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Old 10-22-2018, 11:55 AM   #91
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That Hall was pointing out the inconsistencies in her story & he wrote the book on the case speaks volumes. I think this case is similar to the Wackers & L'Enfant-whoever was doing it was the people themselves or those extremely close to them.
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Old 10-24-2018, 08:00 AM   #92
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The facts prove she was stalked and murdered. You are choosing to be wrong. Clearly you're never going to change your mind so I won't bother with you. I'll simply add you to my ignore list and move on.
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The facts prove she was stalked and murdered. You are choosing to be wrong. Clearly you're never going to change your mind so I won't bother with you. I'll simply add you to my ignore list and move on.

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Old 10-24-2018, 05:38 PM   #94
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There is SO much information that the UM story left out. There is a lot of evidence to support the stalking theory and a lot to support the "she did it to herself" theory.
That's why I really loved the book. It answers every question you might have had on earlier viewings of the segment. From big things like, what did the note say that was pinned with the knife through her hand? To little random things that might have crossed your brain like what was the wrapped gift found in her car? It also brings up so many things that the segment never mentioned which is understandable. You can't really cram 6 1/2 years into a 12 minute segment.

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Likely because it would have made her look bad, if it was even known about when the segment was done. Quite possible the cop was also dismissed for doing this-having a relationship with either a victim of crime or a hoaxer & possibly using force resources without permission.
On the surface, Pat McBride's relationship with Cindy might seem a little scandalous but there's not much there. He was one of the cops who answered to Cindy's earliest complaints of harassment. They formed a friendship and he mentioned needing to find a place to live. Cindy had a spare bedroom to rent out and she offered it to him and he took it. Their friendship eventually developed in to a romance and they even started double dating for a while with Cindy's ex-husband and his new love interest...which seems all kinds of awkward but, whatever. They were still on good terms. Eventually, Pat asked Cindy to marry him and she declined. He moved out shortly afterwards and they had no contact with each other the last 4 years of Cindy's life.

McBride wasn't dismissed for this relationship though it was looked at, publicly, as a little trashy once the inquest took place. He also didn't use resources without permission. The old school phone tracer was installed by Ozzie Kaban, not the police. And yes, McBride was sitting next to Cindy at the kitchen table when he answered one of those threatening calls.

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That Hall was pointing out the inconsistencies in her story & he wrote the book on the case speaks volumes.
Neal Hall wrote the book before the Unsolved Mysteries segment was filmed. When he appeared on 'W5' to discuss the case, he said, "I now believe that it was a suicide." That would suggest he was still on the fence about her death when he wrote the book. And it was pretty clear how he felt once the UM segment was filmed. Especially when he tilted his head and asked, "Does that make sense?"
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Neal Hall wrote the book before the Unsolved Mysteries segment was filmed. When he appeared on 'W5' to discuss the case, he said, "I now believe that it was a suicide." That would suggest he was still on the fence about her death when he wrote the book. And it was pretty clear how he felt once the UM segment was filmed. Especially when he tilted his head and asked, "Does that make sense?"
This is a great (and often misunderstood) point, dynoguy. I’m glad you brought this up. People who have only seen the UM story often think Neal Hall was anti-Cindy. But his book was very middle of the road and he kept saying that there wasn’t a clear cause or explanation. Only at the end did he sort of side with suicide. However he painted a very good picture of Cindy and focused on her past trauma and potential abuse. I thought he was very sympathetic towards her.

The UM story makes it seem like he was out to get her, but really it was him just taking an objective look at the facts.
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The facts prove she was stalked and murdered. You are choosing to be wrong. Clearly you're never going to change your mind so I won't bother with you. I'll simply add you to my ignore list and move on.
Nice to see you keeping an open mind-the facts such as they are suggest it could be murder or a hoax. Of course it could also have been a hoax & that she just happened to run into a killer.
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The facts prove she was stalked and murdered. You are choosing to be wrong. Clearly you're never going to change your mind so I won't bother with you. I'll simply add you to my ignore list and move on.
I am impressed you used "you're" instead of "your" there. Puts you a cut above most internet posters.
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Since there are new replies since my last post, I feel it's worth sharing that the users on my ignore list are James T, Todd Muelller, Freakbook, and cordwainer1453. If you're one of them and you're reading this, no need to reply to my posts because I can't see them. :-)
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All right, y’all. Time for my reminder to keep it civil. We can agree to disagree on cases, as it keeps life interesting.

JohnUM previously mentioned the placement of Cindy’s body as being plausible. While I respect the opinion, I disagree. It sounds like her body was found in a very busy location— so how did it go unseen for so long?

I say that still not knowing what happened. I can’t let go of the homicide theory yet, although I do think there is a strong case for suicide. I want to know what changed Hall’s mind, to be honest...
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JohnUM previously mentioned the placement of Cindy’s body as being plausible. While I respect the opinion, I disagree. It sounds like her body was found in a very busy location— so how did it go unseen for so long?
Very close to a busy intersection. You can see a brief glimpse of it in the background during the first few seconds of the segment.

And don't forget the squatter who lived in a van on the lot. He cooked his meals on a fire pit just five meters from where Cindy's corpse was. He never noticed any foul odor, never even noticed the body until the police showed up.
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Wasn't there a doctor who she was having issues with?
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Blocking people just because they have a different point of view to you? Think I have heard it all now.
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All right, y’all. Time for my reminder to keep it civil. We can agree to disagree on cases, as it keeps life interesting.

JohnUM previously mentioned the placement of Cindy’s body as being plausible. While I respect the opinion, I disagree. It sounds like her body was found in a very busy location— so how did it go unseen for so long?

I say that still not knowing what happened. I can’t let go of the homicide theory yet, although I do think there is a strong case for suicide. I want to know what changed Hall’s mind, to be honest...
Maybe she thought she would be found and then wasn't for whatever fluke reason? Now that that other guy has blocked everyone, we can say what we really believe. This was definitely a suicide. When someone so stubbornly maintains a viewpoint and won't listen to any others, they have to know they are wrong and just don't want to admit it.
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Very close to a busy intersection. You can see a brief glimpse of it in the background during the first few seconds of the segment.

And don't forget the squatter who lived in a van on the lot. He cooked his meals on a fire pit just five meters from where Cindy's corpse was. He never noticed any foul odor, never even noticed the body until the police showed up.
That is interesting, but what’s the implication? Is the suggestion that a cop or someone dropped off the body at the scene?
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That is interesting, but what’s the implication? Is the suggestion that a cop or someone dropped off the body at the scene?
I don't know if I'd say cop, but I definitely think her body was moved. I don't believe she died where she was found. Just my opinion.
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