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Old 11-13-2018, 09:13 PM   #1
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Question Unsolved Mysteries Cases That Still Perplex You?

Which cases bugged you the most because something about someone just gave you an off vibe about them?
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Norman Ladner. Something about his mom has never set right with me, and I think this was another case of parents grasping at straws wanting to believe that there son was murdered instead of committing suicide. I still think his death was accidental.
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Norman Ladner. Something about his mom has never set right with me, and I think this was another case of parents grasping at straws wanting to believe that there son was murdered instead of committing suicide. I still think his death was accidental.
I was just going to post this and you beat me to it. I feel immense sympathy for the Ladners, but I don't think this was a murder. His mother says something very telling (I'm paraphrasing):

"We were distraught, but we accepted that our son died accidentally. Then they came back and said it was suicide. Well, we knew it wasn't suicide. As a matter of fact, it wasn't an accident either."(emphasis mine)

So, if I'm understanding her correctly, the idea that Norman could have been murdered wasn't even on the table until the word "suicide" came into the mix. I think the detective at the end of the segment was on the money when he stated that if the ruling had remained accidental death, the Ladners would have continued to accept it without much question.

And I'm really starting to believe that the "threat" in the coroner's office to stop investigating never really happened. Notice how we only have Mrs. Ladner's word that it happened. Her husband was apparently there at the time. Did he not see someone pull his wife to one side to talk? Did anyone else see this exchange take place? Wouldn't someone in the coroner's office know who this person was? It just seems like an embellishment added after the fact.
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Feel the same way about Anton Kline in the Crystal Spencer segment. I've always got the gut feeling that they weren't as close as he led the segment to believe.
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Feel the same way about Anton Kline in the Crystal Spencer segment. I've always got the gut feeling that they weren't as close as he led the segment to believe.
that's a good point. I would not have thought of him...I agree.

EDIT: sara joe segment. It always creeps me out when I watch for many reasons, but it is strange that the guy who was searching for the boat initially ends up finding it. I know it is a coincidence, but I always find it strange to hear for the father say "i have not talked to him in the meantime"
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Bonnie Haim's father. I could see him possibly being in denial about his daughter being murdered, but did anyone else get a vibe of smugness from him?
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I was just going to post this and you beat me to it. I feel immense sympathy for the Ladners, but I don't think this was a murder. His mother says something very telling (I'm paraphrasing):

"We were distraught, but we accepted that our son died accidentally. Then they came back and said it was suicide. Well, we knew it wasn't suicide. As a matter of fact, it wasn't an accident either."(emphasis mine)

So, if I'm understanding her correctly, the idea that Norman could have been murdered wasn't even on the table until the word "suicide" came into the mix. I think the detective at the end of the segment was on the money when he stated that if the ruling had remained accidental death, the Ladners would have continued to accept it without much question.

And I'm really starting to believe that the "threat" in the coroner's office to stop investigating never really happened. Notice how we only have Mrs. Ladner's word that it happened. Her husband was apparently there at the time. Did he not see someone pull his wife to one side to talk? Did anyone else see this exchange take place? Wouldn't someone in the coroner's office know who this person was? It just seems like an embellishment added after the fact.
I put her in the same class as... Who's the missing kid from Des Moines.. Johnny Gosch. Ever see some of the things his mother said? She's off her rocker. I understand how she got off her rocker, and I don't particularly hold it against her.. But it's important to understand when listening to something she's said that she has, indeed, lost her mind when it comes to her son.

There's this.. Refusal to believe and/or accept what happened. Now, I don't deny that this case was pretty screwed up. Looks like some bad detective work from the police and not covering all the loose ends. But.. The person at the coroners office could have simply said "Hey, if this was drug related as you're suspecting, if you keep pushing it could cause you problems down the road".. Which is far, far different from someone saying "Stop looking into this or you're going to die"

But, these parents/family members who have basically been broken.. They hear what they choose to hear, not necessarily what was actually said.
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I put her in the same class as... Who's the missing kid from Des Moines.. Johnny Gosch. Ever see some of the things his mother said? She's off her rocker. I understand how she got off her rocker, and I don't particularly hold it against her.. But it's important to understand when listening to something she's said that she has, indeed, lost her mind when it comes to her son.

There's this.. Refusal to believe and/or accept what happened. Now, I don't deny that this case was pretty screwed up. Looks like some bad detective work from the police and not covering all the loose ends. But.. The person at the coroners office could have simply said "Hey, if this was drug related as you're suspecting, if you keep pushing it could cause you problems down the road".. Which is far, far different from someone saying "Stop looking into this or you're going to die"

But, these parents/family members who have basically been broken.. They hear what they choose to hear, not necessarily what was actually said.
I never noticed the similarities between Charlette Ladner and Noreen Gosch, but you have a point. Noreen seems to have taken things MUCH farther than Charlette, IMO.

I don't know where I heard this (perhaps I imagined it; who knows), but I believe the Gosch family tried to get Johnny's case profiled on UM but were turned down. If this is true, I can't help but feel that Noreen's outlandish claims (if she was making them at the time) was what put them off.

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Amy Billig. It's just a case I can't wrap my head around, even after applying Occam's Razor. It's so bizarre. I go back and forth on whether or not bikers had anything to do with it at all. Or if her mother was just unlucky and got financially exploited over and over again by these jerks. Either way, it's weird nothing ever turned up and every lead ended up being a wild goose chase.
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Bonnie Haim's father. I could see him possibly being in denial about his daughter being murdered, but did anyone else get a vibe of smugness from him?
I don't know if it was as much smugness as it was....cluelessness?

I get being in denial. But when Michael's own family members (except for his parents) are convinced from the very start that Michael killed her and did away with her, something should click inside. Instead, his attitude was like, "Oh, that silly Bonnie, she'll probably be back in a week or two." I guess all people deal with denial differently. But this still felt kind of bizarre.

On a side note, I wish this trial would get going already. It's been postponed again and again and again. The judge let that killer Michael go live with his second wife in North Carolina while his trial gets delayed endlessly. I want him behind bars!!! And I'm also curious to know how his legal team plans on explaining Bonnie's remains ending up his own backyard.

Some random stranger happened across Bonnie, killed her and brought her back to her own house and buried her in the yard all the while her husband was inside the house.....because that totally happens all the time.
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