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Old 06-18-2008, 10:01 AM   #121
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Awesome thread as the Wacker case always baffled me. I wonder if Mrs. Wacker (if she is still alive) lives in the same house and when/if the harassment stopped?
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Old 06-18-2008, 11:22 AM   #122
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Not really. I emailed the Sheriff's Dept. there a year or so ago asking but never got a reply.

Hey CD, I miss Walter Rice
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Old 06-18-2008, 03:05 PM   #124
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Well this is one of those cases I feel strongly about and in a million years you guys will never convince me Bill Wacker was responsible for any of it. I think sometimes people forget that we're talking about elderly people. Not to knock elderly people of course, but realize their senses (i.e. hearing, seeing) are not as keen as younger people so it would be much easier to sneak around their house leaving notes and breaking in. Elderly people are less suspicious of strangers and also tend to be more trusting than the rest of us (since the time they lived in you could be) so they're more likely to leave their house unlocked and let people in to use the phone. I think that should be a very important factor when you think about who may be responsible for these tauntings. Not to mention I really don't think Bill Wacker would have been clever enough to perpetrate all these things and not once be caught or even be in a suspicious place when it happened. Do you guys really think that Dorothy was in on it (and getting physically assaulted too as they did take her to the hospital) and do you think that Bill Wacker's wife and family would support him and participate in the segment if they had any thought in their mind that Bill was responsible? To say that Bill Wacker is guilty in my opinion goes against logic on so many levels. Once again you have to ask yourself what is the most logical reason for these happenings....someone out "for kicks" (sorry I couldn't resist that) trying to terrorize a poor elderly couple or that Bill Wacker spent decades being a loving and kind husband and then one day just decided he'd would start to terrorize and assault his wife (right after heart surgery no less) for no reason.

Amen, CD.

I just can't see this couple doing all this. Why would a man physically assault his wife of over 50 years to the point of almost death? Just to get some attention? I don't think so.

I think that it's someone close to them. Someone brought up the point that the handwriting on the graffiti was written with the opposite hand, an obvious attempt to cover up the handwriting. Someone close to them will also have their phone number when it is changed. It's sad that a family member, neighbor, or another person close enough to the Wackers to terrorize them for a decade w/o getting caught.

Hopefully, someday, this mystery is solved.
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:05 AM   #125
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Just saw this case today. I thought the intruder must've been pretty good to have left a note on the porch while the house was under surveillance. He must've noticed the van and other details that were different from other nights.

I also thought it was funny how Mr. Wacker ran to his porch with his revolver when he heard a noise. I was thinking he was going to be so paranoid that he'd shoot any random thing walking on the sidewalk.
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:40 AM   #126
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When I first watched the segment, the thought of the Wackers creating this whole thing didn't even enter my mind. But after subsequent viewings, the Wackers story just didn't add up.

If you were Mrs. Wacker, would you let someone in to your house months after your house was burglarized for the 3rd time in the span of a year? Would you let him in when he claims his car broke down, but there is absolutely no sight of the car? Wouldn't it make sense that he would go to the nearest house for a phone? Would you let the stranger in when you're alone and female? Would you turn his back on him like Mrs. Wacker did?
None of that makes any sense.

Also, during the span of an entire decade, all of the following are true.

1. No one ever sees the man.
2. No one ever hears the man.
3. No one recognizes the man when his composite sketch surfaces.
4. No one recognizes the car, or for that matter, even sees the car that allegeldy broke down the day he allegedly attacked Mrs. Wacker.

The odds are just overwhelming, here.


It sounds funny to say, but people who were born in eras gone by are on a different wavelength.

the Wacker's reminded me of my inlaws, who were born in the mid to late 20's.

Their mindset was very much different.
For one thing, they honesty believed that since they were incapable of doing terrible things, much less even thinking about them, that they assumed the rest of the world thought and felt as they did.

they didn't distinguish between those they knew and were close to and those who were strangers. To them, everyone was alike pretty much.

My mother in law would have done the same thing as Mrs. Wacker.
She often left the room when someone was on the phone, if a stranger, she would no doubt have extended the same courtesy.
She has several gold necklaces, and other valuable jewelry, which she often wears openly.

In fact, my father in law, who owned a classic car that he kept in really nice condition - liked to drive it around, even to neighborhoods that we warned him to stay out of.

When we warned them to be more careful, especially when people get killed for their things, we were told.......

"Well, we worked hard for everything we have, and we have a right to show it off if we want to!. when you work hard for something, people respect that and don't steal it"

We'd end up sitting on pins and needles whenever they went out alone.

Another time, and this freaked us all out, Dad, who'd been out driving, came in the house and told us to come outside and meet someone.
Naturally, we thought it was an old friend of his he hadn't seen in awhile.

Turns out it was a complete stranger who started following dad around while he was driving.
Well dad noticed, but since he was on his way home anyway, decided to just ask the guy what he wanted when he got there.

AAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

the guy told us he really liked dad's car and was following him to see if he'd be interested in selling it.
Dad just chuckled and said no, he liked it too much.

We made mental notes of this guy's appearance, his make and model of car, and his license plate, just in case.
But dad just laughed and seemed pleased to make a new friend.

From out perspective, this dude now had our address, saw our other cars, and pretty much got a headcount of who else lived there.

We were nervous and apprehensive, and really lit into dad afterward, but he just laughed us all off and called us scaredey cats.
He told us we were silly for locking the windows and doors that night just because that guy liked his car.

Oh yes, and they never locked their front door either.

I know that's wildly off tangent, but see what I mean?

Those of that past era also believe that intruders will be intimidated if you only just come out and get face to face with them - that if you tell someone to leave you alone, well, they just do it.
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Old 09-27-2008, 01:54 AM   #127
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Experience can cause people to change their ways.

My dad grew up in the Depression where few people had cars. So if you had one and saw somebody needing a ride, you gave them one. He was always in the habit of picking up hitchhikers until two guys he picked up started giving each other the eye as if to wonder when to jump him. Dad then proceeded to drive so wildly they begged to get out of the car! Always after that, he told us not to hitchhike ourselves, or to pick up hitchhikers--advice I almost always follow.
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:40 PM   #128
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Does anyone know if this case is still available online or not? I know direct links are not allowed, so if someone could please message me.

The UM website is being updated so it's no longer there. If anyone can accommodate me, I hold a civilian position in a federally run law enforcement agency, and I can try to use my pull in that regards to find out whatever happened with this case. If I receive permission, I'll post my findings.

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Old 10-10-2008, 02:06 PM   #129
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Old 11-22-2008, 05:01 PM   #130
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This has always been a personal favorite segment of mine...but unfortunately it's not on any of the DVD's that have been released nor is the segment available online. Wish there was a way to see it...if anyone knows I'd appreciate it.

But I don't think it's possible that the Wackers could have been doing that to themselves. When Dorothy smiles, I think that was her way of smiling at Bill just being Bill. Just telling people how he feels and making no bones about it...that's the impression I got from her smile. Now there is no evidence that this person exists other than the word of the Wackers, but if you take a look at the other side of the coin I think it's highly unlikely that the Wackers would be seeking attention, the only thing to gain from publicity is money and I don't think they sought any monetary consumption for their claims. Plus if Bill Wacker wanted to harass his wife, why didn't he just have her killed? Wouldn't it be cheaper to hire someone to kill her instead of paying the same guy for over ten years to continually harass her?!!? That just doesn't make sense. And then there's the children...why on Earth would any child do this to their parents? I doubt the Wackers were well off to where they had loads of money that would be distributed in the event of their deaths, but if the kids wanted money, again why not just pay someone to kill them? The only two possible scenarios are that this guy is a complete stranger (unlikely, considering the harassment has been going on for ten years), or it's someone that the Wackers know. I think it was someone they knew, but not necessarily related to them. Maybe it was a neighbor who wanted the Wackers off their property for whatever reason and they started ramsacking the house. Or perhaps Bill Wacker was right when he said it was just "a kook". Or maybe a cook.
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Old 11-22-2008, 09:05 PM   #131
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Every time I watch this segment, the more I believe Bill Wacker staged the entire thing, with the help of some third party.

wiseguy182 has already brought up the "meat" of the evidence---no one sees the assailant, no one recognizes his vehicle, he always manages to "slip away" just when everyone thinks he's about to be caught. Although I've certainly seen individual tenacity, I find Mr. Wacker's chutzpah towards this alleged unknown harasser to be extremely suspect. If a brilliantly elusive individual was able to not only ransack the Wacker home multiple times, attack Mrs. Wacker, and manage to never once be identified, I personally find it hard to believe anyone---no matter how "ballsy"---would be as brazen as Bill Wacker seemed to be after a decade of these incidents. Especially regarding his wife's attack---why would he want to risk his wife being harmed (possibly fatally) again? The reluctance to involve police also sends up huge red flags to me.

If it is true that Mr. Wacker did in fact stage the harassments, I cannot readily come up with any clear reason why he would do it----although I can certainly see why he didn't simply have Mrs. Wacker killed as TheCars1986 mentioned, if that was what he eventually planned to do. It would be far too abrupt and suspect to have her murdered by a hitman. By fabricating a situation like Mr. Wacker hypothetically did, he could not only turn the blame from himself (as would be typically suspected in such a tight-knit, rural area), he could also garner the sympathy of the community, furthering hoo-dooing them into believing the unknown assailant was the culprit.

Simply put, there's far too much evidence to me to suggest that this isn't the work of a cruel predator at all. Regardless of the fact that the Wackers are part of a different generation or that their senses and reflexes are diminished, the odds are just too slim.
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I think it is safe to say that a total stranger did not do this. I mean really what would be the motive for a stranger to continue harassing this elderly couple for 10 years??? I see none.
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In the same respect, I find it absurd that Bill Wacker would have staged everything. Like I said, the odds of this being some unknown assailant is astronomical. The odds are that this is someone who knew the Wackers and wanted them off of their property. Now the kids could have their own motives, but I just don't see why you would hire someone to terrorize your parents into moving into YOUR house so you could sieze their financial assets...it just doesn't make any sense. Nor do I think Wacker would have kept writing notes, ransacking his OWN house and posessions and then hiring someone to attack his wife on two different occassions. What would Wacker have to gain from doing this? Why would he go out and waste money on security lights if he were the one staging the entire ordeal? Now if there was some sort of large life insurance policy on Dorothy, then yeah Bill would be the prime suspect in my opinion. I just don't understand what would possess a human who was married to a woman for thirty some years to just out of the blue either randomly start to terrorize the holy hell out of her or hire someone to do it for him. There is no logical motive therefore I highly doubt he had anything to do with it.

Now a previous poster mentioned the lexicon the assailant used when scrawling his cryptic messages. "Your lights are a laugh" was one of the messages and I agree that the use of the word "laugh" implies an older person. Which is why i think it was someone in the vicinity of the Wackers. I really think a neighbor or someone who had a stock in their property for whatever reason would be responsible for this. Perhaps the Wackers were too naiive and they believed they didn't have any enemies...when in fact someone really hated them so much that they would constantly keep doing this to them. I also think the incidents were inflated a LOT when they were aired on UM. They happened over a span of ten years, and there were probably only a handful of incidents (I'm pretty sure there were only 4-6 notes actually left, probably a dozen phone calls, the two attacks on Dorothy, etc.) so therefore it's safe to assume that the Wackers were only getting an incident maybe once a year or even two years. But the bizarre notes and the attacks on Dorothy kind of took that time frame away from the viewer, IMO. So this wasn't an everyday or even every month occurrence for the Wackers. It was just an out of the blue thing that happened every once in awhile. Which leds credibility to the fact that Bill Wacker, if he indeed had a motive against his wife, wouldn't have dragged the ordeal on so long and he would have gotten done what he wanted. Maybe it was some drunkard who got his kicks everytime he got plastered. There are plenty of "kooks" in this world, I just don't think Bill Wacker was one of them.
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Now if there was some sort of large life insurance policy on Dorothy, then yeah Bill would be the prime suspect in my opinion. I just don't understand what would possess a human who was married to a woman for thirty some years to just out of the blue either randomly start to terrorize the holy hell out of her or hire someone to do it for him. There is no logical motive therefore I highly doubt he had anything to do with it.

Actually, that's exactly what I was thinking of when I came to my conclusion: a life insurance policy.

The prospect of an individual taking out a life insurance policy on someone they've been married to for years isn't so outrageous to me---especially after watching so much UM! The Wackers were retired, and more than likely not pulling in the income they once did. No Dorothy = a comfortable sum of money and a wife not there to share any of it. I certainly do not know the state of the Wackers' marriage or their financial condition at the time; I'm merely speculating. What I do firmly believe, however, is that the Wackers' story doesn't quite add up. Something's going on there.
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I'm sure law enforcement would have known about a large life insurance policy and they most likely would have stated that on the UM segment. Sure this case is probably the most bizarre to ever air on UM, and I'm pretty sure it's going to remain unsolved forever. It is fun to speculate about what happened and who was responsible.

Didn't Dorothy give a composite of the man who attacked her when he claimed his car was broke down? And didn't the man leave a cryptic message both times after he attacked her? I haven't seen the segment in a couple of years so my memory is a little fuzzy.
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