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Old 04-26-2007, 12:41 AM   #61
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Well here goes Thissuat with another of his crackpot theories. I mean if you ask him anyone ever convicted of a crime is guilty. As we can see by that theory it is bogus and frankly a bunch of crap.

Why is it so unbelievable to you that the Wackers were terrorized? I do not get this and never have why you view this as so impossible?

I do admit it is possible that either one or both of the Wackers are involved. However for a person to sustain skull fractures just for "kicks" is pretty sick and frankly unlikely for a person to go that far for an obsession just to draw attention to themselves.
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Old 04-26-2007, 12:56 AM   #62
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This message really doesn't deserve a reply, but I'll bite anyway.

If you want to call me a "crackpot" or more fittingly in this case a "kook," then you must call a good number of people on this board the same. There seem to be a good number of people who have posted on this case that agree with me. Further, the police in the segment seemed, ummm, a bit skeptical of the whole story themselves.

I do admit it is "possible" that the Wackers were being terroized by an unknown assailant, it's just that I find it less likely than the scenario I present. You admitted in your post that my theory was possible. So we can mutually agree that they are both plausible. I have my opinion on which is most likely and you have yours.

If you want to attack any argument I make, attack it on its merit alone; that is, attack it point by point and please refrain from attacking me with ad hominems. Doing this just makes you look like you have some personal vendetta, and thus you lose credibility (at least with me).
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Old 04-26-2007, 01:15 AM   #63
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It isnt anything personal at all, for you to imply it is, is outrageous to say the least. However I am attacking your particular opinion and I did that on the merits or so I think. However it is not personal and I want to make that clear right now. You know what you are talking about, even if I dont agree with it and I do respect you for that.
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Old 04-26-2007, 02:12 AM   #64
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Fair enough, kadr. I just didn't see any attack on my argument, I just saw you calling me a "crackpot" and suggesting that most of my opinions are "crackpot theories." Sorry if I misconstrued the meaning of your post.

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Old 06-01-2007, 02:09 AM   #65
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sorry again for bringing up this much talked about case, but I just thought of something else that throws just a tad more suspicion on Bill Wacker.

Notice how all of the incidents occur during the daytime, when Bill is awake? It would seem to me that if some unknown person were doing these things, they would do them at night when the risk of getting caught goes way down.
The perpretators would have the advantage of darkness, plus a head start as it would take time for the Wackers (not to mention any neighbors) to wake up.

Unless this is just the most brazen criminal ever on UM.
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Old 06-01-2007, 04:29 AM   #66
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Well some of the incidents did occur at night. Dorothy was attacked once at night, Bill was home supposedly in the living room. Unless of course he was the one that attacked Dorothy.

But I dont think he did. I dont know, it is just for some reason I just dont believe Bill did that to his wife. I also cannot believe that those two were both in on it together as part of some scheme to draw attention to themselves with no monetary gain involved. I mean someone isnt going to take skull lacerations and beatings for that, especially not an elderly woman like that just for the fun of it.

With the attack during the day and the vandalism during the day it always occured when Bill wasnt home and the vandalism's occured when Dorothy and Bill were both gone. This honestly is just the most bizarre case or certainly one of the most bizarre I have ever seen and I have no idea what to think of it, there are certainly so many questions here and no answers.
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Old 06-01-2007, 11:27 AM   #67
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What about the time that they stayed in the camper? I can't remember if Bill was the only one in the camper but if so his two relatives were in a car close by watching the front of the house. How could Bill have gotten past them to throw that rock on the porch when that was precisely the area they were watching? Remember we're talking about an elderly man not some young guy who could easily run away.
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Old 06-01-2007, 07:01 PM   #68
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Crystal,

I think that this very fact that the surveillance didn't work doesn't help the Wackers, but rather makes their story sound even more unbelievable. How can a person walk through all that surveillance (at least 3 people with radios) and a security light without being seen? The house is maybe 20-30 ft. from the street and it appears well lit. I can think of three scenarios:

1. The Wacker surveillance was shoddy and all of them fell asleep or were drunk.
2. The person who did it was the superhero named "Hollow Man."
3. The Wackers made the whole scenario of surveillance up (just like they made up the rest of the story).

#3 seems to be the simplest explanation.

Stranger things have happened perhaps, but I see no reason to believe anything was going on at that house other than a con game. It has been a while since I have seen this segment, but I don't think the injuries were too severe (though it seems I remember a fracture of some sort). At any rate, Mrs. Wacker was never hurt too severely in all the times she was attacked. It wouldn't be too difficult to fake such injuries. I don't recall her ever being in an ICU or having extended stays at the hospital (though I admit a memory lapse here). There are people out there who fake injuries (or other illnesses) and this phenomenon is known to the medical community as "Munchausen Syndrome." It is a documented disorder and is not unheard of.

I have no way of knowing if she faked the injuries or not, but the evidence presented by UM leads me in that direction. Either that or someone she knew did this to her and she didn't want to incriminate them. The latter possibility is perhaps even more chilling than an unknown perpetrator.

Thanks for reviving the infamous Wacker thread, Cyrstal!

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How does a person fake skull lacerations? I dont think she faked her injuries at all. I mean come on Thissuat, you arent serious with that theory? I think it sounds a little absurd. I mean I could accept the theory that you think Bill was inflicting the injuries on his wife or paying someone else off to inflict the injuries. But to suggest Dorothy faked her own injuries? I mean she had skull lacerations or fractures and broken ribs I believe as well. How do you fake that?
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wiseguy,

All apologies. I hope my knee caps will remain intact. If not, at least please refrain from having your soldiers "wack" me. (pun was intended).

Kard,

Everything I have seen leads me to believe that this was either faked or Mrs. Wacker knows the perp and is afraid of talking. Sorry, but I see nothing based on the segment that points towards anything else. No witnesses ever saw anything in all the years (even though the physical attacks took place in daylight). No fingerprints, no forensics--nothing but a story from the Wackers. Interestingly, the "family members" whom supposedly helped the Wackers pull the sluething act did not appear on camera for the segment. I wonder why?

If some unknown man was really doing this to them, then this man must have lived across the street. How else could anyone monitor that house 24/7? How could an alleged criminal know when Bill was away so that he could attack Mrs. Wacker, know when both of them were away so he could steal items only to bring them back later, know what time to knock on the window, know when to leave written messages etc.? It would be next to impossible unless someone had a vantage point where they could watch the house for most of the day. I assume no neighbors fit the description of the alleged attacker, so I find the whole scenario absurd.

Self-inflicted injury sounds insane to the sane, but it can and does happen. As I said, it is perhaps more likely that Bill (or someone else she knew) did this to her, but either way the scenario of a crazed prankster is just a fairy tale in my opinion.

If there is ever testimony put forth that a John Doe harbored an old grudge against the Wackers and this John Doe was an ex-con, then I might entertain the possibility that this John Doe was really stealthy and a great prankster with a violent streak. If there is ever a witness who comes forward and says "Hey, I saw a guy running from the Wacker's house on the day one of the attacks happened," then I might listen. I am sure the police checked out such possibilities, and, after looking at all the evidence (and they certainly know more than any of us), the police seem just as convinced that it was a hoax (or at least they gave a strong impression of that).
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Old 06-02-2007, 05:30 PM   #71
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Do we really need to go over this one yet again!?
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Yes, we do need to go over it again. This is not the last time it will come up.
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:13 AM   #73
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Do we really need to go over this one yet again!?

I only kept bringing it up as I kept thinking of new ideas to mention. I really don't like repeating stuff, and I tried to avoid it as much as possible, but it is necessary in some cases like if somebody asks a question.

I consider this to be one of the all-time classic UM cases. On one hand, it's hard to believe Bill Wacker would have anything to do with this as he had been married to Dorothy for 50 years and they were living a relatively quiet existence. But on the other hand, there are a number of things that the Wackers say or do that just don't add up. Dorothy's smirk for example. Plus, I gotta wonder how an alleged perpretrator could harass them daily for 10 years and get away with it.

I do have a hard time believing that Dorothy attacked herself though. In one instance, she was tied up. Very difficult for someone that age to tie themselves up like that.

I think I may have touched upon this in a post of mine awhile back, but didn't get very far into it: I do have a problem with something Bill says at the start of the segment. He says "Why should I move, why should we move?" Goodness, they're harassed daily for 10 years, yet he says they have absolutely no reason to move? Doesn't add up, IMO.

This sketch of the supposed intruder is very plain looking, which leads me to believe it would be very difficult to find him. Nothing distinctive looking about him at all. a lot like Tom Johnson in that regard.
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Well this is one of those cases I feel strongly about and in a million years you guys will never convince me Bill Wacker was responsible for any of it. I think sometimes people forget that we're talking about elderly people. Not to knock elderly people of course, but realize their senses (i.e. hearing, seeing) are not as keen as younger people so it would be much easier to sneak around their house leaving notes and breaking in. Elderly people are less suspicious of strangers and also tend to be more trusting than the rest of us (since the time they lived in you could be) so they're more likely to leave their house unlocked and let people in to use the phone. I think that should be a very important factor when you think about who may be responsible for these tauntings. Not to mention I really don't think Bill Wacker would have been clever enough to perpetrate all these things and not once be caught or even be in a suspicious place when it happened. Do you guys really think that Dorothy was in on it (and getting physically assaulted too as they did take her to the hospital) and do you think that Bill Wacker's wife and family would support him and participate in the segment if they had any thought in their mind that Bill was responsible? To say that Bill Wacker is guilty in my opinion goes against logic on so many levels. Once again you have to ask yourself what is the most logical reason for these happenings....someone out "for kicks" (sorry I couldn't resist that) trying to terrorize a poor elderly couple or that Bill Wacker spent decades being a loving and kind husband and then one day just decided he'd would start to terrorize and assault his wife (right after heart surgery no less) for no reason.
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Bill Wacker had nothing to do with it. He is a victim.

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