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Old 06-17-2013, 02:30 PM   #16
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I think that would be rather obvious. Garnier worked vice. He arrested prostitutes. And probably people with drugs in their possession.
Yeah but countless hookers get busted all the time but none turn the tables and go after the cops and shoot them , on paper it wouldnt make sense. If she is somehow involved in all this then there must be more to this than meets the eye - I doubt she would do such a serious crime over one lousy bust for solicitation (or a bit of crack) which wouldnt have earned her a significant stint in the slammer ......
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Yeah but countless hookers get busted all the time but none turn the tables and go after the cops and shoot them , on paper it wouldnt make sense.
Are you for real here?

The vast majority of individuals who are arrested by police do not retaliate against them. As we all are fully aware, however, it happens. And yes, there have existed prostitutes who have murdered police officers, and yes, there have existed drug users who have murdered police officers. We don't even know whether Kuntz was prostituting, but it IS confirmed that she was a drug user. And it IS confirmed she was at one point arrested for conspiring to commit another murder.

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If she is somehow involved in all this then there must be more to this than meets the eye - I doubt she would do such a serious crime over one lousy bust for solicitation (or a bit of crack) which wouldnt have earned her a significant stint in the slammer ......
None of us know how many previous arrests this woman had, or who was/were the arresting officers, or whatever.

This is what we DO know:

1. Kuntz was a hard drug user, possibly a prostitute.
2. Kuntz was arrested for conspiracy to commit murder just a few years after Lester Garnier's shooting.
3. Garnier was a police officer assigned to vice, and made many arrests while working undercover.
4. Kuntz's fingerprint was found on Garnier's vehicle.
5. Multiple witnesses reported two women in the vicinity of Garnier's vehicle moments before and after the sounds later confirmed to be gunshots were heard.

Seems like a pretty good suspect to me.
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Are you for real here?

The vast majority of individuals who are arrested by police do not retaliate against them. As we all are fully aware, however, it happens. And yes, there have existed prostitutes who have murdered police officers, and yes, there have existed drug users who have murdered police officers. We don't even know whether Kuntz was prostituting, but it IS confirmed that she was a drug user. And it IS confirmed she was at one point arrested for conspiring to commit another murder.



None of us know how many previous arrests this woman had, or who was/were the arresting officers, or whatever.

This is what we DO know:

1. Kuntz was a hard drug user, possibly a prostitute.
2. Kuntz was arrested for conspiracy to commit murder just a few years after Lester Garnier's shooting.
3. Garnier was a police officer assigned to vice, and made many arrests while working undercover.
4. Kuntz's fingerprint was found on Garnier's vehicle.
5. Multiple witnesses reported two women in the vicinity of Garnier's vehicle moments before and after the sounds later confirmed to be gunshots were heard.

Seems like a pretty good suspect to me.
The conspiracy to commit murder charge involved her allegedly hiring someone to do the killing .....

Her fingerprint in Lestsers car only proves she was either in the car at some point in time or she came into contact with the car , suspicipous - yes but thats probably not the whole story ......

The sighting of two women opens up all sorts of possible scenarios regarding motive.... and while still on this - have the withesses positively Id`ed Kuntz as one of the ladies they saw? She fits the general description but then again so did a female police officer ......

Regarding prostitutes murdering officers please can you list some actual cases were such a thing has happened ?
Hookers busted by cops do get angry at them and may hate them but thats a whole distance from actually going after a cop and murdering him , I doubt if Kuntz was involved in all this it would have been about a small time bust .....
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The conspiracy to commit murder charge involved her allegedly hiring someone to do the killing .....
That's not the point. The point is that there's evidence to indicate the woman has been directly linked to at least one homicide, and that it's reasonable to conclude she could be involved in another, or others.

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Her fingerprint in Lestsers car only proves she was either in the car at some point in time or she came into contact with the car , suspicipous - yes but thats probably not the whole story ......
It proves she was there. That's significant.

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The sighting of two women opens up all sorts of possible scenarios regarding motive.... and while still on this - have the withesses positively Id`ed Kuntz as one of the ladies they saw? She fits the general description but then again so did a female police officer ......
What female police officer?

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I'm not going to do research for you. A cursory internet search will turn up several examples. Often, prostitutes are also drug clients or are, less frequently, low-level dealers. That is usually a significant factor.

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Hookers busted by cops do get angry at them and may hate them but thats a whole distance from actually going after a cop and murdering him , I doubt if Kuntz was involved in all this it would have been about a small time bust .....
No one is saying it's about a "small time bust". You're the only one concluding that--based on what, I don't know. The fact of the matter is:

1. She fits the profile of the people Garnier arrested as a drug client and alleged prostitute.
2. She has been involved with at least one murder.
3. She was in contact with Garnier's vehicle.


No one is saying she's guilty. There's certainly not enough evidence. She is a very good suspect. Period.
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That's not the point. The point is that there's evidence to indicate the woman has been directly linked to at least one homicide, and that it's reasonable to conclude she could be involved in another, or others.



It proves she was there. That's significant.



What female police officer?



I'm not going to do research for you. A cursory internet search will turn up several examples. Often, prostitutes are also drug clients or are, less frequently, low-level dealers. That is usually a significant factor.



No one is saying it's about a "small time bust". You're the only one concluding that--based on what, I don't know. The fact of the matter is:

1. She fits the profile of the people Garnier arrested as a drug client and alleged prostitute.
2. She has been involved with at least one murder.
3. She was in contact with Garnier's vehicle.


No one is saying she's guilty. There's certainly not enough evidence. She is a very good suspect. Period.
The conspiracy to commit murder charge was for planning the murder of her then husband but the husband was not murdered in the end, ironically that husband forgave her and helped to free her from the charges! Its quite a bizarre story .......

The female police officer : When the witness reported seeing 2 females leave the car the Walnut creek PD were also investigating the possibility that officers were involved the homicide so they checked to see if any females officers matched the general description of the two ladies seen leaving Lester`s car and thats how they came across a female officer in the bay area who also matched that general description of one of the ladies seen leaving the Corvette ........

Regarding Kuntz I think if she is involved in the shooting then there probably was a wider conspracy involving mutlple people and the motive would have involved something bigger ......

What amazes me is that there is no concrete info on who made that call to Lester on the fateful day ......; whoever called Lester must have known him well (and Lester must have known the caller well too) to lure him away from home ...this then makes me think someone close to Lester was in on the plan to eliminate Lester - this is why I believe there was some conspiracy involving multiple parties -therefore Kuntz must be only the tip of the iceberg in this case and I doubt all this was about revenge for some small time bust ......
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I was just watching this one for the first time and as I watched it, I began thinking to myself that a prostitute did this.

Early in the segment, Stack mentions how gung ho Lester was. He arrested a lot and was a very good cop. My initial theory as I was viewing the segment was that prostitutes began to get the drop on Lester. His MO, so to speak of soliciting them in his Corvette and then arresting them. My guess is that within the prostitution world, word spread of Lester (and I'm sure other cops) were putting a dent in their business as well as arresting a lot of them. I think he solicited Catherine Kuntz and pulled into a vacant parking lot where she pulled a gun on him. Articles state that Lesters body was found in the "hand up" position, so its likely that he saw Kuntz (or whoever) pull the gun on him, but he was trapped inside his car and could not get away.

Here's an article from 2009 that discusses Lester's sister confronting Kuntz:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...demand-1013971
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I was just watching this one for the first time and as I watched it, I began thinking to myself that a prostitute did this.

Early in the segment, Stack mentions how gung ho Lester was. He arrested a lot and was a very good cop. My initial theory as I was viewing the segment was that prostitutes began to get the drop on Lester. His MO, so to speak of soliciting them in his Corvette and then arresting them. My guess is that within the prostitution world, word spread of Lester (and I'm sure other cops) were putting a dent in their business as well as arresting a lot of them. I think he solicited Catherine Kuntz and pulled into a vacant parking lot where she pulled a gun on him. Articles state that Lesters body was found in the "hand up" position, so its likely that he saw Kuntz (or whoever) pull the gun on him, but he was trapped inside his car and could not get away.

Here's an article from 2009 that discusses Lester's sister confronting Kuntz:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...demand-1013971
Yep it's a dangerous job. A couple of vice members in dallas recently got fired for their interactions with prostitutes. Not insinuating Lester is the same deal just pointing out how sketchy that line of work can be.
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She's a very ugly woman, I'll give her that.
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I had no idea they named a suspect in Lester's death. Here's the composite drawing of the woman seen in the parking lot. Here's a picture of Catherine Kuntz, the suspect named. I think they look similar.

Other than the her print being found on Lester's car, and Kuntz being a suspected prostitute, they never could tie down a motive, correct? The most recent article I saw referenced a diner that Lester and his family going to, and that Kuntz had worked there very briefly around the same time. Is there anything other than that (possible arrests of Kuntz by Lester) that could tie the two together somehow?

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I had no idea they named a suspect in Lester's death. If you can find Here's the composite drawing of the woman seen in the parking lot. Here's a picture of Catherine Kuntz, the suspect named. I think they look similar.

Other than the her print being found on Lester's car, and Kuntz being a suspected prostitute, they never could tie down a motive, correct? The most recent article I saw referenced a diner that Lester and his family going to, and that Kuntz had worked there very briefly around the same time. Is there anything other than that (possible arrests of Kuntz by Lester) that could tie the two together somehow?

I would say there is a ton of resemblence in those two pictures. Wow.
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I found it interesting that the article mentions Lester receiving 2 phone calls shortly before his murder, but the UM segment makes it seem like the last known activity of Lester that day was cancelling plans to get together with a friend sometime in the afternoon.

I also find the theory that this was a murder for hire plot very intriguing. Since they have never been able to find a connection between Lester and Catherine Kuntz, I wonder if Kuntz was hired by someone else who wanted Lester dead. This would explain the 2nd unidentified woman at the scene. And I can't come up with an "innocent" explanation as to why Kuntz would be with Lester that night, and not be involved in his murder.
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I think Catherine and this other woman were involved with Lester's death but the actual person who shot him was a professional.
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Just re-watched this one. I can come up with two theories. The first is simple and involves Kuntz being directly responsible, killing Lester randomly during a sting or for some other comparatively trivial grievance.

The second is arguably more complex and involves Kuntz acting on behalf of someone or ordering the killing herself (which, without a motive, I find hard to believe). You can start with either corrupt politicians or corrupt police and then create whatever wild theory you want from there.
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Watching this case this morning. I really believe prostitutes that he might have arrested in the past probably are responsible for this.
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I have a few theories regarding this case:

1.) A pimp who Kuntz and the other woman worked for ordered that Lester be killed for arresting with his "workers", or maybe felt betrayed since he was undercover.

2.) Lester could've been a bit of a dirty cop and could've been "abusive" towards the prostitutes. Maybe he took their money and drugs, and roughed them up a bit. Maybe he extorted some of them i.e. sex/money for not getting arrested and arrested them anyway. Could've been a bit of a bully
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