Who Ruined 'All in The Family?' Norman Lear? CBS? Carroll O'Connor?

[LittleRickyII]

Originally Posted by TVFactFan

That is inaccurate information because in the episode when Mike and Gloria go west in 1978, it was clearly filmed in front of a studio audience

Actually, what lucy&vivfan wrote is entirely inaccurate. I'm not sure exactly what point it happened, but production in later years certainly did transition to the "cold studio" method of taping the show, just like lucy&vivfan explained. Also, I have a feeling I know how lucy&vivfan is, and if my hunch is correct, this is someone who has been around the television business for longer than you've been alive, and he knows exactly what he's talking about.

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by LittleRickyII

Actually, what lucy&vivfan wrote is entirely inaccurate. I'm not sure exactly what point it happened, but production in later years certainly did transition to the "cold studio" method of taping the show, just like lucy&vivfan explained. Also, I have a feeling I know how lucy&vivfan is, and if my hunch is correct, this is someone who has been around the television business for longer than you've been alive, and he knows exactly what he's talking about.

They been around the television business? Proof?

[LittleRickyII]

Originally Posted by TVFactFan

They been around the television business? Proof?

I don't need to prove anything to you. If lucy&vivfan is who I think he is, then I know exactly how long he's been in the television business and I know the kind of work he does and some people he's worked with, including some very huge stars. The only way I can prove that to you is to publicly divulge who this person is, and obviously I'm not going to do that. I also know from some things you have posted that you're fairly young and it's perfectly safe to say this person has been working in the television industry longer than you've been on the planet. Further, I know the comment lucy&vivfan posted about AITF using the cold audience technique to be true. I have a book on AITF and they explain the whole thing there. If you want proof of that, then go read the book. Or else YOU prove that what you're saying is true (which I know you can't do because evidence of what you're saying does not exist). Frankly, I think you just like to argue because I constantly see you arguing with people on these boards. And a little piece of advice: change your screen name. It doesn't fit.

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by LittleRickyII

I don't need to prove anything to you. If lucy&vivfan is who I think he is, then I know exactly how long he's been in the television business and I know the kind of work he does and some people he's worked with, including some very huge stars. The only way I can prove that to you is to publicly divulge who this person is, and obviously I'm not going to do that. I also know from some things you have posted that you're fairly young and it's perfectly safe to say this person has been working in the television industry longer than you've been on the planet. Further, I know the comment lucy&vivfan posted about AITF using the cold audience technique to be true. I have a book on AITF and they explain the whole thing there. If you want proof of that, then go read the book. Or else YOU prove that what you're saying is true (which I know you can't do because evidence of what you're saying does not exist). Frankly, I think you just like to argue because I constantly see you arguing with people on these boards. And a little piece of advice: change your screen name. It doesn't fit.

Shut up

[catlover79]

Originally Posted by loaferman

Looking back at AITF there is definitely a point where the pushing of a liberal agenda was clearly the primary focus of the creative team and having it be funny was secondary. Fortunately they had the writers and actors to pull it off without losing the laughs.

That was such a fine line and it's amazing that they pulled it off. My grandparents, who were staunch Conservatives and Nixon supporters, loved this show.

[Dr. Thong]

Originally Posted by catlover79

That was such a fine line and it's amazing that they pulled it off. My grandparents, who were staunch Conservatives and Nixon supporters, loved this show.

I always find it interesting that shows like AITF and M*A*S*H which were clearly liberal in their content and point of view, appealed greatly to both liberals and conservatives.

And even AITF, which sprung from Norman Lear's liberal perspective, was not above doing shows that showed that Mike ("The Meathead") could be just as full of himself as Archie and was proven to be wrong about some of his points of view as well.

[Stuck In The '70's]

Originally Posted by Dr. Thong

I always find it interesting that shows like AITF and M*A*S*H which were clearly liberal in their content and point of view, appealed greatly to both liberals and conservatives.

And even AITF, which sprung from Norman Lear's liberal perspective, was not above doing shows that showed that Mike ("The Meathead") could be just as full of himself as Archie and was proven to be wrong about some of his points of view as well.

That's why they were so great. My family enjoyed all the Norman Lear shows as well as MASH and they weren't liberals. A lot of today's shows could learn a lot from Norman Lear.

[Retro4Life]

Originally Posted by Stuck In The '70's

That's why they were so great. My family enjoyed all the Norman Lear shows as well as MASH and they weren't liberals. A lot of today's shows could learn a lot from Norman Lear.

Exactly.

Lear is probably as liberal as one can be in his personal views, but he knew how to give credence to the other side, and balance things.

Nobody does that today. Nobody.

[Retro4Life]

And the weird thing is that my dad, who sided with Archie on just about every single issue (and often reminded me of him), was a Democrat! Of course, in the Seventies, you could still be a Democrat and hold conservative values.

[Dr. Thong]

Originally Posted by Retro4Life

Exactly.

Lear is probably as liberal as one can be in his personal views, but he knew how to give credence to the other side, and balance things.

Nobody does that today. Nobody.

True. And they don't make shows like AITF. Everything's so politically correct and creatively "stifled" that a show like AITF would never even make it to air. And if it did, it would be cancelled after two weeks for bad ratings.

[catlover79]

Originally Posted by Dr. Thong

True. And they don't make shows like AITF. Everything's so politically correct and creatively "stifled" that a show like AITF would never even make it to air. And if it did, it would be cancelled after two weeks for bad ratings.

Or it would be taken off the air due to protests - and in the age of social media, faxes, etc. - it would be even worse in that regard than it was in the 70s!!!