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I've been on the fence about this case for years and just went and watched the Forensic Files episode. I'm more sure now than ever that she IS responsible for the deaths.
I was absolutely in the same boat. I remember catching the Forensic Files episode purely by accident. By the time it was over, I was like, "How did UM MISS ALL OF THIS?!?!?"

I had been leaning guilty. That show pushed me completely over to the guilty side.
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The sole reason people still believe her is because they cannot fathom a parent murdering their own children. Same reason why Jeffrey MacDonald still has his supporters. Although at least with MacDonald, they had some potential "suspects". Not so much with Darlie.
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I was absolutely in the same boat. I remember catching the Forensic Files episode purely by accident. By the time it was over, I was like, "How did UM MISS ALL OF THIS?!?!?"

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It's just the difference in the format, one show demonstrates how forensic evidence tells a story and the episodes cleanly wrap up the case at the end without trying to leave any unanswered questions, which is totally contrary to what UM tried to do.
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The sole reason people still believe her is because they cannot fathom a parent murdering their own children. Same reason why Jeffrey MacDonald still has his supporters. Although at least with MacDonald, they had some potential "suspects". Not so much with Darlie.
For me, it was always the lack of motive. She had no real reason to kill the kids, even if they were in debt. I believe the insurance paid out 10,000 but the funerals cost 13,000. No one has been able to clearly paint her as some kind of 'kept' woman who needed these kids out of her life for her lifestyle. Just talking about it now makes me think she is innocent.
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For me, it was always the lack of motive. She had no real reason to kill the kids, even if they were in debt. I believe the insurance paid out 10,000 but the funerals cost 13,000. No one has been able to clearly paint her as some kind of 'kept' woman who needed these kids out of her life for her lifestyle. Just talking about it now makes me think she is innocent.
I used to struggle with this when I tried to make sense of it all. that and I always thought the media effected public opinion before she was ever on trial. Nothing really makes sense with this crime other than Darlie had her own reasoning for doing this. I don't think it was an instant gratification thing regarding money, but more of a long term thing of not having to be a mother. perhaps she would have killed more people later. We've seen that with psychopath murderers that get away the first time. Just guessing here....Unless she has a change of heart and shares it with the public we will never know. 20+ years later I have come to the conclusion that she should be on the segment with Marie Hilley.
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For me, it was always the lack of motive. She had no real reason to kill the kids, even if they were in debt.
Who do you think was the killer, and what do you think was the motive?
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For me, it was always the lack of motive. She had no real reason to kill the kids, even if they were in debt. I believe the insurance paid out 10,000 but the funerals cost 13,000. No one has been able to clearly paint her as some kind of 'kept' woman who needed these kids out of her life for her lifestyle. Just talking about it now makes me think she is innocent.
The lack of motive is really irrelevant. The forensics tell you all you need to know.

Who knows why... Maybe she was psychotic, maybe she was depressed, maybe she wanted attention. But all that matters is what the evidence shows and it clearly shows she is guilty.
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The lack of motive is really irrelevant. The forensics tell you all you need to know.

Who knows why... Maybe she was psychotic, maybe she was depressed, maybe she wanted attention. But all that matters is what the evidence shows and it clearly shows she is guilty.
I have always wondered if Darlie had been screened for Munchausen by proxy. I'm sure it's been mentioned here in the numerous pages of this thread, but the whole crime scene screamed, "Look at me, look what happened to my kids, this has been so hard on me." And if you're familiar with this particular disorder.... that type of thinking is a hallmark of it.

Agree with Todd, though. The forensics tell us everything we need to know. We may never know the motive. Crap. There was a kid in my town who just murdered his parents in cold blood for reasons that we'll probably never know. I'd LOVE to know what was going on in Darlie's head at the time all this happened, but I think we have to accept it's not going to happen. She's never going to acknowledge guilt because she's loving how she's been able to play the wronged victim after all these years.
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What really annoys me about this segment was that she was convicted not on objective scientific data but on a ridiculous home video. It makes me uncomfortable knowing someone would judge me for not "grieving right" as someone who is already considered weird by some: image the crimes that jury would have found someone like me guilty of for not acting 'normal'.

It appears that Darlie got railroaded at her trial but that doesn't mean for a second she is innocent.
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For me, it was always the lack of motive. She had no real reason to kill the kids, even if they were in debt. I believe the insurance paid out 10,000 but the funerals cost 13,000. No one has been able to clearly paint her as some kind of 'kept' woman who needed these kids out of her life for her lifestyle. Just talking about it now makes me think she is innocent.
Mental illness. I believe she was suffering from postpartum depression after having her 3rd son. She also contemplated suicide prior to the boys being murdered.
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bumping, I just found out 20/20 did a special highlighting potential new evidence that was never investigated in this case? something that the state of texas is blocking?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/da...abc/vi-AAAZexw
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bumping, I just found out 20/20 did a special highlighting potential new evidence that was never investigated in this case? something that the state of texas is blocking?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/da...abc/vi-AAAZexw
Thanks for posting this, DALLASTEXAN! I wasn't aware of this episode but I just watched it on the ABC website.

The evidence that the state is blocking has to do with a fingerprint found in blood at the crime scene and a few other forensic items. I think that finger print is most likely from a cop or paramedic who treated them during the confusion of that incident. I think it would be really odd for an intruder to leave one single fingerprint and no others. The defense wants further testing on it but the state is blocking it.

To me the strongest evidence of her guilt has always been the residue from the window screen that was found on the knife in the butcher block. The defense tried to say it was from cross contamination during fingerprint dusting. I don't know whether that's possible or not, but it is awfully convenient. The only place this screen residue was found just happened to be on a knife in the butcher block but it wasn't used to cut the screen? I just can't buy that.

The defense seems to be throwing whatever they can out to explain away that which cannot be explained. At one time, they said that clearly Darlie's stab wounds were defensive wounds as she fought off her attacker. Later, when asked why she didn't wake up during the attack, they said she was rendered unconscious by an anesthetic on the sock. You can't have it both ways -- she was either incapacitated or she was awake and fighting back. They also said this was most likely a burglary gone wrong. Uhh... ok. Someone breaks in the house to rob it, then sees a mom and two tiny kids sleeping in the living room, and then decides to grab a knife out of the butcher block and brutally hack them to death? That is completely non-sensical.

I think the person who looked the worst in that whole show was Darin. He later signed an affidavit stating he was trying to hire someone to stage a burglary in their house to get insurance money. He blew off by saying "I was just doing it to help Darlie. I'd do anything to help her." He said he divorced her because it was just to painful to stay married. I get having a wife on death row would be hard, but if he really loved her as much as he claims wouldn't he stick by her? The more I hear from or about Darin, the more I wonder just what his role was in this whole thing.

It's funny to me how many similarities there are between this case and the JonBenet Ramsey case. We have two families who supposedly love their children and are good parents. In both, a child is killed in the home quite brutally and there is signs of staging, with no direct evidence of an intruder. In both cases, it is assumed one or more of the parents are guilty but many people rush to their defense. At least in Darlie's case, there is pretty good physical evidence that this was staged.

While I still can't fathom a parent doing this to their children, I think the evidence in this case is very strong that she did this.
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Thanks for posting this, DALLASTEXAN! I wasn't aware of this episode but I just watched it on the ABC website.

The evidence that the state is blocking has to do with a fingerprint found in blood at the crime scene and a few other forensic items. I think that finger print is most likely from a cop or paramedic who treated them during the confusion of that incident. I think it would be really odd for an intruder to leave one single fingerprint and no others. The defense wants further testing on it but the state is blocking it.

To me the strongest evidence of her guilt has always been the residue from the window screen that was found on the knife in the butcher block. The defense tried to say it was from cross contamination during fingerprint dusting. I don't know whether that's possible or not, but it is awfully convenient. The only place this screen residue was found just happened to be on a knife in the butcher block but it wasn't used to cut the screen? I just can't buy that.

The defense seems to be throwing whatever they can out to explain away that which cannot be explained. At one time, they said that clearly Darlie's stab wounds were defensive wounds as she fought off her attacker. Later, when asked why she didn't wake up during the attack, they said she was rendered unconscious by an anesthetic on the sock. You can't have it both ways -- she was either incapacitated or she was awake and fighting back. They also said this was most likely a burglary gone wrong. Uhh... ok. Someone breaks in the house to rob it, then sees a mom and two tiny kids sleeping in the living room, and then decides to grab a knife out of the butcher block and brutally hack them to death? That is completely non-sensical.

I think the person who looked the worst in that whole show was Darin. He later signed an affidavit stating he was trying to hire someone to stage a burglary in their house to get insurance money. He blew off by saying "I was just doing it to help Darlie. I'd do anything to help her." He said he divorced her because it was just to painful to stay married. I get having a wife on death row would be hard, but if he really loved her as much as he claims wouldn't he stick by her? The more I hear from or about Darin, the more I wonder just what his role was in this whole thing.

It's funny to me how many similarities there are between this case and the JonBenet Ramsey case. We have two families who supposedly love their children and are good parents. In both, a child is killed in the home quite brutally and there is signs of staging, with no direct evidence of an intruder. In both cases, it is assumed one or more of the parents are guilty but many people rush to their defense. At least in Darlie's case, there is pretty good physical evidence that this was staged.

While I still can't fathom a parent doing this to their children, I think the evidence in this case is very strong that she did this.
I think that is one of the issues with this case. the crime scene was chaotic and who knows what was compromised by the first responders. It would be bad for darlie if that fingerprint got tested and came back to a first responder.

I did watch at least part of the special. and IIRC it did seem like they left off other aspects of the forensic evidence that were more incriminating for darlie. I did not know about a suspicious car that was seen at her residence on 2 occasions and called in by a neighbour.

I too can't believe that a parent would do that to a child. I want to believe that she did not do this...

the aspects that always bothered me were how beat up that she was and that the public turned on her over the birthday party at the cemetery. the inner wannabe lawyer in me feels like she may have not gotten a fair trial because of that video.
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I did not know about a suspicious car that was seen at her residence on 2 occasions and called in by a neighbour.
I think this is a giant red herring. About once every other week, there is a "suspicious car" in our neighborhood (we live on a quiet street and my neighbors can be a bit nosy ). They always turn out to be nothing. I think this was just reverse engineering by the neighbor looking for an intruder.

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the aspects that always bothered me were how beat up that she was and that the public turned on her over the birthday party at the cemetery. the inner wannabe lawyer in me feels like she may have not gotten a fair trial because of that video.
I do think the bruising on her arm was odd. At first they tried to say that was a sign of defensive wounds, but when she says she slept through it and didn't notice until her son woke her up, I just can't buy it. The only thing I can think of is that she just went on a rage on her kids and bruised her arms in the process. But I will admit, her injuries are a bit odd when I try to put a timeline together.

I totally agree on the silly string video. As a parent, I find it very wrong that she is so excited in that video. I get they wanted to have a party at the cemetery (which is weird in its own way) but she seemed really gleeful. That said, we all grieve differently and she might have even been on medication -- who knows. I think testimony on her life was relevant because that goes to motive, but the silly string video should not have been shown as it was really prejudicial. It seems like many jurors really zeroed in on that, too. So while I think her behavior at the cemetery was weird, it wasn't fair to show at trial.

But the other forensic evidence leaves no doubt that this was an inside job with Darlie being the perpetrator.
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I think this is a giant red herring. About once every other week, there is a "suspicious car" in our neighborhood (we live on a quiet street and my neighbors can be a bit nosy ). They always turn out to be nothing. I think this was just reverse engineering by the neighbor looking for an intruder.



I do think the bruising on her arm was odd. At first they tried to say that was a sign of defensive wounds, but when she says she slept through it and didn't notice until her son woke her up, I just can't buy it. The only thing I can think of is that she just went on a rage on her kids and bruised her arms in the process. But I will admit, her injuries are a bit odd when I try to put a timeline together.

I totally agree on the silly string video. As a parent, I find it very wrong that she is so excited in that video. I get they wanted to have a party at the cemetery (which is weird in its own way) but she seemed really gleeful. That said, we all grieve differently and she might have even been on medication -- who knows. I think testimony on her life was relevant because that goes to motive, but the silly string video should not have been shown as it was really prejudicial. It seems like many jurors really zeroed in on that, too. So while I think her behavior at the cemetery was weird, it wasn't fair to show at trial.

But the other forensic evidence leaves no doubt that this was an inside job with Darlie being the perpetrator.
The vehicle might indeed be a red herring. I would contest that if a person feels the need to call police to report a suspicious vehicle then it should be followed up at the least. That’s their job. And maybe it was.

For the video and birthday celebration. I find it odd and in hindsight if I’m darlie’s lawyer I’m asking her why did you do that? if you just watch the video it can be misread out of context just like any other video that has ever been made. Things are not always what they appear.

I still go back to the forensic files segment I watched. If that production is bona fide, then I will always conclude that there was enough evidence to secure a conviction. Because of the injuries to darlie and the sock, I think a great lawyer could have prevented her from going to jail by relentlessly defending her. I want to believe she is innocent but the evidence points to her.
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