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Old 05-11-2006, 12:16 PM   #16
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Good to see this thread up and running again.

Anyhoo, I still can't get over the clever escape the stalker made when all the family members were watching the house, knocking on the door and fleeing without being seen. Maybe it was Sam Fisher from "Splinter Cell". He's known to lurk in the shadows and move undetected.

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This case was on today. This is one of the more bizarre cases I have seen on UM. This seemingly lovely elderly couple is assaulted, harassed and tormented for over ten years by an unknown person. Looking in the re-enactment at how they staked out their own house there was a blind spot there. It wasnt a big one but I can see how the guy could get in there and get out without being seen. I did consider that Bill Wacker was some how involved. Either he did it himself or he hired someone to do it. But what would his motive be? I think this is why he was eliminated as a suspect. They couldnt find a motive for him to do it. It is curious how no neighbors or anyone else saw anything. I do think it is likely the Wackers knew this guy or knew someone that knew the guy. Whomever it was sounds like they have some mental issues, but they arent stupid. They got away with it for so long. But whoever it was would steal stuff and then return it. That is what is strange. The notes in crayon. Why would the Wackers be targeted? That is what I cant figure out. Bill Wacker died in 1999 but apperantly Dorothy is still alive.
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Old 06-14-2006, 08:35 PM   #18
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I'm so excited this case was on today! I've waited my whole life to see this segment and finally I get the chance to! I have it recorded on my VCR and I will watch it later tonight. This is great news!
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I'm so excited this case was on today! I've waited my whole life to see this segment and finally I get the chance to! I have it recorded on my VCR and I will watch it later tonight. This is great news!
I'm glad you'll finally get to see it Mr. Fuji.

You know a good portion of posters (like I) feel that Bill and Dorothy Wacker were both victims and a few have indicated they think Bill Wacker is guilty. A plausible scenario in my opinion is that the harasser could have been one of their neighbors. Of course its not known what type of motive they would have had but that makes as much sense as anything else. That would explain why the perpetrator would be able to sneak in and out in a blind spot as he would be very familiar with the area and probably knew ahead the night the Wacker's and their family were sitting in the driveway. That would also explain why none of the neighbors reported seeing anyone suspicious in the area, no one would have thought twice about seeing a neighbor walking near the Wacker home.
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Well I just dont think Bill Wacker did this nor had anything to do with this. What I think is an interesting possiblity is this. You know how when the assaults on Dorothy always happened when Bill wasnt around? I think the person that did this knew Bill wasnt going to be around and attacked Dorothy at these times to make it look like Bill did it or to make it look curious that they happened when Bill wasnt there. I think it was someone that the Wackers knew but didnt suspect. It seemed in hearing the Wackers talk that they didnt suspect it was someone they knew. I think that was a good point on crystaldawns part that it very well could be a neighbor. Why this neighbor would have such a deep seeded hatred of the Wackers I have no idea.
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What I find so odd about this case is whoever was doing this was able to torment this couple for 10 years & noone ever saw a thing. That just seems really fishy to me.
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I can honestly say I'm torn on this. I'm a little inclined to agree with AKook (I finally got the joke about that name) who is sure that Bill is guilty. But the question of motive keeps coming up and I just can't find a motive for Bill to do it. It just seems so implausible that someone else could do all of that stuff without ever getting caught, plus the fact that he returned all of that stuff. That seems like a likely story; possibly Bill waited a while and realized he wanted the stuff back so he invented some story about finding it on his porch.

Here's another one of my theories: Unsolved Mysteries made the whole damn thing up as a ratings ploy. Maybe this case is just too darn weird to actually be true.
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This campares to the Cindy James case. If it was just some Kook, then the suspect, whoever it was, would have had to be pretty 'good' at what they were doing, not to be found out. Likewise the Cindy James case. I don't believe Bill Wacker could've been staging it. Why start after being married forty-some years and living together all that time? Like Bill Wacker said, "What it comes down to is that he gets his kicks out of this. A Kook."

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The Wacker story came on Lifetime again yesterday (or maybe the day before, it is on my TIVO). This case is quite simple.

When Bill Wacker was sitting at the table being interviewed on the segment, his wife was sitting quietly beside him. When Bill said something to the effect of "why should we be scared or move away from here" I noticed his wife was smirking, very subtly, but noticeably if you watch it back. Of course, she could be smirking at his histrionic behavior and his laughable (no pun intended) usage of the now infamous word "kook," but I took it more as a smug smirk, like "hey we are fooling all of you imbeciles and having a hoot doing it." As a result of this and the fact that no one has ever been caught, seen, heard, smelled, sensed via ESP or remote viewing, I feel that the only alternative is that Bill AND Dorothy are in this as a publicity stunt. This would explain the fact no one has ever been seen, it would explain the skepticism of the neighbors, and it would explain why supposedly "stolen" items were returned. Returned items are very convenient if they were not stolen in the first place.

As for those who think Bill was in on it solo, this seems doubtful since it would imply that his wife really was attacked, tied up, beaten etc... Why would she stay complacent in this when she knows obviously who the culprit is?
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...and to think it all started from letting a stranger inside to use the telephone...let that be a lesson to everyone. the whole thing kinda reeks of a hoax. either by the Wackers themselves-or at the very least the producers
of UM used a little creative license to concoct a story that may be
only partially based on real events. I just dont think the Wackers got the police involved enough.
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Well this case is truly bizarre as I said. Ohio seems to be a place where a lot of strange and scary things happen. Similar to Washington state in that regard. I dont know what it is. I dont think the Wackers made this up. I mean you guys base that they made up based on the fact that Dorothy smirked a little during the statement. The police and paramedics were called. Remember it said Dorothy was put in the hospital with skull lacerations. Clearly someone assaulted her unless you are suggesting she assaulted herself. Basically, I dont understand why at their ages, they looked like they were in their late 60's, early 70's at least. Why would they all of a sudden have this sudden need for publicity? Why after almost 50 years of marriage would Bill just decide to start attacking his wife? It doesnt add up that they would just start doing this one day.
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The man who was the sheriff of Stark County at the time of the Wacker segment on UM, Bruce Umpleby died in office in August of 1999. If you want to contact the sheriff or the sheriff's office for more information. The Sheriff currently is Timothy Swanson and he served on the sheriff's department during the whole time the Wacker thing was going on. Here is a site with more info on him it even surprisingly has his home address.

http://www.starkdemocrats.com/bio.ph...thy+A.+Swanson
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I just cant see the husband doing that to his wife. I mean why would he do that.
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The Wacker story came on Lifetime again yesterday (or maybe the day before, it is on my TIVO). This case is quite simple.

When Bill Wacker was sitting at the table being interviewed on the segment, his wife was sitting quietly beside him. When Bill said something to the effect of "why should we be scared or move away from here" I noticed his wife was smirking, very subtly, but noticeably if you watch it back. Of course, she could be smirking at his histrionic behavior and his laughable (no pun intended) usage of the now infamous word "kook," but I took it more as a smug smirk, like "hey we are fooling all of you imbeciles and having a hoot doing it." As a result of this and the fact that no one has ever been caught, seen, heard, smelled, sensed via ESP or remote viewing, I feel that the only alternative is that Bill AND Dorothy are in this as a publicity stunt. This would explain the fact no one has ever been seen, it would explain the skepticism of the neighbors, and it would explain why supposedly "stolen" items were returned. Returned items are very convenient if they were not stolen in the first place.

As for those who think Bill was in on it solo, this seems doubtful since it would imply that his wife really was attacked, tied up, beaten etc... Why would she stay complacent in this when she knows obviously who the culprit is?
Excellent observations. I too noticed Dorothy's little smirk when I watched it yesterday. Also, the cop mentioning that he has never seen a case where a gun was returned to the scene of the crime. That simply never happens.

I live only a few blocks from the Wackers, and if you had a chance to see that neighborhood, you'd see how difficult it would be for strangers to just waltz in and terrorize people with impunity.

I'm more convinced than ever it was an inside job.

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Well I just cant believe the Wackers did that or knew who did it. Do you think it could have been a relative of theirs? What do you know about the Wackers? I am assuming you met them. Bill passed away in 1999 but I am assuming Dorothy is still alive because I couldnt find anything on her. I am assuming it is a small town they lived in. Did they eventually move?
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