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Old 11-18-2016, 06:24 PM   #31
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I like Sophia alright, but in the later years they wrote her "too obvious", like they were trying to point out how funny she is, and that just backfires with me when I watch those episodes.

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Blanche once even wanted to be called "the slut"
Yet she is greatly insulted when Dorothy calls her one in an early season one episode; this is just one of the several reasons I don't consider seasons 5-7 GG canon. There are too many changes and inconsistencies with the characters' behaviors and dialogue (all the inconsistencies of their families during all 7 years notwithstanding, lol).

Rose having 56 boyfriends? Nope, not in my GG universe. Again, writing I majorly disagree with in those later seasons...


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Agreed. Sophia was just as nasty in the flashbacks and recollections.
I never got that impression. From what I recall she certainly never said anything as stinging as her car covers comment.
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Old 11-19-2016, 03:18 PM   #32
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I don't know that young Sophia would hurl insults at strangers like she did after her stroke, but the way she treated her husband certainly would imply she was never exactly a sweet-natured person.

My Dad was Italian. I certainly don't remember my mom ever calling him a "dumb boccigalupe" or throwing bread at him. She also had a history of calling her son-in-law names (Yutz), long before his infidelity was revealed and before she had the stroke.

Any way you slice it, Sophia was, at best, a smart mouth and a spit fire throughout her life.
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Old 11-20-2016, 04:12 AM   #33
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Sophia and Estelle Getty was the best character on the show. Ma ruled! The Golden Girls should have been named "The Estelle Getty Show".
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Saying things completely off-the-cuff was part of Sophia's "charm". Sometimes, she definitely crossed the line into cruelty, such as when she pretended to channel Rose's dead husband Charlie. She certainly could be cruel to Dorothy, but equally cruel to Rose and Blanche, as well as total strangers!
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At she was honest.
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:49 AM   #36
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@king of comedy

(I'm going to assume you meant "At least she was honest")

An interesting comment. We all see things differently in life, based on our life experience, and our personality, I guess.

Personally, I'm not one of those people who believes "brutal honesty" is the only way to go. Blurting out whatever crosses your mind may be cathartic for the person doing it, but it certainly can inflict a lot of pain on the people on the receiving end. I prefer more civilized, socially conscious behavior.

Hopefully, people laughed at Sophia because of how outrageous her comments were, but kept in mind that they were only watching a sit-com.

The reason I take this more seriously than some might, is because I've observed people mimicking behavior they've seen on TV all the time. It does shape real-life behavior, whether we like to admit it or not. Especially in young people.

Remember when we started to see so many young women tattooing themselves all over? Direct cause and effect from the TV shows "Miami Ink" and "LA Ink". The need to have manicures done professionally instead of just polishing your own nails? Came directly as a result of seeing so many rich women on TV act like it was a necessity, and not a luxury. And the need to constantly snipe at the people you love instead of speaking with respect is a staple in television.

Sorry for prattling on so long, but hopefully you get my concern.
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:52 PM   #37
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I did assume to say At least. Don't forget there were other characters like Sophia like Carla from whom I hate so much.
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Sophia "is just a mean old lady like the paperboy said."
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Don't forget there were other characters like Sophia like Carla from whom I hate so much.
Ain't it the truth! I have always really liked Rhea Perlman, but her character Carla on Cheers was a despicable human being. I don't think she was ever nice to anyone except Sam, and that's because she had a crush on him.
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I'm not sure I'd like to live with her. She has a sharp and sometimes quite nasty tongue. Plus she can be prone to very bad and potentially financially disastrous judgment and she really is quite cruel sometimes in the way she takes advantage of Rose's naivety

But within the context of the show, she helped make it so entertaining for me. Her one-liners and jibes at the expense of the other girls can reduce me to hysterics. Her contribution to the show was, for the most part, priceless. She did rub me the wrong way once or twice -such as when she pretended to be the spirit of Rose's husband for instance. But otherwise she is a key part for me of why the show is so good and it would be -in my view -much poorer for not having her in it
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