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Old 04-09-2015, 02:31 PM   #61
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I guess it's possible that Tom's killer, after murdering him, went back to the residence and took the paper in, and packed some clothes among other things, to make it appear like Tom was taking off for awhile. The only problem I have with this is the risk factor. One of Tom's neighbors could have seen this guy entering the apartment and leaving, or what if Barbara came home and found the guy? Too risky, IMO.
Yea, the only way I see that as possible is if his GF murdered him, which didn't happen. I know you know this, but one thing people need to keep in mind is that when some kills a complete stranger, they do not go to lengths to conceal or hide anything about the body. People who knew the victim do that sort of thing.
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Yea, the only way I see that as possible is if his GF murdered him, which didn't happen. I know you know this, but one thing people need to keep in mind is that when some kills a complete stranger, they do not go to lengths to conceal or hide anything about the body. People who knew the victim do that sort of thing.
I read an article years ago about Tom's disappearance (he was still missing when the article was written, but they did find the remains and Tom's belongings at that point) that quoted several friends who said that he would have never left Barbara without telling her, and that he would have never went off with someone unless he trusted them. One friend was adamant that Tom would have never just ran off or trusted a random guy he met at a strip club (as hinted at in the letter Barbara received), and that he had to have known the guy who wrote the letter.
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I guess it's possible that Tom's killer, after murdering him, went back to the residence and took the paper in, and packed some clothes among other things, to make it appear like Tom was taking off for awhile. The only problem I have with this is the risk factor. One of Tom's neighbors could have seen this guy entering the apartment and leaving, or what if Barbara came home and found the guy? Too risky, IMO.
Not to mention that Barbara received the anonymous letter about Tom's murder only days after he disappeared. I don't see why a killer would go to the trouble of packing a bag and trying to make it look like Tom disappeared voluntarily, only to send a letter confessing to Tom's murder shortly afterward.

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Could be, but maybe he was planning on telling her about it at lunch. Keep in mind, this was done in an age before cell phones.
I guess it's possible that the killer had somehow convinced Tom to accompany him on an unplanned road trip, but after packing a bag, Tom said: "We have to stop off at my girlfriend's workplace first, so I can tell her I'm leaving". Not wanting to be seen, the killer pulls a gun on Tom while they're on their way to Barbara's workplace, abducts him, and kills him at another location. I have my doubts that the killer would have forcibly abducted Tom from the apartment complex without drawing any attention.
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Old 10-18-2015, 02:24 PM   #64
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First, I don't watch much TV, I leave it on so I don't have complete silence in my apartment. I leave it on the channels that have Unsolved Mysteries, Westerns or GetTV, sometimes the news from Los Angeles. This Tom Roche case I've seen a few times before & got to thinking about it. What I see here is this: the killer said he came 'to' LA to find a person to kill just to see if he could still do it & get the same rush he got in Vietnam. So, I believe he was from one of three places that come together in northern California. Placer County (where the body was found), El Dorado County (real close to Placer) or Sacramento County (where weekend warriors live & work, but head to the hills on weekends to get away). They should be looking for a male about Toms size & physical shape, over 65 years old today (2015), knows his way around Placer County, came back from Vietnam about 1973 (??), has an interest in motorcycles, 4 wheel drives (which I suspect he used to get to the place where he dumped the body), strip clubs & porn shops (Sacramento has most of them in that area), a gold miner perhaps, crank dealer or a pot farmer (they all live in the hills of Placer & El Dorado counties, lots of wealthy people live there too., He had to have the time, the money & know his way around Los Angeles (or he would go crazy trying to get in & out of there without attracting attention), next, he had to drive to Placer county with a dead body, not easy to do in an open pick up truck, I suspect that he may have used a car (if Tom was already dead) or a van or closed in truck (has a camper on it) & might have somehow taken Tom to Placer county alive & killed him there, like the killer who was a baker in Alaska that used hookers for sport & hunted them in the open country. (on another true crime show I saw). I think he might have taken Tom to Placer county alive, let him loose & hunted him down like a dog, if he wanted just to kill him, he would have done that in Los Angeles & left him where he fell. It was the thrill of stalking him & then killing him. (at least I see it that way). They don't say exactly where in Placer county he was killed, but knowing the area, it goes from Sacramento to Nevada, Lake Tahoe & Truckee are in it. There are places up in the hills that you are unlikely to see anyone for miles around. Now if it was closer to Sacramento, say Foresthill or Coloma area, the American River Canyon is close & its hard to get down in there, unless you know your way around & mostly gold miners & drug dealers that cook crank are down in it. Another desolate place up there is on the Rubicon Trail where only 4 wheel drives can go. This clown left the body where it could be found, he didn't bury it, he wanted it to be found or he would have dumped it down an old mine shaft or well, plenty of them in Placer county. Another thing about the clothes & knife found with him, he just quit his job at the machine shop. I used to work in one & always carried extra clothes because you get dirty & after work, you go with your friends to a bar or restaurant & eat. He might have taken everything from work & was bringing them into his house at the time he got kidnapped, he went out & got the newspaper, then went after his clothes & bag & ran into this clown that killed him. I'll bet that if this moron is still alive, he is reading this, going to VA hospitals, VFW's (and the like), maybe even riding in the toy run in Sacramento at Christmas time, as a biker or veteran. His friends & neighbors will think he is a nice guy & I suspect he fits in among the people around him. The demons are hidden in his mind & aren't exposed to the people he sees on a daily basis. I also think it would be hard to transport a dead body in an open truck, he would be real nervous trying to drive that far with one. Now if Tom were still alive, handcuffed, tied up & taped his mouth shut, he would be less nervous knowing that they could only get him for kidnapping. Dead body means the end of the road forever. I also think that he didn't drive on Interstate 5 or on Route 99 either, to many places to attract attention & get people looking at you. He 'might' have taken Route 395 to Carson City, very desolate on that road at any hour, especially at night. Its a good way to get to Placer county without attracting attention & there are a bunch of gas stations with very few customers at night. Small towns & runs close to Nevada on the eastern side of the Sierra mountains. You can get to 395 from Los Angeles in about an hour & a half, take the I-220 & then I-15 headed toward Las Vegas, not a bad way to go if you don't want to be seen by the cops. Anyway, that is my thoughts on this. He is from northern California, maybe a trucker, seeing as he knows Los Angeles. Find one who came home from Vietnam around 1973 & lives up there, knows the things I said in this postings. He may have done this again after Tom, but I don't think he did it before that. It was a plan in his head & he would not tell anyone about it or anything like it. But it will always be on his mind & if he needs another thrill, he will do it again. Check all unsolved cases in that area after Tom was killed. I'm betting he did it again & didn't want to go out of the area to find someone this time, now that he knew how to get away with it. I believe he liked hunting & Tom was the pray, makes no sense, but to him it does.
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In Vietnam, those were impersonal kills, he killed them from a distance, not up close, unless he murdered old people, women & children like some sickos did. So, with Tom, he had to be up close & get to know him, but not just drop him there & walk away. I believe he is a hunter of sorts, he enjoys stalking his prey & dropping it from a distance. I think when he got him where he wanted him to be, then he let him go & run for his life. They should know if he was shot in the back while running or hiding in the bushes. I've been thinking about it all night after watching the show again. I'll bet this jerk lives close to where they found Tom, so he can go there & visit the site every now & then. What do you folks think about what I've said ? Does it make sense ?
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I found two articles online:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,3890305&hl=en
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https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,1512432&hl=en

One article I believe was published in a Michigan newspaper, the other in a newspaper from a town some 300 miles north of Burbank. I know most of what's in these articles has been posted on this thread and/or mentioned on UM.

However, maybe the location of the newspaper where the article was published, provides a clue to things such various places where police thought the killer might live, places Tom might have visited between disappearing and his body being found, or some other component of the investigation (at least at that time)? And the articles generated to try and get new leads?

That said, it could also have been a slow news day and the editors were looking for something to fill their pages. Before the internet and social media, the Associated Press was always a good way to fill in the blanks.

As a former reporter/assignment editor and news producer -- I can see either being possible.
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However, maybe the location of the newspaper where the article was published, provides a clue to things such various places where police thought the killer might live, places Tom might have visited between disappearing and his body being found, or some other component of the investigation (at least at that time)? And the articles generated to try and get new leads?
Thanks for the articles. I am curious where the letter that was sent to Barbara Rondeau was postmarked. Lodi, CA could have potentially been on the northbound route to Placer county, where Tom's remains were later located.

Tom was described as being a responsible person, so it's hard to believe that he would impulsively decide to take a 7 hour one way road trip and not mention it to his girlfriend. Another question is if investigators ever checked out former coworkers from the machine shop that Roche had recently quit.
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I highly doubt that anybody close to Tom (girlfriend, family, friends, co-workers and acquaintances) had any reason to kill him or were involved in any way. What I feel is that Tom was killed by a motorcycle gang and had his motorcycle stolen, in the same way Gus Hoffman was murdered, and the fact that personal effects of Tom's were sent to Barbara Rondeau (the girlfriend) signifies that Tom's murder was a hit. Has anyone else thought this? Did it ever say if his motorcycle was still at home or never turned up? What about DNA on the letter? If they have DNA/fingerprint(s), they can tie the murder to somebody. I hope Tom's murder can be solved so his girlfriend and everyone else who loved him can be at peace.
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Did it ever say if his motorcycle was still at home or never turned up?
The L.A. Times article on page 3 mentions that Tom's Harley-Davidson was left at his residence.

I don't believe this was a gang motivated crime, although it's possible that the killer was a one percenter or affiliated with mainstream biker culture. Neither Tom's bike nor the parts were stolen, and there's never been any evidence discovered about Tom that would indicate he was involved in criminal activities where he'd have been targeted for a hit. If the statement of the neighbor is valid, Tom felt comfortable enough with the killer to invite him over to his home, and he could have met this individual through any number of routes: a strip club, a bike rally or run, or through his most recent job. I find it a little odd that Tom didn't mention this guy or his impending visit to Barbara, but it might have been a spur of the moment thing.
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Did anyone else think it was weird when she said Tom was her lover then she said he was my father.... i know she didnt mean literally but i don't really get this statement. IMO she seems clingy
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Does anyone know if his gf/fiancee Barbara is still alive?
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Did anyone else think it was weird when she said Tom was her lover then she said he was my father.... i know she didnt mean literally but i don't really get this statement. IMO she seems clingy
I didn't. I think Barbara was just expressing that Tom was her world. "Fatherly" is a term of endearment, and the connotation suggests that he was nurturing and protective of her besides being her lover.
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Yeh i think you're right now that i re watch the segment.
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Recently re-watched this segment.

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1. I agree that Andy Marsala probably had his dates mixed up, and that he didn't see Tom the day after he disappeared.

2. My current feeling is that the letter isn't entirely legitimate. I think it almost certainly was written by Tom Roche's killer, but I'm still having a hard time believing a serial killer would single out a large man as a victim--especially one who presumably hadn't killed anyone since the Nixon administration. I get the feeling that the letter could have been written to serve as a red herring for both Barbara Rondeau and the authorities.

3. I think Tom Roche's killer probably knew him personally fairly well.

4. I still think Tom Roche had pretty ample occasion to come into contact with those on the "fringes of society" via his riding hobby, through venues such as biker bars, shops, strip clubs, etc. I tend to think he did indeed meet his killer this way, although I do not think the murder was motivated by the killer's supposed homicidal urges. I think it was over some beef or perceived slight that unfolded in the recesses of one of these establishments, and either no one talked about it with police, or no one even knew about it with the exception of Tom and/or the perpetrator(s).
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I don't often dig into cases from later seasons like this, but this one seemed to be one of those fringe ones I never heard too much about before.

Given the conditions under which he disappeared, I would have to agree with others that the killer was someone Tom knew/felt comfortable with. I can't see robbery being a motive, as his bike didn't disappear, nor did he cash that paycheck of his and take the money with him.

I got stuck on post #44 (from pg 3) and would have to agree w/that scenario. The only question I'd have though, is what ever became of Barbara? Did the perp in this case, end up getting together with her as the post implied? A guy crazy enough to off someone over a woman doesn't seem like the type to take rejection well (and I'd find it hard to believe he'd just resume his normal life if the woman he killed for rebuffed him).
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