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Old 06-28-2017, 06:56 PM   #16
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From a distance this thread title sounds a little bit racist.

Just kidding of course.

Yeah, Andy was very hard to take in those years, like his Face In The Crowd character took over the role or something.

Barney's absence really seemed to affect him.
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When actors "phone it in" because they are bored they are cheating the audience.

When you get highly paid and are fortunate enough to have a successful show bearing your name you damn well should not take it for granted by just going through the motions.

His poor attitude yielded a shift in the show. It kind of lost its heart in a way.

There were some good, classic episodes here and there in the last 3 seasons but the leading man looked either angry or bored and it took a toll on the show.
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There was also a change in producers during those later years. Aaron Ruben had gone off to produce Gomer Pyle, so Bob Ross was in charge of TAGS during the color years.
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This subject of why Andy Griffith sucked during the color years is a major topic for discussion and why the color episodes were just lacking and in the opinion of a vast majority of fans of the series, the color ones are disliked and some cable networks actually would not show the color ones at all.

General consensus:

Don Knotts left. Knotts and Griffith worked extremely well together and had an amazing chemistry and in real life, the men were the best of friends. When Knotts left, the comedy left.

Jack Burns was a horrible replacement. Burns gets a lot of flack, but he was just the wrong choice for this part, much like Jack Nicholson would have. Burns acted and directed a lot of great television, but Warren was awful, and Andy fired him. Jerry Van Dyke would have made a much better choice, but even Van Dyke would pale to Knotts and in an alternate universe, we would be complaining about Jerry Van Dyke.

Most of the black and white players were not there in the color episodes, and their replacements were not as good as the original players. George Lindsey worked as an occasional side player, main player not so much. Emmit the TV repairman. Howard Sprague anyone?

Opie wasnt cute and was sort of a jerky young teen. The 1960's, at least the cute, annoying, sappy ass 1960's sort of creeped in via Opie.

The stories were getting ridiculous, if not cringeworthy (the Speghetti dinner show for one). The original writers and directors were not there anymore, moving on to other projects.

Griffith was tired of the role and was afraid of being typecast and wanted to be more of a movie actor and a Broadway showman. He did "phone it in" and has even admitted to it. No one really called him on it because he owned a piece of the show, was basically the boss, and the show reached #1 in the ratings.

Griffith's marriage to his first wife was falling apart and he was or wasn't having an affair with Aneta Courset. Supposdly Griffith loved her and wanted to marry her, but she refused (bisexual?), which probably added tension to the already stressful job of working on a TV series.

The color series never happened, EXCEPT the Don Knotts guest episodes. Dunno the episode, where Fife is renting a room with a family of thieves doing their business right under him. That episode was great because the team was back together.

Any questions?
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Old 07-18-2017, 01:26 PM   #21
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This subject of why Andy Griffith sucked during the color years is a major topic for discussion and why the color episodes were just lacking and in the opinion of a vast majority of fans of the series, the color ones are disliked and some cable networks actually would not show the color ones at all.

General consensus:

Don Knotts left. Knotts and Griffith worked extremely well together and had an amazing chemistry and in real life, the men were the best of friends. When Knotts left, the comedy left.

Jack Burns was a horrible replacement. Burns gets a lot of flack, but he was just the wrong choice for this part, much like Jack Nicholson would have. Burns acted and directed a lot of great television, but Warren was awful, and Andy fired him. Jerry Van Dyke would have made a much better choice, but even Van Dyke would pale to Knotts and in an alternate universe, we would be complaining about Jerry Van Dyke.

Most of the black and white players were not there in the color episodes, and their replacements were not as good as the original players. George Lindsey worked as an occasional side player, main player not so much. Emmit the TV repairman. Howard Sprague anyone?

Opie wasnt cute and was sort of a jerky young teen. The 1960's, at least the cute, annoying, sappy ass 1960's sort of creeped in via Opie.

The stories were getting ridiculous, if not cringeworthy (the Speghetti dinner show for one). The original writers and directors were not there anymore, moving on to other projects.

Griffith was tired of the role and was afraid of being typecast and wanted to be more of a movie actor and a Broadway showman. He did "phone it in" and has even admitted to it. No one really called him on it because he owned a piece of the show, was basically the boss, and the show reached #1 in the ratings.

Griffith's marriage to his first wife was falling apart and he was or wasn't having an affair with Aneta Courset. Supposdly Griffith loved her and wanted to marry her, but she refused (bisexual?), which probably added tension to the already stressful job of working on a TV series.

The color series never happened, EXCEPT the Don Knotts guest episodes. Dunno the episode, where Fife is renting a room with a family of thieves doing their business right under him. That episode was great because the team was back together.

Any questions?
Andy and Aneta did have a wild affair during the latter days of TAGS to the extent that they did "get it on" on set. Andy asked Aneta three times to marry him but she turned him down because she wanted to keep her options open. I don't think the relationship added tensions but (as a friend pointed out to me) this probably could be explanation as to why there's so many Hellcat Helen episodes: Aneta gets out her anger on set and then she and Andy get to lovin as soon as they get to Aunt Bee's Canopy bed
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This subject of why Andy Griffith sucked during the color years is a major topic for discussion and why the color episodes were just lacking and in the opinion of a vast majority of fans of the series, the color ones are disliked and some cable networks actually would not show the color ones at all.

General consensus:

Don Knotts left. Knotts and Griffith worked extremely well together and had an amazing chemistry and in real life, the men were the best of friends. When Knotts left, the comedy left.

Jack Burns was a horrible replacement. Burns gets a lot of flack, but he was just the wrong choice for this part, much like Jack Nicholson would have. Burns acted and directed a lot of great television, but Warren was awful, and Andy fired him. Jerry Van Dyke would have made a much better choice, but even Van Dyke would pale to Knotts and in an alternate universe, we would be complaining about Jerry Van Dyke.

Most of the black and white players were not there in the color episodes, and their replacements were not as good as the original players. George Lindsey worked as an occasional side player, main player not so much. Emmit the TV repairman. Howard Sprague anyone?

Opie wasnt cute and was sort of a jerky young teen. The 1960's, at least the cute, annoying, sappy ass 1960's sort of creeped in via Opie.

The stories were getting ridiculous, if not cringeworthy (the Speghetti dinner show for one). The original writers and directors were not there anymore, moving on to other projects.

Griffith was tired of the role and was afraid of being typecast and wanted to be more of a movie actor and a Broadway showman. He did "phone it in" and has even admitted to it. No one really called him on it because he owned a piece of the show, was basically the boss, and the show reached #1 in the ratings.

Griffith's marriage to his first wife was falling apart and he was or wasn't having an affair with Aneta Courset. Supposdly Griffith loved her and wanted to marry her, but she refused (bisexual?), which probably added tension to the already stressful job of working on a TV series.

The color series never happened, EXCEPT the Don Knotts guest episodes. Dunno the episode, where Fife is renting a room with a family of thieves doing their business right under him. That episode was great because the team was back together.

Any questions?
Yes, why don't you see the value in Howard Sprague? He was one of the better additions in the later years, very quirky and unusual.

Also, do you use oregano in your spaghetti?

BTW, love your insights on the show.
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From a distance this thread title sounds a little bit racist.

Just kidding of course.

That was exactly what I thought when I saw the title. What did that say??

And especially since it took place in the deep south. Did he mean Amos & Andy Griffith?!?!?
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This subject of why Andy Griffith sucked during the color years is a major topic for discussion and why the color episodes were just lacking and in the opinion of a vast majority of fans of the series, the color ones are disliked and some cable networks actually would not show the color ones at all.

General consensus:

Don Knotts left. Knotts and Griffith worked extremely well together and had an amazing chemistry and in real life, the men were the best of friends. When Knotts left, the comedy left.

Jack Burns was a horrible replacement. Burns gets a lot of flack, but he was just the wrong choice for this part, much like Jack Nicholson would have. Burns acted and directed a lot of great television, but Warren was awful, and Andy fired him. Jerry Van Dyke would have made a much better choice, but even Van Dyke would pale to Knotts and in an alternate universe, we would be complaining about Jerry Van Dyke.

Most of the black and white players were not there in the color episodes, and their replacements were not as good as the original players. George Lindsey worked as an occasional side player, main player not so much. Emmit the TV repairman. Howard Sprague anyone?

Opie wasnt cute and was sort of a jerky young teen. The 1960's, at least the cute, annoying, sappy ass 1960's sort of creeped in via Opie.

The stories were getting ridiculous, if not cringeworthy (the Speghetti dinner show for one). The original writers and directors were not there anymore, moving on to other projects.

Griffith was tired of the role and was afraid of being typecast and wanted to be more of a movie actor and a Broadway showman. He did "phone it in" and has even admitted to it. No one really called him on it because he owned a piece of the show, was basically the boss, and the show reached #1 in the ratings.

Griffith's marriage to his first wife was falling apart and he was or wasn't having an affair with Aneta Courset. Supposdly Griffith loved her and wanted to marry her, but she refused (bisexual?), which probably added tension to the already stressful job of working on a TV series.

The color series never happened, EXCEPT the Don Knotts guest episodes. Dunno the episode, where Fife is renting a room with a family of thieves doing their business right under him. That episode was great because the team was back together.

Any questions?
It's a shame Don Knott's couldn't still work on tags while making movies. On his returns to do an occasional color episode he was still brilliantly funny and the episodes were great.

I though every jack burns (Warren) episode was a masterpiece and it's a shame he got the boot .

The spaghetti episode was an example of the ability of the show to kick out a funny episode even after losing don Knott's and Burns. There were some clunker colored episodes but many good ones.

Howard and emmit were put in to fill in for the lost characters and did an admirable job when they were given funny scripts.

George Lindsey was brilliant throughout the series and kept many episodes afloat with his comic genius.

Andy Griffith's character wasn't grumpy or phoning it in during the colored episodes. The mood changed from Don Knott's hilarity to Andy Griffith's talent for being funny when put apon, or put in embarrassing situations.

Most of the true classic tags episodes are the black and white when Andy steps aside from being the clown the first year and hands over the reigns to Don Knotts and Andy is his still funny straight man.

To me the first year is the worst with Ellie. Nothing clicked, the characters didn't find their brillance yet. The second year the characters and writing to bring out the best kicked in in as the classic sitcom ensemble emerged .

Andy and Barney's girlfriends Thelma Lou and Helen Crump emergence starting the period of the best of the best episodes period with the foursome making sitcom history with Floyd, Gomer,Goober, Otis, Alan Melvin's numerous characters and the many other perfectly cast guest players.

Mayberry RFD that's another story. Nice cast, but not funny. The show had run its course and even the underrated George Lindsey couldn't make it funny.
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Andy must have remained on good terms with Aneta Corsaut, because there she was years later playing a judge on Matlock...!

I tend to agree with the comments on the replacement of Don Knotts -- I mean could he really be replaced successfully? Think about it.
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This subject of why Andy Griffith sucked during the color years is a major topic for discussion and why the color episodes were just lacking and in the opinion of a vast majority of fans of the series, the color ones are disliked and some cable networks actually would not show the color ones at all.

General consensus:

Don Knotts left. Knotts and Griffith worked extremely well together and had an amazing chemistry and in real life, the men were the best of friends. When Knotts left, the comedy left.

Jack Burns was a horrible replacement. Burns gets a lot of flack, but he was just the wrong choice for this part, much like Jack Nicholson would have. Burns acted and directed a lot of great television, but Warren was awful, and Andy fired him. Jerry Van Dyke would have made a much better choice, but even Van Dyke would pale to Knotts and in an alternate universe, we would be complaining about Jerry Van Dyke.

Most of the black and white players were not there in the color episodes, and their replacements were not as good as the original players. George Lindsey worked as an occasional side player, main player not so much. Emmit the TV repairman. Howard Sprague anyone?

Opie wasnt cute and was sort of a jerky young teen. The 1960's, at least the cute, annoying, sappy ass 1960's sort of creeped in via Opie.

The stories were getting ridiculous, if not cringeworthy (the Speghetti dinner show for one). The original writers and directors were not there anymore, moving on to other projects.

Griffith was tired of the role and was afraid of being typecast and wanted to be more of a movie actor and a Broadway showman. He did "phone it in" and has even admitted to it. No one really called him on it because he owned a piece of the show, was basically the boss, and the show reached #1 in the ratings.

Griffith's marriage to his first wife was falling apart and he was or wasn't having an affair with Aneta Courset. Supposdly Griffith loved her and wanted to marry her, but she refused (bisexual?), which probably added tension to the already stressful job of working on a TV series.

The color series never happened, EXCEPT the Don Knotts guest episodes. Dunno the episode, where Fife is renting a room with a family of thieves doing their business right under him. That episode was great because the team was back together.

Any questions?
Well, actually, Jerry Van Dyke was the first choice. Unfortunately, however, he ultimately made the very foolish decision to play Dave Crabtree on My Mother the Car.
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Well, actually, Jerry Van Dyke was the first choice. Unfortunately, however, he ultimately made the very foolish decision to play Dave Crabtree on My Mother the Car.

He turned down the role of Gilligan for My Mother the Car, I've never heard anything about him being the first choice to replace Don Knotts.
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Technically Jerry Van Dyke did "replace" Don Knotts for one episode at the end of the fifth season. The "Banjo Playing Deputy" episode was after Barney left and Andy was looking for a replacement deputy. He obviously didn't last though.
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There were actually two other actors besides Jerry Van Dyke who were considered for Barney's replacement before Jack Burns was picked. The first was Alvy Moore (Hank Kimball on Green Acres) and the second was Larry Hovis (who played Gilly Walker in two episodes and went on to play Carter on Hogan's Heroes.) Both Alvy and Larry turned down the part because they were gearing up for their respective shows. I think even if they had been available Andy would've still wanted Jerry Van Dyke given the two were both very good friends and Andy wanted to help Jerry step out of his brother's shadow (Which is also how Jerry wound up on the disastrous headmaster)
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