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Old 07-26-2018, 09:39 PM   #46
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Didn't they also find the remains of what appeared to be her shoes at Gardner (heels in particular), or am I confusing the discovery with someplace else?
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Didn't they also find the remains of what appeared to be her shoes at Gardner (heels in particular), or am I confusing the discovery with someplace else?
On the island of Nikumaroru.

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Didn't they also find the remains of what appeared to be her shoes at Gardner (heels in particular), or am I confusing the discovery with someplace else?
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Gardner Island and Nikumaroro are the same place. It's just a hell of a lot easier to type Gardner.

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I think its pretty evident that Earhart died stranded on Gardner Island.

The fact that they find HUMAN bones on a deserted island that NOBODY had been known to really go to, and an island that was the ONLY nearby spot to where she likely went down should lead any reasonable person to believe it was likely her or Noonan's bones. The updated forensic analysis suggests those bones did belong to a woman, and that the height and skull size match those of Amelia. So just those things considered, what are the chances that those bones are someone elses? Very slim.

As the article suggests, there is a possibility the plane was still close to the island or maybe even hit the shores and was taking on water until the point at which the radio finally couldn't function anymore.

IMHO the latest findings really kinda seal the case for her demise being at Gardner Island and not being some prisoner of the Japanese.
Here's the problem with this theory. well, before I get into the scientific problems.. TIGHAR is my big problem with this theory. I'm not a fan of that organization and their sensationalizing. Putting out news releases that the mystery has been solved and the like.

But.. Outside of that. There's about 400 miles between Nikumaroro and Howland Island. Her last radio transmission put her very close to Howland, at least, the signal was very strong.

One of her last transmissions stated she was flying Northwest and was very low on fuel. Based on where she thought she was, and assuming that she was in the general vicinity of Howland.. She would have had to have another 2 hours of fuel to get to Gardner. Impossible? No. In fact, I think this is the second strongest theory.. Right behind crashed into the middle of the ocean.

The bad part.. The skeleton recovered in the 40's from Gardner that was said to be a man, but then reinterpreted to possibly be a woman, has been lost. If that hadn't happened, the Gardner theory would likely have been able to be confirmed or shot down by now.

Some reasons to not believe this theory, other than the fact that it would have been a stretch to make it on fuel (though perhaps not impossible).. Her husband and the Navy searched Gardner separately shortly after she went missing. One of the aluminum panels they found, thought to come from Earhart's plane, matches a C47B aircraft (NOT Earhart's Electra) and a C47B crashed in the Phoenix chain in the 40's.

Other items found there are a womans heel, the proper size for Earhart. A sextant, which would be something without question salvaged from the plane. A container of freckle cream that Earhart was known to use. A piece of plexiglass with the same curvature as an Electra window. The bones being re-interpreted (based on notes) to belong to a woman about Earhart's height. There are a number of reports of her transmitting after being lost, which could only be done on dry land.


Again, I say Gardner is the best theory outside of 'crash and sink'..

the good news.. While the aircraft would have disintegrated years ago.. The engine should survive quite some time. So, in theory, that should be somewhere off the coast of this island.
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Shouldn't Josh Gates get on this?
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There is one thing I have become curious about after rewatching the Amelia Earhart segment. If she and Fred Noonan had decided to reverse their route (go across the Pacific first, then Asia, Europe, then the Atlantic), hence getting the most difficult leg of the journey complete first, is there a greater possibility they would have successfully completed their circumnavigation?
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There is one thing I have become curious about after rewatching the Amelia Earhart segment. If she and Fred Noonan had decided to reverse their route (go across the Pacific first, then Asia, Europe, then the Atlantic), hence getting the most difficult leg of the journey complete first, is there a greater possibility they would have successfully completed their circumnavigation?
Actually, the trip that Amelia and Noonan disappeared on was their second attempt. On their first attempt, they did have a westward flight plan. But they only got as far as Hawaii before they received damage to the plane in takeoff that required them to cancel that trip. By the time they did it the second time, the weather patterns had changed and going east was the optimal route. Interesting to consider whether it would have mattered. Westward trips are usually significantly harder because of the impacts of going against the jet stream. With a primitive plane crossing the pacific going west could take hours (maybe even days, Iím not knowledgeable enough on the physics of the plane to know for certain) than going east. So while it may be getting the hardest part out of the way first, it would have been significantly harder and more treacherous doing it that way
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^ Tend to agree. When I read the question and had not yet seen the response, the impacts of going against the wind on a western trajectory were the first thing I thought of. I can't imagine flying in a southwesterly direction from California to Hawaii and then down toward Australia would be any easier; in fact, it might be even more difficult than a straight west path.
As a general point, though, I am inclined to agree that once that part was out of the way, everything else would have been much easier, especially a hop across the Atlantic at the end, whether in the northern hemisphere or southern.
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Actually, the trip that Amelia and Noonan disappeared on was their second attempt. On their first attempt, they did have a westward flight plan. But they only got as far as Hawaii before they received damage to the plane in takeoff that required them to cancel that trip. By the time they did it the second time, the weather patterns had changed and going east was the optimal route. Interesting to consider whether it would have mattered. Westward trips are usually significantly harder because of the impacts of going against the jet stream. With a primitive plane crossing the pacific going west could take hours (maybe even days, Iím not knowledgeable enough on the physics of the plane to know for certain) than going east. So while it may be getting the hardest part out of the way first, it would have been significantly harder and more treacherous doing it that way

There's also this.. Earhart wasn't the greatest pilot.. Your mention of the first attempt, it's contested as to whether that crash was caused by a blown tire or pilot error. She's looked at through rose colored glasses now. Or, perhaps she wasn't as bad a pilot in those times as she'd be considered today.

And Noonan wasn't a top of the line navigator, either and as I recall reading, was a bit of a drunk.

The above are the two reasons that I say they were not sent on a spying mission by the government, which is a part of a couple of theories as to their disappearance.
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