that has followed after CBS' current AFC broadcasts, and that's a shame.
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Imo, I don't think Must See TV was that strong. Yes, Friends and Seinfeld were huge but Caroline in the City and The Single Guy were unproven. I don't think those two shows got as big of ratings than Friends and Seinfeld.
Well here were the ratings:

ER #1
Seinfeld #2
Friends #3
Caroline in the City #4
Monday Night Football #5
The Single Guy #6

Well it may not have gotten bigger ratings than Friends and Seinfeld, but they were still great shows, but when Caroline got moved to Monday Nights, that's when the show sinked in the ratings

also, Must-See TV Thursdays was the reason that NBC was still #1 over abc and CBS during the mid-90's

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This going to be quite debatable, but CBS forcing Walter Cronkite, who had just turned 65, to retire from the CBS Evening News and replacing him w/ Dan Rather. While Cronkite earned the trust of his audience, viewers didn't feel comfortable with Rather and saw right through his phony home-spun persona. That “Kenneth" incident (as well as Rather walking off set in protest to a US Open tennis match running long, thus creating "dead air" for about five to six minutes) didn't help Rather's image either along with that hokey (and thankfully short-lived) sign off of his.

Another major mistake CBS that arguably made was trying to pass off Connie Chung as a believable (or more believable depending on your point of view) anchor by teaming her up with Rather. It just felt like a major waste of time and money on CBS’ part trying to pass her off as being creditable when the network could have used that money and effort in recruiting younger talent.
Also passing over Roger Mudd for The main anchor position for CBS Evening News. Dan threatened to lewve for ABC.
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Well here were the ratings:

ER #1
Seinfeld #2
Friends #3
Caroline in the City #4
Monday Night Football #5
The Single Guy #6

Well it may not have gotten bigger ratings than Friends and Seinfeld, but they were still great shows, but when Caroline got moved to Monday Nights, that's when the show sinked in the ratings

also, Must-See TV Thursdays was the reason that NBC was still #1 over abc and CBS during the mid-90's
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Hey guys,

20 years ago this fall,

CBS cancelled 2 of their long running shows:

Murder, She Wrote after 12 seasons and Rescue 911 after 7 seasons

The reason is real simple:

another BIG TIME Mess-Up by CBS

and here's why:

Murder, She Wrote was a Sunday Night Tradition for the 1st 11 seasons from 1984-1995 and was in the Nielsen Ratings Top 20 during its run on Sunday Nights including its trip to the Top 10 for the 1st 5 seasons, Seasons 8 & 9 and Season 11, plus from the Fall of '85 to the Spring of '88, it was in the Nielsen Ratings Top 5 for 3 consecutive seasons joining up with the likes of The Cosby Show, Family Ties, Cheers and The Golden Girls as well as A Different World when NBC moved Ties to Sunday Nights against MSW

MSW was also Prime Time's #1 drama for 9 seasons from 1985-1994

Rescue 911 with William Shatner was a Tuesday Night Tradition for 1st 6 seasons during the very 1st season, the show didn't get off to a great start as it was up against NBC's Popular Mystery Matlock and abc's Who's the Boss? and The Wonder Years

But during the 90/91 Season, it cracked the Top 40 and beginning with the Fall of '91, the show was in the Nielsen Ratings Top 30 for 3 straight seasons and was in the Top 20 for 2 straight seasons when the show up against Full House and even though the show didn't get higher ratings than FH, the show did however get better ratings than NBC Tuesday Nights

However, the 94/95 Season, the show dropped out of the Top 30 thanks to not only Full House, but also, NBC's WINGS

But...the biggest mess-up happened during the 95/96 season when both MSW and 911 moved to Thursday Nights against NBC's Thursday Night Juggernaut known as Must-See TV

CBS put Murder, She Wrote up against Friends and the new comedy The Single Guy and Rescue 911 was up against TV's #1 comedy Seinfeld and the new comedy Caroline in the City and 48 Hours with Dan Rather was up against TV's #1 drama and the #1 show of the season ER and as a result, Murder, She Wrote tumbled 50 BIG Notches from #8 to #58 and Rescue 911 dropped 36 BIG Notches from #48 to #84

IMO, putting both Murder, She Wrote and Rescue 911 against NBC's Must-See TV hurt both shows and it was no way in the world that they were gonna outdo Friends, The Single Guy, Seinfeld and Caroline in the City

911 moved to Thursday Nights after the network cancelled New York News with Mary Tyler Moore, Joe Morton, Gregory Harrison and Melina Kanakaredes of Guiding Light, Providence and CSI: NY
I don't have all of the details right in front of me but I thought that towards the end of [i]MSW's[i/] run, Angela Lansbury was beginning to get weary of the grind of weekly, episodic television. Plus Leslie Moonves was starting to come into power at CBS and he in his own way, was weary of CBS' decidedly negative image/stigma of being the network for senior citizens. And of course, one of your biggest shows for the past 10+ years essentially being an American version of Miss Marple is sort of emblematic of the problem.
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This going to be quite debatable, but CBS forcing Walter Cronkite, who had just turned 65, to retire from the CBS Evening News and replacing him w/ Dan Rather. While Cronkite earned the trust of his audience, viewers didn't feel comfortable with Rather and saw right through his phony home-spun persona. That “Kenneth" incident (as well as Rather walking off set in protest to a US Open tennis match running long, thus creating "dead air" for about five to six minutes) didn't help Rather's image either along with that hokey (and thankfully short-lived) sign off of his.

Another major mistake CBS that arguably made was trying to pass off Connie Chung as a believable (or more believable depending on your point of view) anchor by teaming her up with Rather. It just felt like a major waste of time and money on CBS’ part trying to pass her off as being creditable when the network could have used that money and effort in recruiting younger talent.
Actually, Cronkite chose to retire and believe it or not, according to Cronkite's biography by Douglas Brinkley. Rather actually had more international experience and he was the relentless gumshoe reporter of the JFK assassination, civil rights, Vietnam, and Nixon woes.
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This going to be quite debatable, but CBS forcing Walter Cronkite, who had just turned 65, to retire from the CBS Evening News and replacing him w/ Dan Rather. While Cronkite earned the trust of his audience, viewers didn't feel comfortable with Rather and saw right through his phony home-spun persona. That “Kenneth" incident (as well as Rather walking off set in protest to a US Open tennis match running long, thus creating "dead air" for about five to six minutes) didn't help Rather's image either along with that hokey (and thankfully short-lived) sign off of his.

Another major mistake CBS that arguably made was trying to pass off Connie Chung as a believable (or more believable depending on your point of view) anchor by teaming her up with Rather. It just felt like a major waste of time and money on CBS’ part trying to pass her off as being creditable when the network could have used that money and effort in recruiting younger talent.
Also treating Cronkite like yesterday's news (no,pun intended) after he retired!
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Unfairly dismissing Paget Brewster and A.J. Cook from Criminal Minds, all to free up funds for the failed spin off Criminal Minds: Suspect Behavior, when it was pretty clear that Brewster and Cook were the only two female cast members who were active agents, as opposed to Kirsten Vangsness, who was mostly playing a technical analyst. It was like the CBS suits were telling women all across the country to "stay in the kitchen."

Unfairly dismissing Thomas Gibson from Criminal Minds for misbehavior off camera, yet giving chance after chance to Charlie Sheen on Two and a Half Men for even worse misbehavior.
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The news division treating Cronkite like crap after Rather took over and Rather and his ego and forcing changed into the news and burying Cronkite when he did his specials. Also lack of promoting his specials and continually moving around his science program: Universe
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