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Old 06-19-2017, 06:57 PM   #46
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I had not heard of that detail about the underwear, Cori. Could you point me towards a link? For the record, while I do want something more solid than "He's weird" to serve as evidence, I am totally on Team Someone in the Family Did It. Too many coincidences with that letter and everything else.
It's on a number of true crime forums and seems to have originated here: http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...ear-Old/page16
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My original suspicion was that the killer was Jon Ramsey's oldest son who was college age at the time and it was some twisted revenge motive towards the parents. So many years later, who knows? I don't think Burke did it. If you accuse everyone in the world who has poor social skills and looks "weird" on camera, you might as well throw nearly everyone in jail.
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My original suspicion was that the killer was Jon Ramsey's oldest son who was college age at the time and it was some twisted revenge motive towards the parents. So many years later, who knows? I don't think Burke did it. If you accuse everyone in the world who has poor social skills and looks "weird" on camera, you might as well throw nearly everyone in jail.
Do all of these other weird people **** in their sisters bed?
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In recent years, both the sexual assault and intruder DNA have been largely discredited. Many of the experts no longer think she had been assaulted that night or earlier. Also, the DNA may have come from anywhere and there is no single sample that is from the likely murderer.

So then we have to ask what was the motive... Thrill killing? Revenge against John or Patsy? If it was, why write the ransom note? The note doesn't help throw off the cops -- it gives them lots of evidence. The garrote is either from some truly sick person or it was another attempt to make the killing look like it was something else.

But again, who breaks in a house, steals a child from her bed, tortures and murders her, and then sits down to write a ransom note? If it was a ransom attempt gone bad, why not write the note before you get there? Seems nuts someone would just sit in a house you broke into and write a multi-page letter before or after the crime.
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The supposed "proof" of sexual assault was unidentified DNA on her underwear. But it turns out it was "trace DNA" which means casual contact, such as the handling by workers in a factory while they were packaging the underwear.
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My original suspicion was that the killer was Jon Ramsey's oldest son who was college age at the time and it was some twisted revenge motive towards the parents. So many years later, who knows? I don't think Burke did it. If you accuse everyone in the world who has poor social skills and looks "weird" on camera, you might as well throw nearly everyone in jail.
Only the general population thinks like that. You're talking about the type of people who think satanic cults are running around killing pregnant women and kidnapping kids. Same type of people who vote Trump into office claiming he's going to build a magic wall to stop Mexicans from coming into America, yet they will pick up one at Home Depot and pay them sixty bucks to build a deck.

People are stupid. The "public" sucks. In their world, weird people should be locked up.

Burke and John can sue CBS for stating facts. As long as what they said is corroborated by a source, such as in a police report, in the ME report or someone told them, they are free to report it and theorize whatever they want.

Regardless, it is an established fact that someone in that house killed Jon Benet. The Ramseys brought this all on themselves. They went from TV station to TV station peddling fiction in an attempt to deceive a very stupid general population that has half a brain. Now I no problem with people remaining private or going public. But they really pumped a lot of BS and attempted to deceive common sense.

Their child is missing, so let's host a ****ing party? Now I perfectly understand that people want to have some close friends and family to help deal with simple tasks so they can focus on the important things. I hate to miss trash day, so I'm good with my friends coming to help out. I really need the ****ing Miller family serving hors d'oeuvres while Chip the guy who painted my neighbor's house is sweeping the patio. No child abduction is complete without a helping of norco, cigars and aged Scotch. And hell, let's call some more people. Have the wife drunk dial while I host the men in the cigar room.

They have the police standing around while thirty plus people are having "a good time" supporting their friends. John and Patty were very smart and knew to contaminate the crime scene, create a diversion while John is "managing the situation".


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The FBI Assessment of JonBenet's autospy and available medical records demonstrated that that her vaginal trauma was "not consistent with a history of sexual abuse", and "turned up no evidence of any other type of abuse. The sexual violation of JonBenet did not appear to have been committed for the perpetrators gratification. The penetration, which caused minor genital trauma, was more likely part of a staged crime scene intended to mislead the police."
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cbs is asking for a dismissal of the case the latest article march 20 2017

http://www.westword.com/news/jonbene...ismiss-8876611
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I really think he accidentally killed her and the parents (Patsy in particular) helped cover it up
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My original suspicion was that the killer was Jon Ramsey's oldest son who was college age at the time and it was some twisted revenge motive towards the parents. So many years later, who knows? I don't think Burke did it. If you accuse everyone in the world who has poor social skills and looks "weird" on camera, you might as well throw nearly everyone in jail.
The whereabouts of John Ramsey's two surviving older children was one of the first questions asked at an early news conference and after their locations and other facts were established they were cleared. Actually any person alive and breathing and above the age of seven who was NOT in the Boulder area that day is lucky, as pretty much everyone else was suspected at one time or another and lives were damaged or ruined as a result.

BTW when John Ramsey's older son was asked what should be done with his sister's killer his answer was said to be, "Forgiveness." Pretty telling that he knew the killer and considered the death accidental.
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I don't think Burke did it. If you accuse everyone in the world who has poor social skills and looks "weird" on camera, you might as well throw nearly everyone in jail.
In this case, it's more than just the awkward social skills and weirdness. Burke's history of major temper tantrums at the time cannot be overlooked. Especially when one of those tantrums involved him swinging a golf club at JonBenet's face the previous summer. That incident alone could have easily killed her.

I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that another incident like this happened again on Christmas Eve. Another tantrum, another striking incident, only this time he ended up killing her by accident.
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Only the general population thinks like that. You're talking about the type of people who think satanic cults are running around killing pregnant women and kidnapping kids. Same type of people who vote Trump into office claiming he's going to build a magic wall to stop Mexicans from coming into America, yet they will pick up one at Home Depot and pay them sixty bucks to build a deck.

People are stupid. The "public" sucks. In their world, weird people should be locked up.

Burke and John can sue CBS for stating facts. As long as what they said is corroborated by a source, such as in a police report, in the ME report or someone told them, they are free to report it and theorize whatever they want.

Regardless, it is an established fact that someone in that house killed Jon Benet. The Ramseys brought this all on themselves. They went from TV station to TV station peddling fiction in an attempt to deceive a very stupid general population that has half a brain. Now I no problem with people remaining private or going public. But they really pumped a lot of BS and attempted to deceive common sense.

Their child is missing, so let's host a ****ing party? Now I perfectly understand that people want to have some close friends and family to help deal with simple tasks so they can focus on the important things. I hate to miss trash day, so I'm good with my friends coming to help out. I really need the ****ing Miller family serving hors d'oeuvres while Chip the guy who painted my neighbor's house is sweeping the patio. No child abduction is complete without a helping of norco, cigars and aged Scotch. And hell, let's call some more people. Have the wife drunk dial while I host the men in the cigar room.

They have the police standing around while thirty plus people are having "a good time" supporting their friends. John and Patty were very smart and knew to contaminate the crime scene, create a diversion while John is "managing the situation".




The FBI Assessment of JonBenet's autospy and available medical records demonstrated that that her vaginal trauma was "not consistent with a history of sexual abuse", and "turned up no evidence of any other type of abuse. The sexual violation of JonBenet did not appear to have been committed for the perpetrators gratification. The penetration, which caused minor genital trauma, was more likely part of a staged crime scene intended to mislead the police."

the FBI assesment is based on FBI profilers not medical examiners.

forensic pathologists who have examined it said her injuries are consistent with a sexual assault.

funny you talk about the public being stupid then you make such comments yourself.

scientific review of the evidence shows that the most likely theory is an intruder came in and killed Jonbenet
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the FBI assesment is based on FBI profilers not medical examiners.

forensic pathologists who have examined it said her injuries are consistent with a sexual assault.

funny you talk about the public being stupid then you make such comments yourself.

scientific review of the evidence shows that the most likely theory is an intruder came in and killed Jonbenet
Nope. You need to catch up. Please read this article on the DNA evidence. It was most likely transfer DNA. Also, the sexual assault theory has basically been discredited too. Almost everyone who has looked at that evidence in the last few years has said there was most likely not sexual abuse involved.

Finally, if we are to believe an intruder did it, how do you explain the ransom note? That makes no sense and it absolutely points back at the family, with Patsy being the most likely author.
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the FBI assesment is based on FBI profilers not medical examiners.

forensic pathologists who have examined it said her injuries are consistent with a sexual assault.

funny you talk about the public being stupid then you make such comments yourself.

scientific review of the evidence shows that the most likely theory is an intruder came in and killed Jonbenet
Let's start with the easy stuff first.

Have you even read any of the reports? Actually, have you even attempted to read the actual reports you continue to cite?

See, there is a difference between an "informed" public and an "uninformed" public. Fact is, you've been told by numerous "informed" people that the prior spin by the PR consultant was largely discredited. Some of the pathologists that were peddling drama on TV based their entire opinion from newspaper articles quoting other pathologists who "may have" read a report or two.

The FBI assessed the situation as they at one point had jurisdiction and later was brought in to assist BPD(a little too late). Because you were uninformed you made a wild and baseless claim that some FBI profilers wrote the assessment. Sadly, you fail to understand that the FBI virtually has unlimited resources when they investigate crimes. They have crime labs. Pathologists. Criminologists. Yes, they have "profilers". They have a SWAT team too.

You don't know who made the assessment. You probably thought of Silence of the Lambs and rattled off some umimpressive propaganda of your own.

Look I know this game. Informed people can cite source after source, while the uninformed rattle off about what some reporter or analyst or panel stated as "fact". They tell you how to "interpret" reports and evidence. They add colorful innuendo. They invent impressive theories. They sit and novelize one sentence from a police or medical report. They mix theories with facts. Suddenly these theories become "fact".

Suddenly the uninformed run with it and begin to propagate nonsense they heard from some panel on CNN.

Jon Benet was not sexually abused. Sadly John Ramsey's first call was to his pilot telling him to "fuel the plane and have it ready. We're heading to Atlanta". He made several calls including one to retain a Public Relations consultant. That as his daughter's lifeless body was laid by a Christmas tree.

Fortunately there are good people who wish to just get the factual information out there.

Why be ordinary? Be informed. The better informed the public is, the more likely common sense will finally enter the fray.

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/...n%20JBR%20Case
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Nope. You need to catch up. Please read this article on the DNA evidence. It was most likely transfer DNA. Also, the sexual assault theory has basically been discredited too. Almost everyone who has looked at that evidence in the last few years has said there was most likely not sexual abuse involved.

Finally, if we are to believe an intruder did it, how do you explain the ransom note? That makes no sense and it absolutely points back at the family, with Patsy being the most likely author.
wrong again. Lawerence Kawlaski is a DNA expert who said that the DNA is evidence of an intruder.

if an intruder wants to write a ransom note, he does
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Let's start with the easy stuff first.

Have you even read any of the reports? Actually, have you even attempted to read the actual reports you continue to cite?

See, there is a difference between an "informed" public and an "uninformed" public. Fact is, you've been told by numerous "informed" people that the prior spin by the PR consultant was largely discredited. Some of the pathologists that were peddling drama on TV based their entire opinion from newspaper articles quoting other pathologists who "may have" read a report or two.

The FBI assessed the situation as they at one point had jurisdiction and later was brought in to assist BPD(a little too late). Because you were uninformed you made a wild and baseless claim that some FBI profilers wrote the assessment. Sadly, you fail to understand that the FBI virtually has unlimited resources when they investigate crimes. They have crime labs. Pathologists. Criminologists. Yes, they have "profilers". They have a SWAT team too.

You don't know who made the assessment. You probably thought of Silence of the Lambs and rattled off some umimpressive propaganda of your own.

Look I know this game. Informed people can cite source after source, while the uninformed rattle off about what some reporter or analyst or panel stated as "fact". They tell you how to "interpret" reports and evidence. They add colorful innuendo. They invent impressive theories. They sit and novelize one sentence from a police or medical report. They mix theories with facts. Suddenly these theories become "fact".

Suddenly the uninformed run with it and begin to propagate nonsense they heard from some panel on CNN.

Jon Benet was not sexually abused. Sadly John Ramsey's first call was to his pilot telling him to "fuel the plane and have it ready. We're heading to Atlanta". He made several calls including one to retain a Public Relations consultant. That as his daughter's lifeless body was laid by a Christmas tree.

Fortunately there are good people who wish to just get the factual information out there.

Why be ordinary? Be informed. The better informed the public is, the more likely common sense will finally enter the fray.

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/...n%20JBR%20Case
wrong again.

there is zero scientific evidence in support of FBI profilers.
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