What do you believe happened to the following people?

[Thiussat]

Originally Posted by LaurierCrimmajor

Amy Bechtel: However with that said, I really don’t like it when loved ones refuse polygraphs, going against the most common drive of recusing themselves as potential suspects to allow law enforcement to forge onward with their investigation. It’s completely in his rights, but comes off as difficult and thus, raises an eyebrow or two.

He did the right thing. Go read the studies on polygraphs -- they are highly inaccurate. This is why they are not admissable in court in almost every state.

[Steve_uk]

Re:Jodie Huisentruit Again we don't have a great deal of information on this abduction. It's strange that she should oversleep on the morning in question,though I did read somewhere that although unusual it had happened before with colleagues at the television station where she worked. Of course if the perpetrator was waiting outside for her this would have set him on edge and maybe when she did come out of her apartment he hit her a little harder than he had intended. In this regard may I mention Anthony Zappa who is a good suspect as he abducted a girl Anne Sluti in a similar manner in 2001. Another good suspect is recently divorced John VanSice who named his boat Jodi suggesting a possible obsession with her and was the last person to see her alive.Had Jodi broken off their friendship that previous evening?There's also the matter of the palm print which may have been left on her vehicle(I'm not sure exactly where this was found and how good quality it was,as it might rule out Zappa,or did he have an accomplice)?

As for the Jill Dando analogy,Barry George's conviction for the murder was overturned after eight years. Unlikely as it may seem there is talk of a Serbian hitman involved in that case-it's an interesting read if you have time to spare.Another British case involving Joanne Yeats shows that mistakes can easily be made. Statistically murders are not the complicated matters that authors like to make out,and from what I've been reading there's a fair share of sensationalizing in the Huisentruit case with different personalities wishing to sell their books. If the motive was personal this would tend to favour the involvement of VanSice,if a random abduction and killing then Zappa is more likely your man.

[Thiussat]

Jodi Huisentruit -- I think it's a pretty simple case. She was murdered by an obsessed fan. He has just been lucky thus far in avoiding capture. The Police said they did a thorough check of ex boyfriends and all were cleared.

Angela Hammond -- The story from the boyfriend has some holes, but it's hard to pin it on him. Sometimes unlikely things do happen. We know there was at least one serial killer operating in that area at the time, so her death could be one of those 1 in a million random abductions.

Kristi Krebs -- Without a doubt in my mind Kristi was suffering from Bi-Polar type I disorder, possibly with psychotic symptoms. I know Bi-polar people and her symptoms fit classic mania to a "t." People who are manic can stay up for days, have boundless energy, often have a sense of inflated self-worth (feel they are God), sometimes have delusions (people are in love with them), often go on wild spending sprees, etc. Read Patty Duke's account of her own bouts with it. The biggest tragedy with this story is that even the medical doctors in the hospital did not recognize it as a mental illness. It took them 4 times to even diagnose her with "psychotic symptoms due to trauma" which is not an official diagnosis. Her energy and mood swings are indicative of classic mania. No doubt about it.

Amy Bechtel -- Hard to say. The husband was somewhat suspicious and I don't hold it against him that he refused a polygraph (highly inaccurate instruments). I also do not put much stock in his journals. I think all of us at times have had "dark thoughts" but it doesn't mean we want to kill anyone. But a husband is almost always the culprit in a case like this, so I can't rule him out completely. Dale Eaton was a serial killer working in the area at the time and she could have been one of his victims. There's no evidence to say either way.

Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman -- Probably abducted from the scene, raped and murdered. I find it suspicious they weren't killed in the fire, but I find it unlikely they have been on the run this long without turning up.

Amy Bradley -- Lots of info about this case since UM aired. Natalie Holloway's mother did a segment on this case in recent years. I recommend watching it if you haven't.

Cynthia Anderson -- We now know that the painting on the wall outside her office had nothing to do with the case. A poster on these very forums came forward and said her boyfriend posted that message for her and she hadn't known all these years that it was connected to UM. I believe she contacted the Police about it. In any case, the best theory I have seen is that one of her law office's clients killed her (a major drug dealer who thought she knew too much). However, I don't know why he would care so much about her, nor do I know how she would even have any info on him (attorneys are careful about confidentiality).

Charlotte Pollis -- Murdered by her husband. No doubt about it.

Christi Jo Nichols -- Murdered by her husband, no doubt about this one either.

Judith Hymes -- She's still alive and living in Omaha.

[Steve W.]

"Angela Hammond -- The story from the boyfriend has some holes, but it's hard to pin it on him. Sometimes unlikely things do happen. We know there was at least one serial killer operating in that area at the time, so her death could be one of those 1 in a million random abductions."

I know there's a very long thread on this, but my intuition is that the story seems too well put-together (movie-like would be my way of describing it) to be true. There are some people in the world that have the ability to lie very well and be/look very convincing while doing it: I think Rob Shafer is one of those people.

I think something went down a little earlier in the night in question between Rob and Angela that led to Angela dying.

[WishfulDreamer]

Jodi Huisentruit- An obsessed fan probably knew she had to leave her apartment early for the morning broadcasts. So he waited in the van for her to come out and when she did he made his move. That's why her belongings were scattered in the parking lot. I think she was probably held captive for a time, then sadly murdered.
Angela Hammond- The man with the decal on his truck probably assaulted and murdered her after not too long, even though she was pregnant : (
Kristi Krebs- Nervous breakdown that probably put her in an even more vulnerable position. I think foul play could have occurred because of her wandering around and hitchhiking.
Leah Roberts- I think that foul play caught up to her. I believe she would have been found if she'd just wandered off. She may have crashed then taken her cat and walked off, but I fear someone caught up to her.
Wil Hendrick- I think he was killed by the guys at the party. Liquor and being alone may have made him more vulnerable. It could have been a hate crime or just a plain argument continued from the party.
Amy Bechtel- I think someone (possibly the Lil Miss Killer, as is a theory) kidnapped and murdered her. No way did she run off.
Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman- Sadly abducted and murdered by whoever killed the Freemans.
Amy Bradley- I think she may have been thrown overboard after being accosted. Even if drinking, I don't think she would have gone near the rail if deathly afraid of it. When I drink, I still remember my fears. Also, she was apparently not drinking around the time she'd gotten up to go smoke or whatnot so I don't think she was fooling around near the edge after most of the liquor was out of her system.
Jeremy Bright- Killed by the thugs, probably in the shooting incident because of the blood on the suspect's shirt.
Tara Breckenridge- I actually don't I believe it's Wayne Hecker. He may have come off as arrogant, but I think someone else may have gotten to her. I don't believe he had enough time to take her and hide her so she's never been found to this day.

[1990 UM fan]

Originally Posted by Thiussat

Judith Hymes -- She's still alive and living in Omaha.

really?

[ZanzibarBlue]

I was watching the Angela Hammond episode on, how shall I put this, a popular site for video uploads. In the second part of the segment, I noticed that someone named "Lester Manio" made a comment about 2 months ago that he had seen her in Cuba. There was no further information. Given the circumstances of her disappearance, I'm sure that Lester was having a go, but what an odd remark to make.

[1990 UM fan]

Originally Posted by ZanzibarBlue

I was watching the Angela Hammond episode on, how shall I put this, a popular site for video uploads. In the second part of the segment, I noticed that someone named "Lester Manio" made a comment about 2 months ago that he had seen her in Cuba. There was no further information. Given the circumstances of her disappearance, I'm sure that Lester was having a go, but what an odd remark to make.

Probably another internet idiot making stupid comments. I seriously think she has been deceased since her abduction and her remains somewhere in the Mid West.

[stackfan]

The letter that Robert Stack received said Judy Hyams died. And Robert Stack never lies.

Pollis clearly died at the hands of the husband. Didn't someone come on this board and try to "defend" him by saying just because he smokes crack a lot doesn't mean he murdered her? That has to be one of the all time great bad-defenses!!

The two girls killed in the fire seem to have been killed by the suspect on the segment. The news articles back that up.

As to the others, i got nothing.

Oh except for the fact that Jule Caylor is a dead ringer for the banjo player in deliverance.

[Steve W.]

"Pollis clearly died at the hands of the husband. Didn't someone come on this board and try to "defend" him by saying just because he smokes crack a lot doesn't mean he murdered her? That has to be one of the all time great bad-defenses!!"

I think it was his lawyer who posted. He was determined to sway the opinions of all the Paul Pollis skeptics on here. mission accomplished

[ctgrumpybear]

Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman-I would to say that they would kidnaped and killed by serial killer Jeremy Brian Jones

[LaurierCrimmajor]

Gimme more names!!!!!

[WishfulDreamer]

How about Audrey Moate? I think that the scary backwoods guy did it for sure. And I think it was a sex crime, unlike what he told his kids about his common law wife doing it. His boot at the crime scene and the scene at the car just says it all. His story about it being in the house is suchhhhhhhh BS.

[MegtheEgg86]

Just speculation here of course.

Jodi Huisentruit: Abducted outside her apartment by someone who had probably been watching her for at least a little while in order to get an idea of her routine. The why of that is anyone's guess, but I think it was it was unfortunately just a random nutjob who developed an obsession with her.

Angela Hammond: Abducted by the man who accosted her at the pay phone. I don't think she lived for very long afterward.

Kristi Krebs: I actually think there is a chance Kristi Krebs might be alive today living as a transient or homeless person. If she isn't still alive, I think it is more likely she became the victim of an accident, died of exposure, or a scenario closer to that than running into a proverbial bad guy.

Leah Roberts: Leah Roberts was seen with a man at a restaurant bar and left with him just before she disappeared. I think he might be responsible for her abduction. I think they either both drove up to Mt Baker together or he was at least aware that this was her ultimate destination, and piloted her vehicle up there himself. I think the blankets-in-the-windows thing is a red herring and that if he is in fact responsible, he staged that entire scene.

Amy Bechtel: Random nutjob looking for a victim of opportunity.

Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman: I have never been able to figure this one out and develop a well-formed opinion.

Amy Bradley: I'm not sure. To be honest, I'm not so uncertain that she really did fall overboard, despite her reported fear of the water.

Jeremy Bright: I'm not sure about that shooting-in-the-water story. I'm more apt to believe the party story with the open bottle of beer. I kind of envision a scenario in which those non-"pillar of society" spike the alcohol with a substance--pills, whatever--as a joke on the naive kid, and it went too far. But that's just an idea.

Tara Breckenridge: I don't think Wayne Hecker is responsible. Not particularly sure who is. It seems to me it's more likely someone at that club is responsible as opposed to a stranger.

Katherine Korzilius: She fell off the van. I have always felt that.

Bryan Nisenfeld: I lean towards suicide. He was extremely despondent in the days leading up to his disappearance. I think he may have committed suicide by jumping into the water. If parts of his body washed ashore shortly after his disappearance, say, the next month or so, I think I could accept foul play more readily. But I think they were sighted around six months afterward. That is plenty of time for his poor body to buttress against obstructions, be fed on by marine animals, and generally decompose. (The only thing that kind of hangs me up is that the water in that region would have had to have been rather cold for some time, and cold water tends to preserve bodies.)

Cynthia Anderson: I think she was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. Through no fault of her own, I think she wound up mixed up in all that nonsense going on at the law office she worked at. I think she was either taken as a hostage of some sort to blackmail one of those attornies into doing something, or killed because it was assumed she "knew too much." I don't know. I am nearly 100% convinced she wouldn't just take off, though.

A.J. Breaux: That poor guy got mixed up with some bad dudes. I don't doubt that at all. I think the sightings with the red car are credible.

Dottie Caylor: I think she took off on her own. I don't think Jule Caylor is responsible.

Anthonette Cayedito: I think someone in that family knows a lot. I don't necessarily think Penny Cayedito orchestrated the event, but I think someone very close to her might have. I do think the phone call to the police was legitimate and that WAS Anthonette on the tape. I don't think the girl at the diner was Anthonette, but good Lord, who was she?!

Leonard Dirickson: I'm still pondering this one. It seems to me there's a greater likelihood that he willfully disappeared than that someone killed him. We were presented a reason why he might have wanted to disappear, but not a reason why someone might have wanted to murder him.

Hugh Harlin: Something bad happened to Hugh, I think. I don't think he killed Diane, either.

Sharon Marshall & Michael Hughes: I don't even want to begin imagining the possibilities on this one, but whatever it is, it is probably really, really not good.

John Cheek: I think John Cheek had a mental break. I think the truck driver sighting is credible. He could still be alive, I think.

Bonnie Haim: Michael Haim.

Charlotte Pollis: Paul Pollis.

Doreen Marfeo: DEFINITELY Stephen Marfeo.

Christi Jo Nichols: DEFINITELY Mark Nichols.

Adam Hecht: I'm 70% sold on the idea of foul play (that may or may not necessarily have been perpetrated by Tony) and 30% on the notion that he simply up and left.

Charles Horvath: I think poor Charles ran into a bad dude. He was so friendly and gregarious and might have been perceived as an easy mark.

Dale Kerstetter: I don't think he was in on anything at the plant. I think he was a victim.

Oliver Munson: Dennis Watson.

Cecilia Newball & Rene Perez Jr.: I know I'm in the minority but I think Alfredo Newball might know more than he's telling. I do not, however, think he was responsible.

Jean Moore: Al Henderson. I perceive him much like I do Judy Groezinger: a bad liar and totally guilty.

Gordon Page Jr.: There is a possibility he could still be alive, I think. There is also a possibility he became a victim of a crime some time after he disappeared. Some badly-intentioned people might have seen him as an easy target.

Pamela Page: Rob Page.

Star Palumbo: Bad dude.

Lisa Bishop: Bad dude that might not have necessarily been Florian.

Justin Burgwinkel: He deserted on his own accord. May or may not have been involved in criminal activity.

Jacqueline Castaneda: Definitely could still be alive and unaware she was abducted as an infant.

Judith Hymes: See letter to the Coral Gables Police Department.