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Old 10-13-2015, 08:50 AM   #31
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the major drop in Season 7 is puzzling, though I read that they shifted the Girls to a different night and time slot
Only half of that is true. The show NEVER went to a different night, it was a Saturday night staple for its entire run. What did happen was that it moved an hour earlier to 8:00 for season 7. I still remember the commercial advertising that with its cowboy song and animation..."Movin' movin' movin', Golden Girls are movin' to 8:00 on Saturday night! Empty Nest is movin', it's 9:00 we're usin', " (and then I don't recall the last line.

So the move out of its 6-year 9:00 time slot was the major factor in ratings dropping.
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Old 10-22-2015, 02:55 AM   #32
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to do the show? Was it because she just wanted another project or maybe retire? Boy, it sure killed the show when she left. I never watched the Golden Palace because I never knew it ever existed until I read about the show on this board. But her presence in Golden Girls was bigger than I thought because Golden Palace only lasted one season or at least that is what I understand.
Money and she wanted more say in the writing once Terry Hughes left. She didn't trust the new "kids" as she put it and wanted more creative control in the series. Therefore, she surely was not going to go on with Golden Palace. It was discussed as a possibility of having Lee Grant to replace her in the role of Dorothy for Golden Palace, and not marry her off. Almost happened, never did. Plus, Estelle Getty felt it would be uncomfortable to have to try and re-create the same chemistry with a new actress.

Additionally, the idea of a fifth and new Golden Girl was spoken about to run the desk. However, the writers felt it would be too overwhelming to have 5 women. Possibility of Lucille Ball for this role was talked about but they thought it would be better to have a man in the role to compliment the women in the work world, and to show that women can work at an older age as well. Not only that, Lucille Ball did not want to be in an ensemble role which is why she turned down the role that was taken in an earlier episodes of Golden Girl by Debbie Reynolds. Janet DuBois was also considered.
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Money and she wanted more say in the writing once Terry Hughes left. She didn't trust the new "kids" as she put it and wanted more creative control in the series. Therefore, she surely was not going to go on with Golden Palace. It was discussed as a possibility of having Lee Grant to replace her in the role of Dorothy for Golden Palace, and not marry her off. Almost happened, never did. Plus, Estelle Getty felt it would be uncomfortable to have to try and re-create the same chemistry with a new actress.

Additionally, the idea of a fifth and new Golden Girl was spoken about to run the desk. However, the writers felt it would be too overwhelming to have 5 women. Possibility of Lucille Ball for this role was talked about but they thought it would be better to have a man in the role to compliment the women in the work world, and to show that women can work at an older age as well. Not only that, Lucille Ball did not want to be in an ensemble role which is why she turned down the role that was taken in an earlier episodes of Golden Girl by Debbie Reynolds. Janet DuBois was also considered.
At what point was Lucille Ball considered? It couldn't have been real late in the series because she died in 1989.
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At what point was Lucille Ball considered? It couldn't have been real late in the series because she died in 1989.
Sorry, not Lucille Ball. I meant Audrey Meadows.
Writers wanted a red-head and they were impressed by her recent work on Too Close for Comfort. (Not to diminish her work on The Honeymooners).
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Yup....guilty. Can't stand her, and never have.....

Dorothy, Sophia and Blanche.....

SHUT UP ROSE!!!!
Agreed...... I can't stand Rose either. She is too dumb to live. It wasn't even loveable naivety like Edith Bunker or Chrissy Snow. I liked Edith and Chrissy, but Rose..... she was mind numbingly dumb and annoying. I never would have been able to live with that pea brain.
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Rose was not dumb, she was completely na´ve (Betty explains this in interviews). At least, this is how Rose began; unfortunately, in the latter seasons, yes, the writers did dumb her down.
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Rose was not dumb, she was completely na´ve (Betty explains this in interviews). At least, this is how Rose began; unfortunately, in the latter seasons, yes, the writers did dumb her down.
Na´ve is Edith Bunker or Chrissy Snow. They were loveably na´ve and still had common sense. Rose had no common sense. She was excuciatingly dumb and annoying as hell.
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Na´ve is Edith Bunker or Chrissy Snow. They were loveably na´ve and still had common sense. Rose had no common sense. She was excuciatingly dumb and annoying as hell.
She got more "dumb" later on, but I never found her annoying. Like she states in interviews, she started out totally na´ve, and with some common sense.
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To those of you "Rose haters", let's not forget that much negative could be said about all 4 of the Golden Girls.

Dorothy was often smug and arrogant because she was intellectually superior to the other three. She threatened to put her mother in a nursing home when she would get annoyed with her.

Blanche was so obsessed with sex that it often got, well...icky.
She also made no bones about telling the other 3 that she was prettier than them. Who does that?

And Sophia, while having a seemingly stellar memory about most things, used her old stroke as an excuse to blurt out any and every insult she felt people had coming to them.

At the end of the day....they were all fictional characters, and the actresses were not responsible for what their lines were.

Personally.....I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Betty White. The fact that Rose could be a colossal airhead didn't bother me, in the context of a sit com. Unless there's something "kooky" that stands out with sit com characters, they don't make much of an impression, now do they?
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To those of you "Rose haters", let's not forget that much negative could be said about all 4 of the Golden Girls.

Dorothy was often smug and arrogant because she was intellectually superior to the other three. She threatened to put her mother in a nursing home when she would get annoyed with her.

Blanche was so obsessed with sex that it often got, well...icky.
She also made no bones about telling the other 3 that she was prettier than them. Who does that?

And Sophia, while having a seemingly stellar memory about most things, used her old stroke as an excuse to blurt out any and every insult she felt people had coming to them.

At the end of the day....they were all fictional characters, and the actresses were not responsible for what their lines were.

Personally.....I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Betty White. The fact that Rose could be a colossal airhead didn't bother me, in the context of a sit com. Unless there's something "kooky" that stands out with sit com characters, they don't make much of an impression, now do they?

Oh, and let's not forget the Dorothy forever nursed her wounds and held onto her grudges (even more than Sophia). Just once I'd have liked one of the others (such as Sophia) to have told Dorothy if her marriage to Stan was so bad from Day One as she constantly claimed, she should work towards being RELIEVED it was finally over even if Stan ended it for his own selfish reasons.

Speaking for myself, I think they simply should have ended the show when Miss Arthur said enough.
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"I think they simply should have ended the show when Miss Arthur said enough."

Ok, now I'm confused. I think they DID end the show when Bea didn't want to do it any more, right? She was on it all 7 seasons, then the show ended.... Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post?

BTW: I so agree with you that Dorothy had an obnoxious love/hate relationship with Stanley. In some episodes, she seemed to absolutely hate his guts, then next thing you knew, she was almost marrying him again.
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Rose was not dumb, she was completely na´ve (Betty explains this in interviews). At least, this is how Rose began; unfortunately, in the latter seasons, yes, the writers did dumb her down.
No, even from the start Rose was an airhead, not just naive. Look at the pilot episode.


Dorothy: Anyway, we were laughing and giggling, and I completely forgot that I was older. You know, I just felt like one of the girls. So we had a wonderful time. And then I got into my car and caught a glimpse of myself and I almost had a heart attack. This old woman was in the mirror. I didn't even recognize her.
Rose: Who was it?

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Rose: Charlie and I waited two whole years before he and I got married.
Dorothy: I got married before my father finished the sentence.
Rose: You married your father?


That's not naivete; it's stupidty.
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Money and she wanted more say in the writing once Terry Hughes left. She didn't trust the new "kids" as she put it and wanted more creative control in the series. Therefore, she surely was not going to go on with Golden Palace.
Bea appeared in two episodes of Golden Palace. Well, it was a two-parter, but they aired on separate nights, a week from each other.
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Rose was good in spurts. I thought she was funny sometimes but other times it was annoying. I dont think people dislike her because of some of the comments she made. I think, part of it, for me, anyway, was her disposition. Wasnt it Dorothy who called her Mrs. Rodgers? That would aggravate me. The fact she's always happy.
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No, even from the start Rose was an airhead, not just naive. Look at the pilot episode.


Dorothy: Anyway, we were laughing and giggling, and I completely forgot that I was older. You know, I just felt like one of the girls. So we had a wonderful time. And then I got into my car and caught a glimpse of myself and I almost had a heart attack. This old woman was in the mirror. I didn't even recognize her.
Rose: Who was it?

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Rose: Charlie and I waited two whole years before he and I got married.
Dorothy: I got married before my father finished the sentence.
Rose: You married your father?


That's not naivete; it's stupidty.
Both of those instances can be debated. After all, like Betty says, Rose took everything literally, at face value. She has been extremely na´ve her whole life.

Later in the series, unfortunately, they played her up as being "dumb". That, and sacrificing character truth for easy jokes is why I don't own seasons 5-7 on DVD; I will watch them on TV, I just don't care to own them for my own personal GG "canon".
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